Petition: Please shorten a ban

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C.C.Sinned said:
so, popularity bends the rules.... maybe the real popular people should be able to break all the rules and never have any consequences whatsoever... :roll:
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n'thing.
 
Jiro said:
no I will not sign the petition. She broke the rule and she must pay for it. I have to do same as well. simple as that. Of course... I understand that the rules & punishment can be bended/overlooked. If Alex/mods shortened it, cool... If not... oh well.

IMO - a couple weeks will do for her... A month is too long and I need somebody opposite of me to bicker with. :mad2:
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jiro, i understand that you will not sign the petition. but why did you say 2 weeks, not a month. it seems to me that you are about to sign the petition. also, i do like watching the tennis game like you guys did in the past. =X

I signed it because of her different pov is interesting. Some of those words that she use strong words against people that i am not comfortable with when i know someone is not a bad person. thats all.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
so, popularity bends the rules.... maybe the real popular people should be able to break all the rules and never have any consequences whatsoever... :roll:
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Oh, yes. If I get banned for 30 days, then I get deserved for it. I was banned from other forum for more than 30 days...so what? deal with it. Look at Taylor, he was being banned for two years for a different reason. :roll: I have nothing against Jillio or anyone else in this forum. However, favoritism needs to be stopped, ok. :ugh3::io:
 
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cool.

I also vote for Jillio to come back, Seems like a harsh ban for something so mediocre.


I feel if two people are bickering let them debate it out. If one or the other reported to the mods, that they felt they were entirely insulted or belittled. It is the way some people debate. But if the two that are debating are not complaining. Then let them duke it out.

Now if someone is insulted or does not like what the other person said. Report it to the mods and allow the mods to warn those specific people.

Other than that.... Certain people enjoy debating each other in hot topics. Words do fly out, Just like in any political debate.

IMHO.

I agree the punishment of banning either party was a bit harsh.

So I agree we should allow Jillio to come back.
 
No, I will not sign it. It wouldn't be fair to others who were banned for a month in the past and none of you guys sign it for them. I believe in fair and justice.
 
Jolie77 said:
First of all - This needs to be cleared up.

When a member is banned - They are expected to be followed by the ban time line that is provided in the forum rules.

In this case Jillio was banned for a good reason. It is not because of her personality trait that resulted in her ban. When a member is banned, it should not be any of one's concern as to why they are banned. That is between the moderators/admin and the banned member.

There are protocols for the ban as it has been shown over and over again.

If you guys feel that the ban time line needs to be modified or shortened; Take it up with the admin (Alex in this case) because after all, He is the one that decides the ban time line.

When a member has been previously banned for 24 hours, and when there's another ban that occurs, that member will be given 48 hours ban, so and on until that member receives the permanent ban. I happen to think that the ban time line is reasonable and fair for all of us here because you don't see a lot of flexibility on the ban procedure in a lot of various forums. Some forums will give you a permanent ban on ONE try, That's how cold it can be.

As for favoritism - We do not lift a ban for someone who happens to be well-liked on AllDeaf. That is not how it works. If a banned member wants to have their ban lifted, They will need to contact the moderator who gave him/her the ban to work out on a compromise. When a moderator gives out a ban (we don't like it but we will if we have to provided what the reasons were for) - We will follow it with the ban record we have on each member.

I hope this clears it up. If there's any question, Feel free to ask or to do so.

Thank You. :)
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I think Jolie answered the quiry as to whether or not Jillio's ban will be lifted. Therefore, I don't see a need for the thread to stay open. I'm sorry Jillio was banned for an extended period of time, but maybe she needs to re-think when it's time to step back from a thread and not let it get so heated that bans are issues. Also, using the ignore feature is an option. If someone irks you for whatever reason, you can ignore them. It's a lot better than getting banned.

I should know! I've been there and back... Literally.
 
Jiro said:
yes but major difference is - counselors are trained NOT to let their emotions to take over their objectivity. I recognize the fact that Jillio is the valuable and major contributor to AD but the fact remains that she still haven't been able to show a restraint in herself from enticing/provoking/sarcasm especially after several warnings and few bans. I'm also guilty of it but I know when to stop. That's why I'm disappointed in her. So no I will not sign the petition. She broke the rule and she must pay for it. I have to do same as well.
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I'd rather not comment on the petition, but I will say this: I can understand why Jillio responds the way she does. Sometimes it's difficult to restrain oneself especially in political threads. I know if it weren't for my new med, I would have been banned from AD permanently. It's hard to ignore posts that are deliberately meant to flame or provoke and as a result, it's equally hard to resist the temptation to respond to said posts. With that, I have no further comment about Jillio except to say that I'm sorry she was banned and am looking forward to her return.
 
Frisky Feline said:
jiro, i understand that you will not sign the petition. but why did you say 2 weeks, not a month. it seems to me that you are about to sign the petition. also, i do like watching the tennis game like you guys did in the past. =X

I signed it because of her different pov is interesting. Some of those words that she use strong words against people that i am not comfortable with when i know someone is not a bad person. thats all.
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formally - i will not sign the petition. just a little silly man on my shoulder is telling me that a month ban is quite too long :lol: I will sorely miss debating with a worthy opponent..... :(
 
Jiro said:
formally - i will not sign the petition. just a little silly man on my shoulder is telling me that a month ban is quite too long :lol: I will sorely miss debating with a worthy opponent..... :(
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yeah i understand. lol. sorry.
 
I agree with other posters that the debating party should be able to debate with each other. If it's too uncomfortable with it then they know how to stop it.
 
My point in this is not playing favorites!!

If a debate was between two individuals.... And the parties were not complaining about each other to the mods. It obviously shows they enjoy debating with each other.
 
Babyblue said:
My point in this is not playing favorites!!

If a debate was between two individuals.... And the parties were not complaining about each other to the mods. It obviously shows they enjoy debating with each other.
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This is true. However, debates need to be respectful. People can't flame individuals just for the heck of it. I'm not saying that's what happened in Jillio's case. I honestly don't know WHAT happened. I just feel that in order to be fair to the forum members as a whole, rules must be followed. If necessary, the debating party can take it to PM or even messenger to continue the debate so as to not risk banishment.

I have also seen people flame others just because they felt like it. Admittedly, I've done this in the past as well. It's why I was banned for an extended period of time. I'm not proud of it, but it happened. There is something to be said about personal responsiblity. This is not the first time she was banned. It takes alot of mischief to be banned for a month, and by the time a person reaches that mark, they should know they are treading on thin ice.
 
Babyblue said:
My point in this is not playing favorites!!

If a debate was between two individuals.... And the parties were not complaining about each other to the mods. It obviously shows they enjoy debating with each other.
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Well, I was ganged up by 3 ADers and everyone can see these 3 people who were favored with each other on one's side against me. I don't think it is fair. That's like they were jumpin' in a bandwagon all together against one. That's called " favoritism ".

If, one minds their own business and leave the 2 alone to discuss about any issue in any thread, then that is fine. But, once a person start trollin' or encitin'/provokin' then, that person will get ban for doin' that. All ADers have to learn to RESPECT each ADer's viewpoints/opinions no matter where they came from. It's their background where they grew up or learn through their own experiences they had walked through. And, of course -- NEVER, NEVER belittle or personal insult anyone. Belittlin'/personal insult has NO reason in it. It has NO benefits to make friends with any ADer.

I would love to see each person to love one another as friends and try to get along with all due respect in despite of their own differences.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
This is true. However, debates need to be respectful. People can't flame individuals just for the heck of it. I'm not saying that's what happened in Jillio's case. I honestly don't know WHAT happened. I just feel that in order to be fair to the forum members as a whole, rules must be followed. If necessary, the debating party can take it to PM or even messenger to continue the debate so as to not risk banishment.

I have also seen people flame others just because they felt like it. Admittedly, I've done this in the past as well. It's why I was banned for an extended period of time. I'm not proud of it, but it happened. There is something to be said about personal responsiblity. This is not the first time she was banned. It takes alot of mischief to be banned for a month, and by the time a person reaches that mark, they should know they are treading on thin ice.
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I agree to a certain point. But if two parties are engaging in a political debate. It is between them. Neither of them reported each other to a moderator. Unless someone else...felt the need to report it.... Just to see what would happen. Perhaps??

Then what was the purpose?? They were debating. If some felt it gotten out of hand. A simple "cool it down" by the mods would have been a warning. I have seen it done in many threads. But not this thread. No warning. Just banned.

I have seen a couple of people that were banned in the past come right back on this forum and started at it again. They are still here. With out another ban. :hmm: Seems they had plenty of warnings to cool it in the threads.

Makes one wonder how the choices are made.

I feel that Jillio past bans, have made the choice too easy for the mods to ban her again.


I am not trying to provoke anyone. I am just speaking how I am observing this.

I do not make waves often. But I do have to wonder. :2c:
 
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