Premature baby not allowed to live under G.B. nationalized health care plan

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yes it does matter. Your link has NOTHING to do with this issue. not even close. It's COMPLETELY UNRELATED to this topic. It is unfortunate that British doctors do it but American doctors do not. You know why? MALPRACTICE LAWSUIT.

Interesting point.

How does the legal system work in Britain as far as the health care go? I know Canada can sue their own doctors here.
 
This is what bothers me. He was considered a miscarriage before he was even born, and the doctors had given up on him before he even had a chance.

"...When Sarah went into labour the following Thursday, she was not surprised: she had spent months reading up on her condition, so she fully understood the risk of premature birth and how midwives would manage it.

But when she asked for the baby to be given steroids to strengthen his lungs before birth, the doctors broke the news that they would not be giving him any care because he was classed as a miscarriage.

'I couldn't believe what I was hearing,' says Sarah. 'I asked to be transferred to another hospital and they said that no hospital in the country would help. I felt so powerless; I wanted to get up and walk out but I couldn't move from my bed.

'The paediatricians kept telling me to consider that he'd probably be stillborn and even if he was alive he'd not be properly developed and would be badly disabled. I said I understood the risks and I still wanted them to treat him, but they refused.

'I said "If he's born alive you have to help him," but the doctor just replied "No, we don't. He isn't a baby - until 22 weeks he's a foetus. So we don't have to help."

Then he closed his folder and they all walked out of the room. 'I felt like I was banging my head against a brick wall. Nobody cared for the welfare of my child.'"


Also, how do we know if the doctors were exact about the number of days short of the 23 weeks' limit?

"...Sarah assumed that since her son was breathing and moving, doctors would now help him - clearly he couldn't be considered a miscarried foetus. And he was large for his gestation, measuring 28 cm, the size of a 23-week-old...."

:hmm:

I could not believe this doctor. Doctor gave my neice steriod and progrestine hormone when she was 22 weeks pregnant to help her baby in case if she was born, it was last Judy and now we have a little girl who was born last weekend. We are truly blessed to have her and now this whole bs on this thread from others who agree with this doctor. I consider this doctor a monster.
 
Interesting point.

How does the legal system work in Britain as far as the health care go? I know Canada can sue their own doctors here.

Of course they do file lawsuit against doctors for their wrong doing in Europe countries including UK.

This woman CAN file a lawsuit against doctor if she think the doctor murder her baby.
 
Interesting point.

How does the legal system work in Britain as far as the health care go? I know Canada can sue their own doctors here.

not my problem. All I need to know is that our health care and standard exceeds British health care. When you're suing the hospital in UK - you are suing the government. good luck trying to win the case against government.
 
Of course they do file lawsuit against doctors for their wrong doing in Europe countries including UK.

This woman CAN file a lawsuit against doctor if she think the doctor murder her baby.

so where's the lawsuit? haven't heard any from this unfortunate case.
 
yes it does matter. Your link has NOTHING to do with this issue. not even close. It's COMPLETELY UNRELATED to this topic. It is unfortunate that British doctors do it but American doctors do not. You know why? MALPRACTICE LAWSUIT.

My previous posts remain unchanged.

Oh yes every doctor have its decision.

Oh yes every doctor´s job to save patient life... If not, then they are murder.

Do you think that US is only one who have malpractice lawsuit? Oh no...

Oh yes every EU countries do have as well if the patient feel what their doctors doing wrong.
 
My previous posts remain unchanged.

Oh yes every doctor have its decision.

Oh yes every doctor´s job to save patient life... If not, then they are murder.

Do you think that US is only one who have malpractice lawsuit? Oh no...

Oh yes every EU countries do have as well if the patient feel what their doctors doing wrong.

so.... why did this baby die? where's the malpractice lawsuit?
 
so where's the lawsuit? haven't heard any from this unfortunate case.

Why can´t this woman do that?

My British friends & I want to see both side IF this woman file a lawsuit against doctor for "murder" her baby (as what she accused the doctor) but she didn´t but get unreliable media to spread out her heartbreaking story which make no sense.

Of course theré´re lawsuit against doctors in Europe country for doctor´s wrong doing. It could be that EU doctors doing carefully than US doctors that´s why we have low lawsuit than US... :dunno:




paranoid? um.... we're firmly against that kind of system. what part of American concept do you not understand?

wow, I´m really feel sorry for you...
 
Are you paraniod of socialism?

There's a difference between left-liberal and socialism. Every North Americans have the right to be paranoid of socialism.

A completely socialized health-care would be a flop, even in Canada. We like the idea of a safety net and being able to use our own services as long we have a direct say in how the government is spending money. Even in Canada, we don't want a centralized healthcare like the Soviet Union or Cuba. We are even wary when government set up social programs (ie. welfare) because we know that the general public can't use them.

So... socialism is kinda something everyone on this side of the Atlantic is standing up against.
 
Why can´t this woman do that?

My British friends & I want to see both side IF this woman file a lawsuit against doctor for "murder" her baby (as what she accused the doctor) but she didn´t but get unreliable media to spread out her heartbreaking story which make no sense.

Of course theré´re lawsuit against doctors in Europe country for doctor´s wrong doing. It could be that EU doctors doing carefully than US doctors that´s why we have low lawsuit than US... :dunno:
let me answer that for you. It's because it's too costly and nearly impossible to win against GOVERNMENT. :)

My friend's family gave up costly and lengthy lawsuit against government-run hospital in China. Their twin daughter died at birth due to doctor's mistake but then... that's what the family felt and the doctors said otherwise.

wow, I´m really feel sorry for you...
Answer my simple question with YES or NO. Do you agree that there are more than 1 solution for this health care problem?
 
let me answer that for you. It's because it's too costly and nearly impossible to win against GOVERNMENT. :)

My friend's family gave up costly and lengthy lawsuit against government-run hospital in China. Their twin daughter died at birth due to doctor's mistake but then... that's what the family felt and the doctors said otherwise.


Sue Government, not doctor? :lol: It´s doctor, not Government...

Don´t forget that I was born and raise in England and live in Germany for over 24 years.

We CAN file lawsuit against any doctors who did to us, not Government. The doctor lost their liescne if we win at case against them.

If the people who have no money for lawsuit against anything including doctor then go to legal adviser. They need to look at reliable and proof first before do something.


Answer my simple question with YES or NO. Do you agree that there are more than 1 solution for this health care problem?

My first question remain unchanged. I really have no idea why should I answer the quesiton because it´s nothing, you tried to change from my first question. Please go back and stick my question.
 
There's a difference between left-liberal and socialism. Every North Americans have the right to be paranoid of socialism.

A completely socialized health-care would be a flop, even in Canada. We like the idea of a safety net and being able to use our own services as long we have a direct say in how the government is spending money. Even in Canada, we don't want a centralized healthcare like the Soviet Union or Cuba. We are even wary when government set up social programs (ie. welfare) because we know that the general public can't use them.

So... socialism is kinda something everyone on this side of the Atlantic is standing up against.

I would like to remind you that socialism and communist are not same.

I really see nothing wrong with socialism... :dunno:

How about public road, transport, public school, medicare, medicaid, tricare, etc in the USA?
 
Sue Government, not doctor? :lol: It´s doctor, not Government...

Don´t forget that I was born and raise in England and live in Germany for over 24 years.

We CAN file lawsuit against any doctors who did to us, not Government. The doctor lost their liescne if we win at case against them.

If the people who have no money for lawsuit against anything including doctor then go to legal adviser. They need to look at reliable and proof first before do something.
You are not suing just one doctor. If you are suing against the doctor, you are suing against the ENTIRE hospital because the doctor is EMPLOYED by that hospital who is EMPLOYED by the government. In short - to sue the doctor, you are suing against the government. The government (or hospital) will send in their TEAM of legal advisers. GOOD LUCK WINNING THE CASE AGAINST THEM!!!

unless - the doctor has his own private practice so yes you are suing this ONE doctor but.... in UK? private care is uncommon, I believe.

My first question remain unchanged. I really have no idea why should I answer the quesiton because it´s nothing, you tried to change from my first question. Please go back and stick my question.
huh? Tried to change from your first question? You keep saying you do not understand why we are very opposed to Obama's health care reform. So I'm helping you to understand our concern so I'm asking you a very simple question.

Once again, I'm asking you a very simple question - YES or NO. Do you agree that there are more than 1 solution for this health care problem?
 
I would like to remind you that socialism and communist are not same.

I really see nothing wrong with socialism... :dunno:
and I see nothing wrong with American way :)

Do you?

How about public road, transport, public school, medicare, medicaid, tricare, etc in the USA?
what about it? we have private schools, private transportation, private insurances, private security, private hospitals, private businesses, private etc. etc. etc. :)

Do you realize that you're asking a wrong question? Do you realize that when you ask us that question, you just clearly demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of capitalism and socialism?
 
I would like to remind you that socialism and communist are not same.

Extreme example of government-controlled economy. It's considered as an authoritarian form of socialism. Sweden is considered as a democratic form of socialism in political textbooks.

I really see nothing wrong with socialism... :dunno:

How about public road, transport, public school, medicare, medicaid, tricare, etc in the USA?

Not a socialist economy. What we don't want is a socialist economy. Public goods and government-controlled programs are completely different. Maybe take a look at what socialism actually is?
 
You are not suing just one doctor. If you are suing against the doctor, you are suing against the ENTIRE hospital because the doctor is EMPLOYED by that hospital who is EMPLOYED by the government. In short - to sue the doctor, you are suing against the government. The government (or hospital) will send in their TEAM of legal advisers. GOOD LUCK WINNING THE CASE AGAINST THEM!!!

unless - the doctor has his own private practice so yes you are suing this ONE doctor but.... in UK? private care is uncommon, I believe.

wow very misleading...

No, the patient have to name the doctor who did to her or him.

Yes, the name of clinic is no matter either "government" as what you call or private clinic but are still the same because we need to know which "government" or private clinic the doctor work.

There´re private clinic in UK, the people can insure if they have money.


huh? Tried to change from your first question? You keep saying you do not understand why we are very opposed to Obama's health care reform. So I'm helping you to understand our concern so I'm asking you a very simple question.

Oh yes, I have a very hard understand why you are against Obama´s healthcare reform. I would suggest you to re-read full of Obama´s speech more CAREFULLY. Its about healthcare INSURANCE. He let you choose any insurance company, you like to insure but it MUST be sure that it´s UNLIMITED healthcare coverage. Get it?


Once again, I'm asking you a very simple question - YES or NO. Do you agree that there are more than 1 solution for this health care problem?

Sorry, I do not understand your question.
 
and I see nothing wrong with American way :)

Are you sure?


Me? Thank God, I live in Germany and did not lost everything to medical bill.

what about it? we have private schools, private transportation, private insurances, private security, private hospitals, private businesses, private etc. etc. etc. :)

Do you realize that you're asking a wrong question? Do you realize that when you ask us that question, you just clearly demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of capitalism and socialism?


Can you afford to send your children to private school?

Can you afford to insure private healthcare for the family?

You would see different if you have a child.

Of course we do have private school, businesses, private clinic, etc here in EU countries... What´s your point?

Private transportation? How about use public road? :giggle:

Your uneducation and ignorant is accuse Europe countries as Socialize, etc.

Honestly, we have seen many Americans are uneducated over EU countries and Canada since Election 2008 over healthcare, socalisim, etc.
 
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