Parants of CI children.

[jillio]

I would say that I am trying to help my daughter reach her maxium potential in all area, including her hearing. We want her to be able to use her device, in situations where she can not see to lipread, so that is our focus right now. Outside of therapy we will never cover our mouths or intentionally obscure our faces or lips.

I'm very glad to hear that.

 

[jillio]

I would like to add one thing:

When looking at research, check the dates in which the study was conducted. Research done in 1999 may NOT be applicable to today. Same with a study done in 2002, ect. I've seen alot of people on the forum throw up studies to prove a point; only to realize that the study they used was outdated.

Quite true. Thank you for pointing that out, OB. The lit review being discussed last night included references from as far back as the 1980's.

 

[jillio]

I'm working towards my Bachelor's degree in social work and am currently taking a Statistics course. We've already discussed the importance of up-to-date research as well as how one should critically analyze research studies. Although I hate this class (like Shel), I'm finding the information to be extremely useful.

The Statistics and Research Methods classes can be very, very dry. But it is true that you learn details that allow you to critically analyze the research you read, and to determine reliability and validity of any design. I'm sure that both of you understand completely why I ask for a citation that will allow me to access a full article rather than a simple abstract. And also why I find the methodology, participants, and results sections to be much more important in determining the strength of the study than the conclusions section.

 

[Hear Again]

The Statistics and Research Methods classes can be very, very dry. But it is true that you learn details that allow you to critically analyze the research you read, and to determine reliability and validity of any design. I'm sure that both of you understand completely why I ask for a citation that will allow me to access a full article rather than a simple abstract. And also why I find the methodology, participants, and results sections to be much more important in determining the strength of the study than the conclusions section.

That's exactly what my professor said (i.e. the methods and research sections of a study are more important than the conclusion).

Abstracts don't provide the full information one needs in order to critically analyze a study. You don't get the entire picture simply by reading the abstract.

 

[Daredevel7]

That's exactly what my professor said (i.e. the methods and research sections of a study are more important than the conclusion).

Abstracts don't provide the full information one needs in order to critically analyze a study. You don't get the entire picture simply by reading the abstract.

I agree, but the problem is... I don't have access to journal studies. I can get some here and there, but most are lit reviews or outdated... So all I've got to go on are abstracts. If only I joined AD last year, while I was still at GA Tech... I had so much information power in my hands.......

Then I graduated, losing it all.

 

[Hear Again]

I agree, but the problem is... I don't have access to journal studies. I can get some here and there, but most are lit reviews or outdated... So all I've got to go on are abstracts. If only I joined AD last year, while I was still at GA Tech... I had so much information power in my hands.......

Then I graduated, losing it all.

In that case, why don't you tell Jillio what you need so she can look it up for you? That way, all of us can have complete access to the research data.

Otherwise, I'd be happy to look up information as well. I'm a university student and have access to all kinds of journals.

 

[Daredevel7]

In that case, why don't you tell Jillio what you need so she can look it up for you? That way, all of us can have complete access to the research data.

Otherwise, I'd be happy to look up information as well. I'm a university student and have access to all kinds of journals.

1) I don't like asking people for help. Silly stubborn me.
2) Jillio has provided PLENTY of sources already and has already sent me articles. I feel bad enough.
3) Wouldn't it be weird to ask Jillio, a parent who has chosen to leave the choice of getting a CI to her son, for articles that show evidence that the earlier the CI, the better in pre-lingually deaf children (if any)?

 

[Bottesini]

1) I don't like asking people for help. Silly stubborn me.
2) Jillio has provided PLENTY of sources already and has already sent me articles. I feel bad enough.
3) Wouldn't it be weird to ask Jillio, a parent who has chosen to leave the choice of getting a CI to her son, for articles that show evidence that the earlier the CI, the better in pre-lingually deaf children (if any)?

Not weird. Jillio's son is the generation where not nearly as much success. My daughter's have friends who had CI now 26 years old people and it was not a success. Now is getting better.

 

[Hear Again]

Not weird. Jillio's son is the generation where not nearly as much success. My daughter's have friends who had CI now 26 years old people and it was not a success. Now is getting better.

Exactly. The CIs of the mid 80s (which only allowed deaf people to hear environmental sounds) are nothing like the CIs of today.

 

[Daredevel7]

Not weird. Jillio's son is the generation where not nearly as much success. My daughter's have friends who had CI now 26 years old people and it was not a success. Now is getting better.

True, but, correct me Jillio if I'm wrong, she'd still make that same choice if her son was born today.

So if that's the case, I'd be asking her to find me evidence for something she does not believe in...

 

[Hear Again]

True, but, correct me Jillio if I'm wrong, she'd still make that same choice if her son was born today.

So if that's the case, I'd be asking her to find me evidence for something she does not believe in...

I don't want to speak for Jillio, but I'm sure she'd rather you have good evidence to back up your claims instead of providing information that lacks content.

If I had a d/Deaf child who didn't have an implant, it wouldn't stop me from gathering information from the opposite viewpoint if someone asked me to do so. Just because I gather information about early implantation doesn't mean I have to believe that information.

 

[Daredevel7]

I don't want to speak for Jillio, but I'm sure she'd rather you have good evidence to back up your claims instead of providing information that lacks content.

If I had a d/Deaf child who didn't have an implant, it wouldn't stop me from gathering information from the opposite viewpoint if someone asked me to do so. Just because I gather information about early implantation doesn't mean I have to believe that information.

We both are speaking for Jillio lol.. (sorry jillio!)

That's great and I hope more people are like that, but see *lowers to a whisper* I get the feeling Jillio is tired of finding sources for people in the first place, so add on the "ug" factor of finding sources that she doesn't believe in. Not to mention the possibility of her finding information and releasing it here, and people can use it to support their views and arguing against Jillio.... so it can bite her back in the ass...

 

[Bottesini]

We both are speaking for Jillio lol.. (sorry jillio!)

That's great and I hope more people are like that, but see *lowers to a whisper* I get the feeling Jillio is tired of finding sources for people in the first place, so add on the "ug" factor of finding sources that she doesn't believe in. Not to mention the possibility of her finding information and releasing it here, and people can use it to support their views and arguing against Jillio.... so it can bite her back in the ass...

Also speaking for Jillio, (tonight's trend) I am almost certain she would welcome the opportunity to then debate her own sources!

Don't hurt me Jillio, only teasing you.

 

[Hear Again]

We both are speaking for Jillio lol.. (sorry jillio!)

That's great and I hope more people are like that, but see *lowers to a whisper* I get the feeling Jillio is tired of finding sources for people in the first place, so add on the "ug" factor of finding sources that she doesn't believe in. Not to mention the possibility of her finding information and releasing it here, and people can use it to support their views and arguing against Jillio.... so it can bite her back in the ass...

I'm sure there's enough empirical studies on both sides so that Jillio wouldn't feel as if she's constantly trying to defend herself. If an ADer happened to use the information Jillio provided against her, it isn't as if she (Jillio) couldn't retort with her own data.

 

[dreama]

I voted: "Other" because I don´t have a deaf child.

If I have a deaf child then I would wear HA on her/him first until she/he familiar with sounds... I let my deaf child to mix with hearing, CI and deaf children... I will be happy to support my child if she/he want to have CI ....

The poll was meant for parents of children with CI.

 

[faire_jour]

The poll was meant for parents of children with CI.

I get the feelings many people have voted on this poll who aren't parents of implanted children.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The poll was meant for parents of children with CI.

That's why I voted "Other (please state)".

 

[jillio]

1) I don't like asking people for help. Silly stubborn me.
2) Jillio has provided PLENTY of sources already and has already sent me articles. I feel bad enough.
3) Wouldn't it be weird to ask Jillio, a parent who has chosen to leave the choice of getting a CI to her son, for articles that show evidence that the earlier the CI, the better in pre-lingually deaf children (if any)?

You haven't asked, I have offered. Now the responsibility has been taken off of you. No need to feel bad. I am an educator, and it is my vocation as well as my avocation to help people learn when they have shown an interest in doing so.

And, no, it wouldn't be weird at all. I don't undertake research from a one-sided perspective, but look at the sides of an issue from all sides. It is only in that way that I am able to retain objectivity and confidence in the side I lean towards.

 

[jillio]

True, but, correct me Jillio if I'm wrong, she'd still make that same choice if her son was born today.

So if that's the case, I'd be asking her to find me evidence for something she does not believe in...

Just because it would not be a personal choice for me does not mean that I don't support it for others, nor that I don't have information and research that validates the choice they make for themselves.

Given that I deal with deaf students of all ages, it is mandatory that I stay on top of all the the most recent research and findings. To not do so would mean that I am not dedicated to insuring that parents are provided with all of the information in the most accurate way possible. And, I can promise you, that is not the case.

CIs, as Hear Again and Bott have stated, have changed quite a bit since my son was small. In fact, when he was young enough that the decision was in my hands only, it was an experimental procedure for children, and one had to obtain permission on a case by case basis to implant a child, or the child had to be a participant in an experimental trial.

As the CIs improved, and childhood implantation was more common, my son became old enough to participate in the decision making process with me. It is not something we considered once, and then dropped. It is something that I have discussed with him over the years many, many times. As he got to be of the age where he could make his wishes known, he has never once stated that he wanted a CI. He is now 22, and he still has no desire to be implanted. That decision is his. If he were to decide tomorrow that the CI would be beneficial to him, I would support him 100% in his decision. He will be graduating college this spring, and when he enters the world of work, he may very well decide that the CI would provide benefit for him in this transition. If he decides such, I will be right there with him every step of the way. I have always believed that his deafness is his, and that he ha the right to decide how he chooses to live with it. I have never waivered in that belief, nor do I see my changing my mind on this fundamental principle at any time in the future. I apply that principle not just to my own child, but to all deaf individuals.

Given that my son is fluent in 2 languages, managed to develop excellent speech skills in a bi-bi environment, is graduating from a hearing university with (to date) a 3.2 GPA, is well adjusted and happy, I doubt seriously that given the same child with the same circumstances today I would do anything differently. Personally, I see that my decisions have achieved the goal I had...a happy, successful, well adjusted child who has confidence in himself as a deaf individual.

 

[jillio]

We both are speaking for Jillio lol.. (sorry jillio!)

That's great and I hope more people are like that, but see *lowers to a whisper* I get the feeling Jillio is tired of finding sources for people in the first place, so add on the "ug" factor of finding sources that she doesn't believe in. Not to mention the possibility of her finding information and releasing it here, and people can use it to support their views and arguing against Jillio.... so it can bite her back in the ass...

No problem. You and Hear Again can speak to me anytime you want, and if you make an error, I will correct you. No harm done.

I am tired of providing evidence for those who do not really have a desire to learn, but only a desire to challange me to locate the research. "Prove it" has been a challange thrown at me, and at Shel, and at many others, numerous times when the poster has simply run out of evidence to support their own claim. They cannot refute what we say, and all they are left with is "prove it." Despite the fact that we have done so on numerous occasions, the research was not read, and learning did not take place, because it was not the motive to begin with. The motive was to simply discredit me or the other poster that was challanged. And, no, I no longer have patience with that kind of behavior. It is a waste of my time and energy to engage in such pettiness. However, if one is truly interested, and wants the information for the purpose of informing themselves of a wider perspective, I will do what I can to assist that effort.