Parants of CI children.

[faire_jour]

AB's Advertising webpage??

Oh, wait...were you serious?

If you don't like my sources, find your own.

 

[jillio]

I'll simplify for you.

Deaf kids haven't heard before, they need to practice. That is what AVT is.

Thought you said that better audition was the goal. Better audition can be achieved without AVT. Better audition can be achieved with the use of supplemental skills and sign language. So, why is AVT the first line of therapy if the goal is not to make a child rely on audition alone for understanding and speech alone for expressive and receptive communication?

 

[faire_jour]

Thought you said that better audition was the goal. Better audition can be achieved without AVT. Better audition can be achieved with the use of supplemental skills and sign language. So, why is AVT the first line of therapy if the goal is not to make a child rely on audition alone for understanding and speech alone for expressive and receptive communication?

Better audition is the goal of a CI, not AVT. THAT is what I said.

 

[jillio]

If you don't like my sources, find your own.

It doesn't have anything to do with liking or not liking. It has to do with credibility. You want some stats that are credible, don't go to the manufacturer's advertisement. That ad is intended to sell.

It also kind of supports the idea that hearing parents will believe anything a CI manufacturer tells them.

 

[faire_jour]

It doesn't have anything to do with liking or not liking. It has to do with credibility. You want some stats that are credible, don't go to the manufacturer's advertisement. That ad is intended to sell.

So go

 

[Hear Again]

Yes, but the parent would have to notice this and stop using the CI, and take the child to an audiologist to have the test done.

CI users receive regular mappings. During the first year, it's every 2 days, then 2 weeks, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 8 months and 12 months. From that point on, it's every 6 or 12 months.

Furthermore, Cochlear and AB have a means of indicating that the processor is malfunctioning, so it wouldn't be difficult at all for a parent to notice problems with their child's CI.

Aside from that, if a child is in school (particularly a school for the deaf), their teachers can spot problems as well. Even if a child is in a public school, their teacher can always be taught how to identify whether or not the processor is working. It's not complicated at all to learn.

As far as babies crying for no reason, a parent who knows their child well will know when they are crying out of hunger, pain or otherwise.

 

[dreama]

Wether it is faulty hearing, faulty sight or faulty mobility my response is exactly the same.

A parent should focus on the child's strong points. Their working bit, not on their weakness such as limited sight, limited hearing or endless physyotherapy.

So the point about the cateract was made to suppose I would feel differant, but that isn't neccessarily the case. Some cateracts are actually left untreated. I see nothing wrong with this.

 

[jillio]

So go

What?

 

[jillio]

Better audition is the goal of a CI, not AVT. THAT is what I said.

Then why use AVT as the first line of therapy to achieve that goal? One can't just have a goal. One has to have the means to achieve that goal. Why is AVT the first line therapy used to achieve that goal when better audition can be, and has been achieved in many, many other ways and without the denial of visual cues that forces a child to rely on their audition alone?

 

[faire_jour]

What?

Go and find your information from a source you deem appropriate.

 

[Hear Again]

Wether it is faulty hearing, faulty sight or faulty mobility my response is exactly the same.

A parent should focus on the child's strong points. Their working bit, not on their weakness such as limited sight, limited hearing or endless physyotherapy.

So the point about the cateract was made to suppose I would feel differant, but that isn't neccessarily the case. Some cateracts are actually left untreated. I see nothing wrong with this.

What does focusing on limited sight, hearing or otherwise have to do with receiving a CI?

As far as my argument about cataracts is concerned, I wasn't talking about mild cataracts. I was referring to severe cataracts which I thought you already knew given the fact that mild cataracts are not operated on.

I did not bring up the issue of cataracts to make you feel "different." I mentioned it to draw a comparison between that and telling a child they can wait until they are older before receiving a CI.

By the way, I have juvenile cataracts, so I'm quite familiar with them.

 

[Bottesini]

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[dreama]

From that point on, it's every 6 or 12 months.

A small child can suffer a lot of pain in 6 months let alone a year.

 

[faire_jour]

Then why use AVT as the first line of therapy to achieve that goal? One can't just have a goal. One has to have the means to achieve that goal. Why is AVT the first line therapy used to achieve that goal when better audition can be, and has been achieved in many, many other ways and without the denial of visual cues that forces a child to rely on their audition alone?

Not everyone does AVT. There are very few AV therapists in the world.

I explained the idea before with an anology that you didn't understand. I have no more ideas to help you understand.

And if you are referencing the hand cue (in AV), it is only done at the very beginning and when testing.

 

[faire_jour]

A small child can suffer a lot of pain in 6 months let alone a year.

What kind of parent over looks that their child is in pain? Why would a CI be different than noticing they have an illness?

 

[jillio]

Go and find your information from a source you deem appropriate.

I asked you to support information that you were posting as fact. That is not unreasonable, and particularly so since you have repeatedly stated how well researched you are on the topic.

 

[dreama]

What does focusing on limited sight, hearing or otherwise have to do with receiving a CI?

Well you were the one who brought cataracts up in the first placed and fair jour felt they were releavent to this discussion and you agreed with her. I'm afraid your point was a little wasted on me since I don't agree with any prolonged and futule treatment to attempt to restore failing sight after a certain point has been reached. It's better to teach braille, mobility, long cane, sign language or whatever is neccessary. Whatever the ability. The parent should always focus on their child's STRENGTHS not their weaknesses.

By the way I wasn't neccessarily just refering to mild cateracts. I was refering to ANY cateracts. If a person felt the risk of glaucoma was too great and wanted to leave their child's cateracts in I would not think badly of them. After all their is nothing wrong with being blind, their is nothing wrong with being deaf, their is nothing wrong with being in a wheelchair.

So now we can go back on topic of CI's.

 

[faire_jour]

I asked you to support information that you were posting as fact. That is not unreasonable, and particularly so since you have repeatedly stated how well researched you are on the topic.

And I did, and you don't like it. So, get your own.

 

[Hear Again]

A small child can suffer a lot of pain in 6 months let alone a year.

And like I said, a parent or teacher can be taught to recognize when the child's speech processor isn't working.

There are also other ways a parent or teacher can determine a child's CI isn't working: lack of speech, the child going from being an active participant in class to suddenly very quiet and the child constantly fussing with the CI magnet and/or processor. As you pointed out, most deaf children are not 100% deaf, so they will have some capacity to describe what they are hearing (or aren't hearing as the case may be). Even if they don't understand what they are hearing, a child (who had some residual hearing prior to CI) can still tell the difference between sound and no sound or clarity vs. distortion. Children are much smarter than you think. If their CI isn't working or is too loud, distorted, painful, etc. they aren't going to sit back and say nothing. They're going to indicate that to their parents and/or teacher in some way whether it be through behavioral means or otherwise.

 

[jillio]

Not everyone does AVT. There are very few AV therapists in the world.

I explained the idea before with an anology that you didn't understand. I have no more ideas to help you understand.

And if you are referencing the hand cue (in AV), it is only done at the very beginning and when testing.

I did not say "everyone." I said a "first line of therapy." And you still have not answered the question. Including with the use of your analogy.

I will ask it again:

If "better audition" is the goal of the CI, why is AVT the first line of therapy for the majority of implanted children? You can give an opinion if you like. I am not asking for empirical evidence. I am only inquiring as to your line of thought on this contradiction.