Petition against "dirty signs" book publishing

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TXgolfer said:
Not sure what your problem is today, but no trolling at all. I merely acknowledged the dueling FB pages. I have no motives....the way I see it, the book is a matter of free speech....as are the protests.
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But do you have any problem with it? No opinion at all?
 
TXgolfer said:
No, I was supporting Mozzeria, it was a great place to eat run by wonderful people who happened to be deaf. There is a difference.
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Yes. Deaf people who use ASL.

TXgolfer said:
Oh, an assumption/accusation. :cool2:
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A logical assumption based on your view and ignorance toward ASL

TXgolfer said:
Why? I don't see the point really. I support free speech just as I support your right to complain about it.
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so you're not exercising your right to express your disdain toward it?
 
I love to teach ASL and help the new signers to sign in ASL correctly.

When I was student at Gallaudet, I helped new signers to learn about ASL and they learned about ASL in fast pace.
 
Jiro said:
Yes. Deaf people who use ASL.
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Some speak and lipread. They also write and use the iPad notepad. In fact the entire operation is done by iPad....no cash register.


A logical assumption based on your view and ignorance toward ASL
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My view on ASL???


so you're not exercising your right to express your disdain toward it?
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Was my last post not clear enough for you? Or are you trolling?
 
TXgolfer said:
Why? I don't see the point really. I support free speech just as I support your right to complain about it.
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Jiro replied admicabally; > so you're not exercising your right to express your disdain toward it?

That's a difference between assumption and ignorance as well.

Hearing people assume its Ok to teach what actually belongs to another group- Deaf, Like this would it be ok for White to teach High school about Red Indian witchcraft (with a white's view and /or very lttle real understanding of what IS being Indian is about and what IS witchcraft according to Indians??
This is the same for a hearie to asume their position to speak 'on behalf' the difference again, is that She DID not speak on behalf of the Deaf community at all, just herself, who happens to be a big shot thinking she'd hit a gold mine, to think its perfectly ok to get rich quickly using her dubious skills in ASL...and greed of course.

now freedom of speech in USA (or in most western democracy countries) is an idea that's is ok to voice an outrage on a movement which threaten or insult, or politically belittle a group (Deaf for that matter - and which could well be meant to be a property belonging to Deaf people , much in same way as artwork methods belonging to Indians - Frredom of speech is to be excercised, just as Jiro said, in a two way, so little people can growl (big people hearie whos have too much power being able to Hear and 'sign',,is stepping over the line of being 'fair', now its clear to us all, she is not being fair at all, she is self serving, selfish and reckless.
 
There's still a long wayto go yet though...for Deaf people to say When, not according to the hearies.
 
TXgolfer said:
Not sure what your problem is today, but no trolling at all. I merely acknowledged the dueling FB pages. I have no motives....the way I see it, the book is a matter of free speech....as are the protests.
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Speaking about free speech, only protected anyone from government, not us.

I found Kristin Henson to be offend to ASL communities, that's big no.

Common sense > free speech
 
I have my own opinion on this, I'll probably catch some flak.

Personally, I don't agree with what Kristin is trying to do. It gives the wrong impression for innocent people who want to learn something - at least teach them the dirty signs or close equivalents if there are variations, so they get their money back for buying the book. Kristin is cheating customers in that native signers already felt her book will have incorrect signs just like if you buy a book on USA presidents and you read the author only talks about Bush or Obama.

On the other hand: petitions, sharing, getting the word spread via social media while it looks like a good thing, it's also bad when it gets too big to control: it also has a stake of granting the author attention. Whether good or bad attention, it gives the book publicity. Because of all these protests and word getting spread, it makes people aware of her book and some may buy it on impulse just to see what's it all about. This earns her money due to free advertising, something she doesn't deserve.

It's like Kristin is the troll if she knows her book is wrong; but people who are protesting loudly are only getting the attention of other readers wondering what's going on. These readers who don't have a strong opinion or simple minded folks who end up buying the book end up getting "trolled".

It's in my opinion that it's better not to fight trolls by using fire with fire. They always appreciate the attention whether it is good or bad for them. If it were me: I'd let her eat her costs of making the book out of her own pocket, her publicator soliciting for her money, etc. Then I'd give negative reviews on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, other sites detailing for the potential buyers to read why the book sucks.

I think if that happened, she'd end up with negative profits and a bad rep to boot. Nobody wants to spend money on an author that gets horrible reviews.
 
naisho said:
I have my own opinion on this, I'll probably catch some flak.

Personally, I don't agree with what Kristin is trying to do. It gives the wrong impression for innocent people who want to learn something - at least teach them the dirty signs or close equivalents if there are variations, so they get their money back for buying the book. Kristin is cheating customers in that native signers already felt her book will have incorrect signs just like if you buy a book on USA presidents and you read the author only talks about Bush or Obama.

On the other hand: petitions, sharing, getting the word spread via social media while it looks like a good thing, it's also bad when it gets too big to control: it also has a stake of granting the author attention. Whether good or bad attention, it gives the book publicity. Because of all these protests and word getting spread, it makes people aware of her book and some may buy it on impulse just to see what's it all about. This earns her money due to free advertising, something she doesn't deserve.

It's like Kristin is the troll if she knows her book is wrong; but people who are protesting loudly are only getting the attention of other readers wondering what's going on. These readers who don't have a strong opinion or simple minded folks who end up buying the book end up getting "trolled".

It's in my opinion that it's better not to fight trolls by using fire with fire. They always appreciate the attention whether it is good or bad for them. If it were me: I'd let her eat her costs of making the book out of her own pocket, her publicator soliciting for her money, etc. Then I'd give negative reviews on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, other sites detailing for the potential buyers to read why the book sucks.

I think if that happened, she'd end up with negative profits and a bad rep to boot. Nobody wants to spend money on an author that gets horrible reviews.
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Make sense. protesting now just gives the book more attention.
 
naisho said:
I have my own opinion on this, I'll probably catch some flak.

Personally, I don't agree with what Kristin is trying to do. It gives the wrong impression for innocent people who want to learn something - at least teach them the dirty signs or close equivalents if there are variations, so they get their money back for buying the book. Kristin is cheating customers in that native signers already felt her book will have incorrect signs just like if you buy a book on USA presidents and you read the author only talks about Bush or Obama.

On the other hand: petitions, sharing, getting the word spread via social media while it looks like a good thing, it's also bad when it gets too big to control: it also has a stake of granting the author attention. Whether good or bad attention, it gives the book publicity. Because of all these protests and word getting spread, it makes people aware of her book and some may buy it on impulse just to see what's it all about. This earns her money due to free advertising, something she doesn't deserve.

It's like Kristin is the troll if she knows her book is wrong; but people who are protesting loudly are only getting the attention of other readers wondering what's going on. These readers who don't have a strong opinion or simple minded folks who end up buying the book end up getting "trolled".

It's in my opinion that it's better not to fight trolls by using fire with fire. They always appreciate the attention whether it is good or bad for them. If it were me: I'd let her eat her costs of making the book out of her own pocket, her publicator soliciting for her money, etc. Then I'd give negative reviews on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, other sites detailing for the potential buyers to read why the book sucks.

I think if that happened, she'd end up with negative profits and a bad rep to boot. Nobody wants to spend money on an author that gets horrible reviews.
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hmmm didnt think of that, good posting...so its a game...
 
Grummer said:
hmmm didnt think of that, good posting...so its a game...
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There is a saying here....maybe everywhere. :dunno: "There is no such thing as bad publicity" and that often holds true.
 
i did thought of that too, apparently its lose-lose all by the bloody greedy hearing bitch
 
best you can do is SIGN the Petition !!
and spread it FAST
mock the bitch
 
some signs same in b/s/l. like in most class on signing people ask what .i take them deaf club where it not all polite sweet words and what would consider bad is not,so other signs that p.c are being incoperated....i can not see the problem, every language got them..hearing people say they use them as verbal release why can't deaf do same
 
oh fuck PC...
pC should be thrown out...it hasnt done anyone good...
 
Foxrac said:
Speaking about free speech, only protected anyone from government, not us.

I found Kristin Henson to be offend to ASL communities, that's big no.

Common sense > free speech
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TXgolfer said:
Exactly :thumb:
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Wrong!

John Locke said "The majority should rule rather than the monarchy."

John Stuart Mill pointed out that the majority can be far more oppressive than any monarch. Thus the concept -- Not of simply majority rule -- But protection for the minorities within it.

It is this concept that gives Deaf people the right to use sign language in public and black people the right to sit in the front of the bus -- And the right of Native Americans to use their own language as well.

Protection for minority opinion is one of the most important standards The United States has stood for. Without it we are just a bunch of punks looking for someone who disagrees with us to beat up on.

The difference between a fundamentalist country and a free country:

In a free country your neighbor is going to do something you don't like -- And you won't be able to stop them.

In a fundamentalist country you are going to want to do something you think is harmless -- But your neighbor is going to be able to stop you from doing it.

Which do YOU want to live in?
 
naisho said:
I have my own opinion on this, I'll probably catch some flak.

Personally, I don't agree with what Kristin is trying to do. It gives the wrong impression for innocent people who want to learn something - at least teach them the dirty signs or close equivalents if there are variations, so they get their money back for buying the book. Kristin is cheating customers in that native signers already felt her book will have incorrect signs just like if you buy a book on USA presidents and you read the author only talks about Bush or Obama.

On the other hand: petitions, sharing, getting the word spread via social media while it looks like a good thing, it's also bad when it gets too big to control: it also has a stake of granting the author attention. Whether good or bad attention, it gives the book publicity. Because of all these protests and word getting spread, it makes people aware of her book and some may buy it on impulse just to see what's it all about. This earns her money due to free advertising, something she doesn't deserve.

It's like Kristin is the troll if she knows her book is wrong; but people who are protesting loudly are only getting the attention of other readers wondering what's going on. These readers who don't have a strong opinion or simple minded folks who end up buying the book end up getting "trolled".

It's in my opinion that it's better not to fight trolls by using fire with fire. They always appreciate the attention whether it is good or bad for them. If it were me: I'd let her eat her costs of making the book out of her own pocket, her publicator soliciting for her money, etc. Then I'd give negative reviews on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, other sites detailing for the potential buyers to read why the book sucks.

I think if that happened, she'd end up with negative profits and a bad rep to boot. Nobody wants to spend money on an author that gets horrible reviews.
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like E.L JAMES bad reviews poorly written but biggest best seller in years
 
just add in banned in some american libaries but in most of the free world you can get it...i be very worried if i was american, your values and ideas of freedom are questionable
 
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