Parants of CI children.

[Smithtr]

my parents really am I was mainstream school..

 

[jillio]

Yes, I have chosen to do a modified version of AV therapy. That doesn't mean that every parent does or that is the "first line of therapy", I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.

It means that the vast majority of CI audis, and CI manufacturers, CI therapists, and CI surgeons recommend that a child not be exposed to any kind of visual communication following implantation. In fact, wasn't your child denied an implant by your first audi based on nothing more than the fact that she was signing, and would no doubt continue signing following implantation?

A "modified" version of AVT is no longer AVT.

If it weren't the first line of therapy, we would not see so many children with CIs restricted to an oral only environment.

 

[shel90]

Any audi who denies candicancy for a CI simply because the child will use ASL needs to have his/her license revoked. That's unacceptable and discriminatory but yet they get away with it. Sheesh!

 

[jillio]

Any audi who denies candicancy for a CI simply because the child will use ASL needs to have his/her license revoked. That's unacceptable and discriminatory but yet they get away with it. Sheesh!

Agreed.

 

[faire_jour]

It means that the vast majority of CI audis, and CI manufacturers, CI therapists, and CI surgeons recommend that a child not be exposed to any kind of visual communication following implantation. In fact, wasn't your child denied an implant by your first audi based on nothing more than the fact that she was signing, and would no doubt continue signing following implantation?

A "modified" version of AVT is no longer AVT.

If it weren't the first line of therapy, we would not see so many children with CIs restricted to an oral only environment.

Then no, I don't believe that most parents do AV with their kids. Oral does not equal AV.

One audiologist said that she believed that no one should be given a CI if they are not going to be oral only (again, not AV). She was against Deaf adults getting them too. She is a lone maniac. She was clearly out-voted at the CI committee meeting.

 

[rockdrummer]

It only makes sense that an oral approach would be taken if you are going to run the risk of surgery and incur the expense of getting an implant. I would imagine that speaking would be one of the goals. However, that doesn't mean it has to or should be the only approach.

 

[jillio]

Then no, I don't believe that most parents do AV with their kids. Oral does not equal AV.

One audiologist said that she believed that no one should be given a CI if they are not going to be oral only (again, not AV). She was against Deaf adults getting them too. She is a lone maniac. She was clearly out-voted at the CI committee meeting.

Stop and think, faire jour. What exactly does oral mean?

 

[jillio]

It only makes sense that an oral approach would be taken if you are going to run the risk of surgery and incur the expense of getting an implant. I would imagine that speaking would be one of the goals. However, that doesn't mean it has to or should be the only approach.

Speaking is only one aspect of an oral only approach.

 

[jillio]

Then no, I don't believe that most parents do AV with their kids. Oral does not equal AV.

One audiologist said that she believed that no one should be given a CI if they are not going to be oral only (again, not AV). She was against Deaf adults getting them too. She is a lone maniac. She was clearly out-voted at the CI committee meeting.

And how many parents simply go along with her because they are so anxious to get the CI that they will do whatever that particular professional tells them they must do?

 

[deafdyke]

A "modified" version of AVT is no longer AVT.

Agreed. AVT is basicly speech therapy 24/7. You're doing oral therapy with her, which is different. I think you mean you're working on trying to stimulate her residual hearing, using some techniques that are seen in AVT sessions, right? Just as an aside. It does seem from the "sales rhetoric" that auditory verbal therapists make it seem like the sense of hearing is completely seperate from the rest of our senses. Like they seem to imply that hearing people don't speechread or read lips. There are some sounds that can only be differeanted by speechreading......(gasp!)
Please please don't go overboard with the AVT. Yes, continue the formal therapy sessions.....AV therapists are pretty good at working with dhh kids to stimulate spoken language.....regular speech therapists tend to kind of suck since they don't have a lot of experiance in teaching dhh kids.

 

[dreama]

Any audi who denies candicancy for a CI simply because the child will use ASL needs to have his/her license revoked. That's unacceptable and discriminatory but yet they get away with it. Sheesh!

I agree. Making a deaf child with CI go without signing is like going sailing without a life jacket on.

 

[rockdrummer]

Speaking is only one aspect of an oral only approach.

I never meant to imply otherwise.

 

[jillio]

I never meant to imply otherwise.

Just reminding that oral only also involves receiving language through audition. Why ask a child to receive that which allows them to understand and relate to the world through their weakest sense?

 

[deafdyke]

also involves receiving language through audition.

YES. I don't get WHY AVT advocates are so obessed with NO visual/ alternative usage of anything besides residual hearing.
You know............if AVT worked, then deaf-blind kids should have learned how to speak better then "just deaf" kids b/c they didn't have the "crutch" of speechreading.

 

[~*Kaelei*~]

Honestly, If I had a deaf child... I would have my child get CI. However I will have the deaf child know the both world, Hearing World and Deaf World. I would teach the child the Deaf Culture and I would have the child communicate ASL, but I also would have the child be Oral as well. I just want the child to have all the opportunities, to have all the possibilities.

 

[deafskeptic]

Honestly, If I had a deaf child... I would have my child get CI. However I will have the deaf child know the both world, Hearing World and Deaf World. I would teach the child the Deaf Culture and I would have the child communicate ASL, but I also would have the child be Oral as well. I just want the child to have all the opportunities, to have all the possibilities.

Ditto here. I've never been for oral only.

 

[faire_jour]

Stop and think, faire jour. What exactly does oral mean?

The oral approach includes speechreading and sometimes cued speech. AV is unisensory.

 

[jillio]

And it also means being in the position of attempting to gain information through the auditory (weakest) sense without the benefit of readily available visual, contextual input. Speech reading is of limited benefit in a classroom.

 

[faire_jour]

And it also means being in the position of attempting to gain information through the auditory (weakest) sense without the benefit of readily available visual, contextual input. Speech reading is of limited benefit in a classroom.

And?

 

[jillio]

You have a question?