Premature baby not allowed to live under G.B. nationalized health care plan

[Jiro]

wow very misleading...

No, the patient have to name the doctor who did to her or him.

Yes, the name of clinic is no matter either "government" as what you call or private clinic but are still the same because we need to know which "government" or private clinic the doctor work.

There´re private clinic in UK, the people can insure if they have money.

I'm not talking about private clinic. I'm talking about this case where the baby died. It happened at "public" hospital. That's how the legal system works. If you are suing this doctor, you are suing the hospital along with the government. Please have a talk about it with your british friend. I'm sure they will enlighten you with details on how it works when it comes to lawsuit.

Oh yes, I have a very hard understand why you are against Obama´s healthcare reform. I would suggest you to re-read full of Obama´s speech more CAREFULLY. Its about healthcare INSURANCE. He let you choose any insurance company, you like to insure but it MUST be sure that it´s UNLIMITED healthcare coverage. Get it?

so are you telling me that Obama's health care reform is the ONLY ANSWER to our health care problem?

Sorry, I do not understand your question.

Do you believe there is only ONE solution to our health care problem?

 

[Jiro]

Are you sure?

uh yea? I'm pretty damn sure! My brother lived in London for 1 year and he just came back home last week. He said the American way is MUCH better on everything. He is very glad to be back to America but he did enjoy London very much (don't get me wrong - it's just different lifestyle and he prefers the American way. so do I!!).

Me? Thank God, I live in Germany and did not lost everything to medical bill.

neither did I. Our family have had surgeries including me and we still have house You are unfortunately misled.

Can you afford to send your children to private school?

most likely yes. My brother went to private university. so does majority of people in my towns.

Can you afford to insure private healthcare for the family?

yes. I have one for myself. my father had one for us when we were kids. so does majority of people in my towns. so do majority of my married friends.

You would see different if you have a child.

ok but not a problem. All of my married friends are insured. Majority of American families have insurances anyway.

Of course we do have private school, businesses, private clinic, etc here in EU countries... What´s your point?

so tell me - majority of your population goes to where? public or private? in here - majority goes private

Private transportation? How about use public road?

oh I'm supposed to laugh? ha. ha. ha. ha. ha.

Your uneducation and ignorant is accuse Europe countries as Socialize, etc.

Honestly, we have seen many Americans are uneducated over EU countries and Canada since Election 2008 over healthcare, socalisim, etc.

and we have seen many Europeans who are uneducated over American way on many issues

I don't expect them to understand the American way and I don't expect Americans to understand the European way. Agree to disagree, yes?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Can you afford to send your children to private school?

Can you afford to insure private healthcare for the family?

You would see different if you have a child.

Of course we do have private school, businesses, private clinic, etc here in EU countries... What´s your point?

Private transportation? How about use public road?

Your uneducation and ignorant is accuse Europe countries as Socialize, etc.

Honestly, we have seen many Americans are uneducated over EU countries and Canada since Election 2008 over healthcare, socalisim, etc.

I am a Canadian...

Here's the thing. Canadians approve of everything you talk about. However we want them decentralized to a provincial or municipal/county level, or in some cases townships. So yes, we do want our education, our health-care, transit and infrastructure-- but we don't want the FEDERAL government touching them.

It's not that Americans are against socialized ideas, but they are against federal control. And Canadians feel the same way; we may like our system, but we also don't want our federal government having their hands on it.

Also, we also would like the government to stop sponsoring businesses and operating social welfare since we don't see a positive return from the taxes we pay them. Jiro, in the past, expressed that he has no problem supporting the reform-- however he did raise concerns about the reform which he is doing right now in this thread.

So I can understand the concerns that Americans have, even though I may support the health-care reform.

 

[Jiro]

I am a Canadian...

Here's the thing. Canadians approve of everything you talk about. However we want them decentralized to a provincial or municipal/county level, or in some cases townships. So yes, we do want our education, our health-care, transit and infrastructure-- but we don't want the FEDERAL government touching them.

It's not that Americans are against socialized ideas, but they are against federal control. And Canadians feel the same way; we may like our system, but we also don't want our federal government having their hands on it.

Also, we also would like the government to stop sponsoring businesses and operating social welfare since we don't see a positive return from the taxes we pay them. Jiro, in the past, expressed that he has no problem supporting the reform-- however he did raise concerns about the reform which he is doing right now in this thread.

So I can understand the concerns that Americans have, even though I may support the health-care reform.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! You explained it much better than I! I suppose that's why Canadians are treated as our brothers!

*there are 2 pix. first pix is a man clapping. second pix is 2 smilies singing, drinking beers together like good ole' buddies.

 

[Sosie]

Hold on horses, Jiro...


47 (or 48) million American people who are uninsured but you said all your friends who are insured. Really??? Look at my sister and her husband both were laid off from their jobs last spring. They both are uninsured but they have to pay their health insurance co. $800 a month, to keep their health insurance. Not many American people who can afford their health insurance. :roll:

 

[Sosie]

Right, Liebling. A lot of American people think it's socialism but it is NOT!
(I answered your post #280..)

 

[Reba]

...I assume that you don´t bother to read the fact link, I posted yesterday.

You posted a link from Jayden's doctors? I read your other links but I didn't see that one. I went back over your posts and I can't find it.

 

[Reba]

Me? Thank God, I live in Germany and did not lost everything to medical bill.

If you lived in America and still worked for the US military, and your husband still worked for Bosch, you would be eligible for employer provided medical insurance, so I doubt that you would have "lost everything to medical bill."

 

[Jiro]

Hold on horses, Jiro...


47 (or 48) million American people who are uninsured but you said all your friends who are insured. Really??? Look at my sister and her husband both were laid off from their jobs last spring. They both are uninsured but they have to pay their health insurance co. $800 a month, to keep their health insurance. Not many American people who can afford their health insurance. :roll:

well you're talking about only about 16% of Americans who are uninsured so yes more than 70% Americans can afford health insurance. Out of 16%, they probably choose not to have one.

and no I did not say ALL my friends. I said MOST of my married friends.

 

[Jiro]

Right, Liebling. A lot of American people think it's socialism but it is NOT!
(I answered your post #280..)

quite the contrary. a small view considered it as a form of socialism. other viewed it as communism or whatsoever. majority viewed it as A TERRIBLE SOLUTION.

 

[Jiro]

If you lived in America and still worked for the US military, and your husband still worked for Bosch, you would be eligible for employer provided medical insurance, so I doubt that you would have "lost everything to medical bill."

yep. a common misconception... just as bad as others accusing Obama's health reform as socialism.

 

[Lighthouse77]

one bad thing about VA healthcare. My dad had one and he is retired VA. The problem is that he still had a son who is still in high school at the time and a wife. Neither were in the military, of course. But the VA absolutely refuse to cover them. (I'm not sure, but I think they did have an option of healthcare through the VA for the family but they have to pay, I could be wrong though). Anyway, My dad also work as a mechanic for a small company, but he wouldn't sign my mom and the kids up for insurance . He didn't need insurance for himself because he already had one, so I'm not sure if my dad's work insurance would let him have insurance for his family only and not for him. My mom wanted the money instead anyway, so we never had insurance in our life. We rarely went to the doctor either because we seem healthy so she was lucky with all 5 kids. Too bad that VA won't cover because some fathers don't really care about signing up their children.

 

[Lighthouse77]

btw, I don't think people will be able to find jobs like they used to.

Unless we start the green businesses. People are not buying like they used to out of fear of global warming. And people are not using credit cards either like we used to (the sugar high spending due to credit cards have crashed) so it will be a long time for people to be able to have access to health insurance again.

 

[Lighthouse77]

also, I've heard that some parents can't put their children in their healthcare if they don't live with them. I think that part should be fix. Children should have the rights to be on either parents' healthcare rather they live with them or not.

 

[Reba]

one bad thing about VA healthcare. My dad had one and he is retired VA. The problem is that he still had a son who is still in high school at the time and a wife. Neither were in the military, of course. But the VA absolutely refuse to cover them. (I'm not sure, but I think they did have an option of healthcare through the VA for the family but they have to pay, I could be wrong though). Anyway, My dad also work as a mechanic for a small company, but he wouldn't sign my mom and the kids up for insurance . He didn't need insurance for himself because he already had one, so I'm not sure if my dad's work insurance would let him have insurance for his family only and not for him. My mom wanted the money instead anyway, so we never had insurance in our life. We rarely went to the doctor either because we seem healthy so she was lucky with all 5 kids. Too bad that VA won't cover because some fathers don't really care about signing up their children.

VA doesn't cover spouses and children because they aren't veterans.

Active duty and retired military families can get Tricare coverage. It does require payments, deductibles, and co-pays, like any other medical insurance, although usually at a cheaper rate.

If your dad didn't want Tricare or employer provided insurance, that was his choice. No one can be forced to get insurance . . . yet.

 

[dreama]

I could not believe this doctor. Doctor gave my neice steriod and progrestine hormone when she was 22 weeks pregnant to help her baby in case if she was born, it was last Judy and now we have a little girl who was born last weekend. We are truly blessed to have her and now this whole bs on this thread from others who agree with this doctor. I consider this doctor a monster.

Me too.

The part that I find truely chilling is the way people here condone this act. Why would ANYONE condone this act.

I've read the rule book and the doctor even breaks that since this baby should have been given paltry care. They should have made him comfortable at least, but they wouldn't even see him at all. That's the inexcusable part.

It makes me wonder if I get knocked down by a bus tommorrow and the doctors just leave me lying there. Will that be condoned too?

 

[jazzy]

well you're talking about only about 16% of Americans who are uninsured so yes more than 70% Americans can afford health insurance. Out of 16%, they probably choose not to have one.

and no I did not say ALL my friends. I said MOST of my married friends.

You do not know what your talking about till you in their shoes. I went thru so I do know what it is alike about not having health insurance. If we pay one day late, the insurance cancel on us. It happened to us, also we have to put large down then keep up pay on time monthly unless your business is slow and not able topay then insurnace cancel on you. I happen know alot of people who do not have health insurance, include my son, he has a full time job and his boss can not afford to pay health insurance cuz he has to pay workcomp and taxes etc.... Jobs nowdays are becoming sacred and hard to get by. 16 percents of Americans are unisnured? I do not think so. More than that I believe.

 

[Jiro]

You do not know what your talking about till you in their shoes. I went thru so I do know what it is alike about not having health insurance. If we pay one day late, the insurance cancel on us. It happened to us, also we have to put large down then keep up pay on time monthly unless your business is slow and not able topay then insurnace cancel on you. I happen know alot of people who do not have health insurance, include my son, he has a full time job and his boss can not afford to pay health insurance cuz he has to pay workcomp and taxes etc.... Jobs nowdays are becoming sacred and hard to get by. 16 percents of Americans are unisnured? I do not think so. More than that I believe.

Been there, done that. we were not always insured for the whole time. If you do not think it's 16% or around... you'll have to dispute that with U.S. Census and several other agencies

 

[jazzy]

Me too.

The part that I find truely chilling is the way people here condone this act. Why would ANYONE condone this act.

I've read the rule book and the doctor even breaks that since this baby should have been given paltry care. They should have made him comfortable at least, but they wouldn't even see him at all. That's the inexcusable part.

It makes me wonder if I get knocked down by a bus tommorrow and the doctors just leave me lying there. Will that be condoned too?

I have no idea why would anyone want to condone this nor I understand them. I hope it will never happen to anyone else. Someone told me once, her friend who lived in England was pregnant with deaf baby and the doctor there asked her if she wanted to abort her child cuz the baby was deaf. I was alike "what!" It is same with some doctors here in America. I know one doctor pressured my future daughter in law's sister who is 8 months pregnant now with down syndrome baby. He gave her all negative and tell her that child will die once he is born then tell her the child will not live past 5 and so on and so on. Then tell her this child will never talk cuz of how severly ds he has. He pressured her to get abort her child. I am glad she decided to keep him. Some doctors are good but unfortunely we get sometime bad doctors.

 

[jazzy]

Been there, done that. we were not always insured for the whole time. If you do not think it's 16% or around... you'll have to dispute that with U.S. Census and several other agencies

I see with my own eyes on the streets. US census is not 100 percent accurate. I have seen enough and 16 percent is just guessing.