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rockdrummer said:
I understand you and I think we are on the same page. What some people here don't seem to realize is that you can't just simply pack up the family and move to podunk so that your deaf child can attend a deaf school. It's not that simple and there is much to be considered.

The sad part to me is that there are so few deaf schools with some slated to be closed. Why cant there be good DHH programs at the public schools that offer the same level of deaf education that is found at the deaf schools... In some places there are. Believe it or not some public schools have outstanding DHH programs so why would someone pack up the family and move to podunk when their deaf child can get the same quality of education at one of the schools that offer a great DHH program?
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There are a few public schools with great DHH programs. Unfortunately, most public schools that try to run a good deaf/hh program run from a pathological (audist) view on deafness rather than from a cultural view. As a result, people are hired who really have little or no understand of deaf children's needs and Deaf people are rarely hired especially those who sign and do not use voice.

On the other hand, most Deaf people arent too thrilled with working at schools where there will be little or no understanding of deafness. I had my share of experience working as a staff at public schools in a deaf/hoh program and I was never taken seriously in meetings.
 
rockdrummer said:
That is a good point. Some of the abuse reported in the links I provided were from other students and not the faculty. Something that has an increased risk in a residential program.
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why would a school share dorms the older students with the younger ones?

When was in sixth grade, I was in elementary school but few years later, they wanted the sixth graders OUT of elementary school because they are too old to be around elementary kids. Our high school and middle school shared land though so it was easy to meet seniors when the school let out. We also share the same bus too. It's still that way to this day. Where Middle and High school ride the same bus home.
 
Shel - Thank you very much for sharing your pearls of wisdom here. You continue to inspire me! Thank you so much again; when I feel frustrated, I know I can look up to you to continue on with my studying. :hug:

Lighthouse, I'll have you know my oldest nephew had to share his dorm room with a 6th grader when he was in 9th grade. There just wasn't any room in the dormitory apartment so he had to wait one more year for the surplus of the graduates to move out of the dorm apt.

There are reasons why older students share their dormitories with younger students. Some exhibit inappropriate social behaviour and need to be kept one year back to mature socially. Intellectually they are superior but emotionally/socially they may need nurturing and this is where the dormitories are excellent for.
 
shel90 said:
On the other hand, most Deaf people arent too thrilled with working at schools where there will be little or no understanding of deafness. I had my share of experience working as a staff at public schools in a deaf/hoh program and I was never taken seriously in meetings.
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I can picture that. You give your input and they would like, "Okay. ANYWAY, what more can we do for these deaf students" and all the hearing staffs would give their idea where everyone thinks it's great idea... but completely ignores your
 
Lighthouse77 said:
why would a school share dorms the older students with the younger ones?
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Nobody said they did. ... oh wait.. Bucket said they do... .my bad. Not only that but they don't have to share dorms for the abuse to occur.
 
faire_jour said:
There are hundreds of thosands of public schools that have ZERO cases of abuse. Therefore, you have much worse odds at the Deaf school. It's math.
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Zero reported cases of abuse...

However, in Deaf schools, where student to teacher ratios are much, much lower, bullying is far less a problem. Yes, it's still there, but much more under control.

I am far more worried about the bullying either of my children will endure in public schools. Children committing acts of self harm and even suicide because of the bullying they suffer is absolutely unacceptable. Schools letting it happen is without a doubt criminal.

Both of my girls have a congenital neurological condition that is visibly noticeable. Knowing what horrid creatures tween-teen girls can be, I am scared to death what they will go through at the hands of their classmates just because of a few spots or bumps.
 
So what do you think of this effort then Shel.

rockdrummer said:
I am hopeful that someday in the near future that all of the controversy surrounding deaf education will be lifted and standards established and the quality of a deaf kids education will be consistent across programs. Here is an effort that appears to be striving towards that goal. Have any of you seen this and/or what do you think about it. It's called the National Deaf Education Project (NDEP) Here is a link to their website.

NDEP - National Deaf Education Project
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Mrs Bucket said:
Shel - Thank you very much for sharing your pearls of wisdom here. You continue to inspire me! Thank you so much again; when I feel frustrated, I know I can look up to you to continue on with my studying. :hug:

Lighthouse, I'll have you know my oldest nephew had to share his dorm room with a 6th grader when he was in 9th grade. There just wasn't any room in the dormitory apartment so he had to wait one more year for the surplus of the graduates to move out of the dorm apt.

There are reasons why older students share their dormitories with younger students. Some exhibit inappropriate social behaviour and need to be kept one year back to mature socially. Intellectually they are superior but emotionally/socially they may need nurturing and this is where the dormitories are excellent for.
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That work pretty much like middle school. Middle school go from 6th to 8th or 9th. while high school go from 9th to 12th.

I know Lots of 6th grade public schooled students in my school who dated an eight or nineth graders. Called them boyfriends and go to dance together. They even have sex together
 
WeeBeastie said:
Zero reported cases of abuse...

However, in Deaf schools, where student to teacher ratios are much, much lower, bullying is far less a problem. Yes, it's still there, but much more under control.

I am far more worried about the bullying either of my children will endure in public schools. Children committing acts of self harm and even suicide because of the bullying they suffer is absolutely unacceptable. Schools letting it happen is without a doubt criminal.

Both of my girls have a congenital neurological condition that is visibly noticeable. Knowing what horrid creatures tween-teen girls can be, I am scared to death what they will go through at the hands of their classmates just because of a few spots or bumps.
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Oh, I was bullied to the point where I had to change classes to get away from it. It was so bad.

At the deaf schools, sure there is bullying but it is not like when I was at an disadvantage when I was being bullied because I couldnt hear everything the kids were saying and the bullies took full advantage of it so I was more vulnerable.

Bullying is a problem at both public and deaf schools. I am sure it is a problem at private schools but I dont want to speculate as I have no experience with them.
 
rockdrummer said:
Nobody said they did. ... oh wait.. Bucket said they do... .my bad. Not only that but they don't have to share dorms for the abuse to occur.
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I was just reponding to a 17 years old raping a 10 years old. Why would they even share dorm? They are too old
 
rockdrummer said:
So what do you think of this effort then Shel.
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I missed that one..I didnt read all of the posts that have been posted since I last logged in. I will have to go back and read them all. Right now, I am just scanning but when I am done with cleaning, getting the kids ready and all that, I will go back and check. Thanks.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
Shel - Thank you very much for sharing your pearls of wisdom here. You continue to inspire me! Thank you so much again; when I feel frustrated, I know I can look up to you to continue on with my studying. :hug:

Lighthouse, I'll have you know my oldest nephew had to share his dorm room with a 6th grader when he was in 9th grade. There just wasn't any room in the dormitory apartment so he had to wait one more year for the surplus of the graduates to move out of the dorm apt.

There are reasons why older students share their dormitories with younger students. Some exhibit inappropriate social behaviour and need to be kept one year back to mature socially. Intellectually they are superior but emotionally/socially they may need nurturing and this is where the dormitories are excellent for.
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Thanks Mrs. Bucket
 
rockdrummer said:
So what do you think of this effort then Shel.
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I have read this and I am aware of it. It is a great start but I think more specifics are needed. Like what language will be used because people who are oralist will argue for oralism rather than sign language. That's why I which it would speficy the BiBi approach because it is the use of BOTH languages (ASL and spoken English) not just one or the other.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
why would a school share dorms the older students with the younger ones?

When was in sixth grade, I was in elementary school but few years later, they wanted the sixth graders OUT of elementary school because they are too old to be around elementary kids. Our high school and middle school shared land though so it was easy to meet seniors when the school let out. We also share the same bus too. It's still that way to this day. Where Middle and High school ride the same bus home.
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Our residential school has very few boarders and therefore has mixed ages together all the time. I also know that they have only one adult overnight. I know this because I stayed in the dorms, with my daughter, during a summer school program.
 
faire_jour said:
Our residential school has very few boarders and therefore has mixed ages together all the time. I also know that they have only one adult overnight. I know this because I stayed in the dorms, with my daughter, during a summer school program.
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It used to be that way at Colorado, not anymore.
 
Just so you all know -
My MAIN reason I started this thread is because people are wishing they went to a Deaf school after they see the benefits of the schools at a later age (20's) and obviously its a bit too late for them.

I guess I wanted to raise awareness of future implications.

I'll watch the thread and let you guys argue the sexual abuses and such...

Very saddening.
 
shel90 said:
I have read this and I am aware of it. It is a great start but I think more specifics are needed. Like what language will be used because people who are oralist will argue for oralism rather than sign language. That's why I which it would speficy the BiBi approach because it is the use of BOTH languages (ASL and spoken English) not just one or the other.
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Don't they answer that here;

Source; NDEP - National Deaf Education Project
What is the NDEP Vision?
Given the absolute and central importance of communication and language to the educational experience the NDEP has developed a communication and language-driven educational paradigm that must be mandated by law to provide:

•Appropriate, yearly communication and language assessment
•on-going, system-wide communication and language development
•communication and language access (to age, cognitive, and language peers and staff proficient in the child's communication mode, language, and/or signing system
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