Polygamy

jillio said:
Biologists, sociologists, psychologists, anthropoligists. That would be my source.
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Not very specific but I know that's as good as I'll get, so that's OK.
 
jillio said:
...The belief that man is not intended to be monogamous is based on biological data, sociological data, psychological data, anthropolgical data, and history of man's behavior.
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"Intended?" Intended by whom?
 
Aleser said:
See the word "not" before "intended". It may provide some clarification on the issue. :popcorn:
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Of course I do. OK, for your clarification, who did NOT intend for man to be monogamous? Who intended for man to NOT be monogamous?
 
Reba said:
Of course I do. OK, for your clarification, who did NOT intend for man to be monogamous? Who intended for man to NOT be monogamous?
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See the word "not", forget about notions of a creator for just a minute, and think REALLY REALLY REALLY hard for me.

What could "not intended" mean? Could it mean without intent?

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Aleser said:
See the word "not", forget about notions of a creator for just a minute, and think REALLY REALLY REALLY hard for me.

What could "not intended" mean? Could it mean without intent?

:laugh2:
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If that's the way you want to see it, then man is also not intended to be polygamous either.
 
KStiletto said:
All I have to say on that is if I were in a dating type of lifestyle, no ties to one person, then who cares. I do think if a man/woman finds that INCREDIBLE person, the person they don't want to let go, I don't think they would be okay knowing that the person is out and about with every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

There are some people who don't believe there is one person that can satisfy their needs, and that's fine for them, but do believe some do get jealous. It's been seen. The man with a wife, and a girlfriend, but don't want the girlfriend to leave or do her own thing. Wants to keep the side chick all to himself.

The solution is just to stay single. When you're single you can do whatever the heck you want.
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Perhaps that is true with you.

But my experience has been that jealousy manifests itself early. Often before the first date. I have, all my life, had women friends I greet with a hug and a kiss. I've received jealousy reactions from women whose names I did not yet know, who were thinking of dating me in the future -- Get angry because I kissed another woman.

Some women, (Yes, I'm certain men are this way also) feel that the very discussion of a future date gives them ownership rights.

As for the bolded part. I remember a couple who selected her lovers together because he liked to watch them. You might say their relationship was incredible -- Both to them and to everyone else.
 
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Reba said:
I didn't mention being against arranged marriages. That's not the same as polygamy. I think that could be a new topic. :)
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I may be wrong but I thought much of your concern was for the rights of the women involved in the polygamous relationship. I was pointing out that through a perverse happenstance in this country women in fact gained power because they were refused any control when they were very young.
 
Daredevel7 said:
There is evidence that shows WHAT exactly? There must be specific evidence to show that man is not intended to be monogamous. I feel like one cannot prove SPECIFICALLY that man isn't meant to be monogamous, only supported by evidence that proves something else (such as the frequency of sexual yearnings of an individual).
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The most impressive evidence I know of concerns human male sperm.

It is actually composed of three parts, much like an army, a military machine.

The first group is designed to attack any other male's sperm it comes upon. Get it, or them, out of the way so the next group can get through to the eggs. These are the ones that win the race, but they don't seem to be all that interested in impregnating.

The second group are not designed for attack or defense. They are the lovers of the trio. They do the impregnating. They are breeders, not fighters.

The third, and last group, are designed to fight off any advancing male sperm from the rear that might try to eliminate the competition and get their breeders through to the eggs in spite of coming in second.

It is an epic battle plan, and there can only be one reason for its existence.

Multiple partners during a short space of time.

Nature in the raw.

May the best sperm win!
 
Reba said:
But they have a conscious will that allows them to make choices of right and wrong. Animals do not.
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Conscious will very often has nothing to do with determining what is right and what is wrong. And it should never be used to determine that for another. That is a gross distortion of conscious will and free choice.
 
Berry said:
Perhaps that is true with you.

But my experience has been that jealousy manifests itself early. Often before the first date. I have, all my life, had women friends I great with a hug and a kiss. I've received jealousy reactions from women whose names I did not yet know, who were thinking of dating me in the future -- Get angry because I kissed another woman.

Some women, (Yes, I'm certain men are this way also) feel that the very discussion of a future date gives them ownership rights.

As for the bolded part. I remember a couple who selected her lovers together because he liked to watch them. You might say their relationship was incredible -- Both to them and to everyone else.
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Jealousy most often is simply one manifestation of an ingrained pattern of behavior.
 
Another fact, though not as impressive, is that while men are usually very easily aroused and satisfied many women are slow to arouse and difficult to satisfy.

Some relationships bog down because it takes one man working diligently forever to do the job properly.

But two, three, or four guys in a row and she explodes.

Not proof, but evidence, and it makes some people wonder.
 
Berry said:
Another fact, though not as impressive, is that while men are usually very easily aroused and satisfied many women are slow to arouse and difficult to satisfy.

Some relationships bog down because it takes one man working diligently forever to do the job properly.

But two, three, or four guys in a row and she explodes.

Not proof, but evidence, and it makes some people wonder.
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And yet another...men remain fertile and able to father children until their death given the presence of no pathology. Women, however, have a limited amount of time in their fertility. Men are quite obviously designed, biologically, to father more children than one woman can bear.
 
jillio said:
Conscious will very often has nothing to do with determining what is right and what is wrong. And it should never be used to determine that for another. That is a gross distortion of conscious will and free choice.
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In any conflict between conscious will and the imagination -- Imagination will win.
 
Berry said:
I may be wrong but I thought much of your concern was for the rights of the women involved in the polygamous relationship. I was pointing out that through a perverse happenstance in this country women in fact gained power because they were refused any control when they were very young.
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I support arranged marriages as long as the man and woman each have veto power in the selection, and that the wedding doesn't happen until they are both of legal age.
 
Berry said:
...Some relationships bog down because it takes one man working diligently forever to do the job properly....
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Maybe the problem is the man considers it "working" and doing a "job." That doesn't sound like much fun. :roll:
 
jillio said:
And yet another...men remain fertile and able to father children until their death given the presence of no pathology. Women, however, have a limited amount of time in their fertility. Men are quite obviously designed, biologically, to father more children than one woman can bear.
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Designed by whom?

Just because a man has sperm doesn't mean each one has to be used for impregnation.
 
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