Petition: Please shorten a ban

[Babyblue]

Well, I was ganged up by 3 ADers and everyone can see these 3 people who were favored with each other on one's side against me. I don't think it is fair. That's like they were jumpin' in a bandwagon all together against one. That's called " favoritism ".

If, one minds their own business and leave the 2 alone to discuss about any issue in any thread, then that is fine. But, once a person start trollin' or encitin'/provokin' then, that person will get ban for doin' that. All ADers have to learn to RESPECT each ADer's viewpoints/opinions no matter where they came from. It's their background where they grew up or learn through their own experiences they had walked through. And, of course -- NEVER, NEVER belittle or personal insult anyone. Belittlin'/personal insult has NO reason in it. It has NO benefits to make friends with any ADer.

I would love to see each person to love one another as friends and try to get along with all due respect in despite of their own differences.

I respectfully understand what you are saying.

But this particular ban has nothing to do with you. (respectfully saying.)

As on any forum. People will disagree.


One has to learn to respect the opposite opinion as well.

Just because some one disagrees with your opinion and several others as well. Does not mean they are ganging up on you. Just means more than one person disagrees with what you are saying.

 

[naisho]

I think smoe things need to be cleared up before more angry outbursts come out.

We are discussing two different things
A. The AD bill of rights of a 5/6 warning strikeout.
B. The sensitivity of a debate related penalty for "high sticking" and having to go to the penalty box (term borrowed, from you know who

I am coming out to speak without a biased perspective, putting my past differences with her aside. This is someone who she may have issues with and I am looking to set these aside to speak. Please take note of this as I feel this is the perspective that wants to be heard pertaining exactly to the sentimentality of this ban.

I don't think anyone here is arguing or challenging the fact that if you reach your fifth or sixth offense, then you are out of the game completely.

What people are questioing is if it is worth it to receive a thirty day ban for havnig an arguing spirit and/or personality. Sure, we may come to a disagreement between what exactly crosses the line, but what we are addressing "is if it is worth it to get banned for disagreeing about Barack Obama, "BO Admin", Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, Terrorism and what happens on 9/11 or whatever."

This is the situation that is at hand.


The problem we, as AD needs to solve is if it is worth further creating another in-depth institutionalized bill of law that may be seen as favoritism to some, and unjustfication to another.

In this particular case, I think I only know three of four causes to the individual's bans, and here they are in detail, if any others feel free to explain further:
First - Don't know
Second - debate versus which they seemed to have reconciled
Third - Versus another individual for bickering and/or provoking-enticing line of behavior
Fourth - This, for reasons previously stated.

So, with this in mind hopefully we can come to an agreement.
We know she didn't try to physically denature or slander another person. Only that some of her jokes and sarcasm rubbed others the wrong way and became misunderstood, or made her enemies with others on the board.


I am sorry for my lonestar-style perspective if you are offended by my response. But I view this particular case with equality whenever a debate situation comes to mind.

This was a pain in the butt to type and load out on my non-QwERTY phone , so if I made any mistakes or errors I hope you will leave them out for a change. (This is one of the initial reasons why I opetd for phone type account)

 

[shel90]

I agree to a certain point. But if two parties are engaging in a political debate. It is between them. Neither of them reported each other to a moderator. Unless someone else...felt the need to report it.... Just to see what would happen. Perhaps??

Then what was the purpose?? They were debating. If some felt it gotten out of hand. A simple "cool it down" by the mods would have been a warning. I have seen it done in many threads. But not this thread. No warning. Just banned.

I have seen a couple of people that were banned in the past come right back on this forum and started at it again. They are still here. With out another ban. Seems they had plenty of warnings to cool it in the threads.

Makes one wonder how the choices are made.

That's how I feel..if two members are debating with each other or even insulting each other but arent bothered by it , it means that they couldn have had established a mutual respect for each other and could be playfully mocking each other. If other members dont like it, then ignore them or dont reply to their posts? As for someone else who is not involved reporting them, I prefer not to state my opinion about it.

I feel that Jillio past bans, have made the choice too easy for the mods to ban her again.


I am not trying to provoke anyone. I am just speaking how I am observing this.

I do not make waves often. But I do have to wonder.

 

[Babyblue]

I am glad you understand what I am saying...

Those two particular ones seemed to not be bothered by it.

Why should any one else??

 

[shel90]

I am glad you understand what I am saying...

Those two particular ones seemed to not be bothered by it.

Why should any one else??

I cant speak for anyone else. I am the kind of person who doesnt stress over the littlest things ..I got bigger problems in my life to worry about so if ADers are bickering each other, I just get out the popcorn and enjoy the show. It is not offensive to me. Sure, I have gotten into some bickers myself too and I am sure others enjoyed the show too! No biggie. Life is too short.

 

[Babyblue]

I cant speak for anyone else. I am the kind of person who doesnt stress over the littlest things ..I got bigger problems in my life to worry about so if ADers are bickering each other, I just get out the popcorn and enjoy the show. It is not offensive to me. Sure, I have gotten into some bickers myself too and I am sure others enjoyed the show too! No biggie. Life is too short.

Shel, Gal.. You know it !!

 

[sequoias]

formally - i will not sign the petition. just a little silly man on my shoulder is telling me that a month ban is quite too long I will sorely miss debating with a worthy opponent.....

Suggest ya to debate with her on email or IM then you guys won't have to deal with the banning stuff.

 

[Hear Again]

I cant speak for anyone else. I am the kind of person who doesnt stress over the littlest things ..I got bigger problems in my life to worry about so if ADers are bickering each other, I just get out the popcorn and enjoy the show. It is not offensive to me. Sure, I have gotten into some bickers myself too and I am sure others enjoyed the show too! No biggie. Life is too short.

 

[AlleyCat]

No offense to anyone, especially Jillio since this thread is about her, but I can't believe there's already 48 posts about this. We all know the mods aren't going to shorten a ban.

 

[Bottesini]

No offense to anyone, especially Jillio since this thread is about her, but I can't believe there's already 48 posts about this. We all know the mods aren't going to shorten a ban.

Call me a wild optimist, but I am trying to have hope.

 

[Babyblue]

No offense to anyone, especially Jillio since this thread is about her, but I can't believe there's already 48 posts about this. We all know the mods aren't going to shorten a ban.

Perhaps, and perhaps not.

We are all expressing our views about this issue.

Could it be that the thread is thriving for others to learn from this?

ADers and Moderators can learn a lot by listening to what people have to say.



That is why I applaud to whomever unlocked this thread.

 

[Hear Again]

Perhaps, and perhaps not.

We are all expressing our views about this issue.

Could it be that the thread is thriving for others to learn from this?

ADers and Moderators can learn a lot by listening to what people have to say.



That is why I applaud to whomever unlocked this thread.

I agree, Babyblue. No harm in discussing this topic. If truth be told, I'm curious to know how other ADers feel.

 

[Jiro]

Perhaps, and perhaps not.

We are all expressing our views about this issue.

Could it be that the thread is thriving for others to learn from this?

ADers and Moderators can learn a lot by listening to what people have to say.



That is why I applaud to whomever unlocked this thread.

nothing much to learn except one thing - LEARN THE AD RULE AGAIN! and heed Byrdie's old advice

Then take this into consideration-- Think you before you post. Double check your post before hitting the submit button. Double check your post for "anger" as that can cause trouble for you.

Individuals can still post strong opinions as long as they remember their p's & q's.

that's all.

 

[Rio]

Byrdie has a great point, check your work before you post

 

[ncff07]

First offense - Warning
Second offense - 24 hours ban
Third offense - 48 hours ban
Fourth offense - 1 week ban
Fifth offense - 1 month ban
Sixth offense - Permanent ban


i think there should be another one added to that list. going from 1 week to 1 month is quite a jump. maybe go from one week to 2 weeks then a month... just add another one to the list and have the 7th offense be the pernament ban? just my 2 cents. and as far as jillio, shes been banned before and knew the rules. but like someone else said the month seems a bit long to me but its the mods decision and it is in the rules which are common knowledge.

maybe the mods and Alex would consider revising the ban lengths to be something like this:

First offense - Warning
Second offense - 24 hours ban
Third offense - 48 hours ban
Fourth offense - 1 week ban
Fifth offense - 2 week ban
Sixth offense - 1 month ban
Seventh offense - Permanent ban

 

[Jiro]

First offense - Warning
Second offense - 24 hours ban
Third offense - 48 hours ban
Fourth offense - 1 week ban
Fifth offense - 1 month ban
Sixth offense - Permanent ban


i think there should be another one added to that list. going from 1 week to 1 month is quite a jump. maybe go from one week to 2 weeks then a month... just add another one to the list and have the 7th offense be the pernament ban? just my 2 cents. and as far as jillio, shes been banned before and knew the rules. but like someone else said the month seems a bit long to me but its the mods decision and it is in the rules which are common knowledge.

maybe the mods and Alex would consider revising the ban lengths to be something like this:

First offense - Warning
Second offense - 24 hours ban
Third offense - 48 hours ban
Fourth offense - 1 week ban
Fifth offense - 2 week ban
Sixth offense - 1 month ban
Seventh offense - Permanent ban

then PM them

 

[naisho]

Has anyone bothered to read some of the posts in here including my last post?

What some of you guys intending on shortening the ban aren't exactly looking to add a new base before the big K-O, its that you're looking for is reducing bans related to DEBATING behavior.

We aren't seeing eye to eye on having 30 days penalty for DEBATING argument about Barack Obama, DUBYA, "Bush & CO."

We DO see the need for a 30 day penalty for threatening to KILL someone, verbally abuse them at the point it's obvious bullying, ETC.

This is what's going on.

We are trying to procure some new "sub-ban" bill scheme that involves reducing bans related to debates. Not the standard 6 strikes you're out thing.

It would appear to me to be wiser not to mix the two unless one thinks debating related aftermaths should be included in all ban sentences.

 

[Jiro]

Has anyone bothered to read some of the posts in here including my last post?

What some of you guys intending on shortening the ban aren't exactly looking to add a new base before the big K-O, its that you're looking for is reducing bans related to DEBATING behavior.

We aren't seeing eye to eye on having 30 days penalty for DEBATING argument about Barack Obama, DUBYA, "Bush & CO."

We DO see the need for a 30 day penalty for threatening to KILL someone, verbally abuse them at the point it's obvious bullying, ETC.

This is what's going on.

We are trying to procure some new "sub-ban" bill scheme that involves reducing bans related to debates. Not the standard 6 strikes you're out thing.

It would appear to me to be wiser not to mix the two unless one thinks debating related aftermaths should be included in all ban sentences.

that's why it's up to mod's discretion to issue x-length of ban. btw - death threat? I believe that's perm-ban.

 

[SeanB]

And I thought I bent a couple of rules on occasion! Doesn't Alex realize how much inconsistent this site is becoming distancing itself from the real purpose he wanted the site to portray? I actually see Jillio as an unofficial mod that enhances my experience on this site, no one can always be expected to have a perfect answer all the time - So I vote to reinstate her immediately!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I vote for jillio to come back before 30 days.

It´s really nice thoughtful of you...