Palin's book...#1 on best seller list..Kennedy at #7

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Dreama, is it okay to kill 14 wolves pups?
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Dreama, is it okay to kill 14 wolves pups?
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I'll let dreama answer that but I have a question you. Do you believe in population control? those 14 pups will grow up as wolves that can easily wipe out hundreds of preys like caribou, moose, and deers into extinction.
 
Jiro said:
I'll let dreama answer that but I have a question you. Do you believe in population control? those 14 pups will grow up as wolves that can easily wipe out hundreds of preys like caribou, moose, and deers into extinction.
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You got many answers from me in that 2 links, I provided toward Dreama and Reba at my post #79.
 
Liebling, you really need to stop using Hitler as your example in your posts. Killing wolves is not the same thing as torturing people in the name of genocide. I know it's along the same line, but it's still a false analogy. Please try citing ecology researchers, instead of fear-mongreling.

Now, Jiro, the thing is that they won't drive the caribou, bison, deer or elks to extinction. Why? Nature has a way of having ecological balance... If anything, overhunting the game animals is reducing the wolf's population (including bears and wolverines) as it is without even touching them. Contrary to popular belief, predatory animals rarely have an effect on the population of wild game due to their breeding cycle and the fact they are not driven by the need for pleasure-killing. Only exceptions would be with domesticated animals-- and the presence of pests (coyotes) due to the breeding cycle of those pest species.

Wolves, bears and wolverines are not pests. If the natives and Inuit can co-exist with wolves in the Arctic until early 1900s, then we can as well.

And if you accuse me of being a hypocrite for animal rights... this is not about animal rights-- it's about preserving the Pacific Northwest ecosystem so future generations can enjoy what we left behind; animal rights and conservation are two completely different things.
 
souggy said:
Liebling, you really need to stop using Hitler as your example in your posts. Killing wolves is not the same thing as torturing people in the name of genocide. I know it's along the same line, but it's still a false analogy. Please try citing ecology researchers, instead of fear-mongreling.
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I really have no idea why you misinterpeted my post. Its about AUTHORITZY to kill, not compare human being with animal, abuse, torture, etc.

Like what I said before that you are newbie since last July and don't know our posts in several threads for past years. Reba know what I am saying because she often use Nazi in debate threads.

Reba said that Hitler killed jews.
I said that Hitler killed the people.

Anyway, Reba kept on said that she did not shoot wolves in other threads to here but she did said that Hitler killed people when she know that Hitler did not killed the people. I remind her that Palin authoritzed her people to kill as the same as Hitler authoritzed his people to kill . If she said that Palin did not kill animal by her own hand then she also should say that Hitler did not kill people by his own hand.

I consider Palin and Hitler as murder, no matter either they kill or not because they AUTHORITZED their people to kill.

Get it what I am trying to say?
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* rolls eyes *

The fact you brought up Reba's history and the fact you brought up that I am a "newbie" implies that you don't have good debate tactics. I am well aware of what she has posted... and most people since 2005 or 2006. You don't bring up people's past like that. It's a fallacy.

The problem is that people have never considered animals and humans as the same, so you should never bring it up in a debate like that because it doesn't means anything in most people's minds. The topic of animal control has been around since the Middle Ages, it is only recently in 1960s that people started changing their views about the whole thing.

Hitler and Palin should never be compared. Two different subjects. And the fact you feel the need to use a poster's debate history in your own posts suggest that you are unable to curb them properly.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Dreama & Reba,
Palin authorized his people to kill wolves from helicopters.

Reba,
As what you say that Palin does not shoot wolves from helicopters then you also should say in several threads that Hitler does not kill people as well because you know that Hitler authorized his people to kill innocent people don't you?

Yes, I consider Palin killed animal the same as Hitler to people because it's them who authorized their people to kill .
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Again, this is the original statement to which I responded:

"Have fun reading a book about someone who is killing wolves from a helicopter for personal entertainment."
That says that she personally enjoys killing wolves from a helicopter. It says nothing about authorizing killing them. I never denied she authorized killing them. I do deny that she personally enjoys shooting them from helicopters.
 
Reba said:
Again, this is the original statement to which I responded:

"Have fun reading a book about someone who is killing wolves from a helicopter for personal entertainment."
That says that she personally enjoys killing wolves from a helicopter. It says nothing about authorizing killing them. I never denied she authorized killing them. I do deny that she personally enjoys shooting them from helicopters.
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:gpost:
 
souggy said:
* rolls eyes *

The fact you brought up Reba's history and the fact you brought up that I am a "newbie" implies that you don't have good debate tactics. I am well aware of what she has posted... and most people since 2005 or 2006. You don't bring up people's past like that. It's a fallacy.

The problem is that people have never considered animals and humans as the same, so you should never bring it up in a debate like that because it doesn't means anything in most people's minds. The topic of animal control has been around since the Middle Ages, it is only recently in 1960s that people started changing their views about the whole thing.

Hitler and Palin should never be compared. Two different subjects. And the fact you feel the need to use a poster's debate history in your own posts suggest that you are unable to curb them properly.
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I never said that Palin and Hitler are the same... Its about "authoritzy to kill" itself, I am referred to.

I don't know why you misinterpreted/can't see the logical. :dunno2:

Never mind... :roll:

Reba said:
Again, this is the original statement to which I responded:

"Have fun reading a book about someone who is killing wolves from a helicopter for personal entertainment."
That says that she personally enjoys killing wolves from a helicopter. It says nothing about authorizing killing them. I never denied she authorized killing them. I do deny that she personally enjoys shooting them from helicopters.
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Yes, I can see the point why you are try to say. Yes I have to give you right about this.

My point is why I consider Palin the same, no matter either she shoot to kill or not because she authoritzed her people to kill.

 
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kokonut said:
Kennedy killed Mary Jo and got away with murder.
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Wow. Aren't you the courageous one. Kick a dead man. He can't kick back. Typical school yard bully behavior, and to be expected from you.
 
shel90 said:
True..good point. Another could be is that she is a controversial figure. Their memoirs tend to sell fast.
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Or maybe people are just looking for a good laugh. :lol: I do hope her editors took the time to clean up her use of English, doncha know?:giggle:
 
Reba said:
:confused: When was Teddy really ever out of the public eye?

Books by and about recently deceased celebrities are always popular for a while immediately following their deaths.
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I didn't see a whole lot of the post surgery Teddy. He made a couple brief public appearances. What is your point? His book is still #7 on the list. Not like it is losing money for the publishers. Who would more likely have a book that the public is interested in: a man that was old and is now dead, or a young, attractive woman? This is America. We are subject to media bias. Perhaps you feel this is indicative of some sweeping Conservative movement. Hogwash. It is about hype. BTW, are we going to debate the REAL REASON she left office yet? Maybe to create more fervor for her soon to be released memoirs? She is a well oiled money machine. Has been since her nomination. Humors me to see the Conservatives aligning behind this inexperienced quitter. Also rumors of a reality show. Who are the fools here?
Lets get back to the real topic here....what about the huge deficit since Obama took office? :laugh2:
 
Obviously, she left to make a lot of money, get herself positioned as a recognized spokesperson for the conservative movement, and who knows exactly what her political ambitions are over the next few years now.
 
kokonut said:
Obviously, she left to make a lot of money, get herself positioned as a recognized spokesperson for the conservative movement, and who knows exactly what her political ambitions are over the next few years now.
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sounds like you know her personally. Did she tell you about her goals or plan?
 
dreama said:
Canadian government is also in favor of clubbing seals.
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Wow, what an uneducated post! You have absolutely no convincing proof for this claim.

As matter of facts, Canada outlawed killing baby seals called whitecoats and bluebacks in 1987.

Today, 90 percent of killed seals are done with guns. A few eastern provinces especially Newfoundland and Labrador wants clubbing sticks called Hakapik to be completely banned so they have talked with the Federal government to get it done. The sticking point is the natives because they do not want to lose some cultural values over the law.

You are firmly reminded that the seals are not killed for furs only!!! Besides fur, we use meats for food and oil for medicine. In addition, the seal population has exploded into around six millions from about one millions in about 30 years. They are one of the major factors that led to the near extinction of codfish and cod moratorium which nearly ruined the fishery sector in Eastern Canada. Therefore, their population has had to be controlled; otherwise, codfishes and other species will be gone fovever!

Did you know that Heather Mills McCartney, animal lover already killed a baby seal? Her ex-hubby Sir Paul McCartney and she went to the front near Prince Edward Island to promote the anti-sealing activities several years ago. They laid behind a baby seal and Heather pulled out one of her mitts to pet it with her bare hand. Then they left and the mother seal killed that seal pup marked with a foreign scent!

Let me remind you that I have been very familiar with the sealing industry where my friends and some relatives have been involved for a long while. We have been tired of lies and half-truths that the animal lovers use against us for the profit and attention.
 
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Her actions, words and activities indicate that.
 
SPCA have their own kind of animal control as well.

I'm not too fond of control animal by a helicopter. I prefer another method, and that is let people have guns (or bow and arrows) and if an wolf get in their land and attacking their babies , then they can use the gun (I doubt ANYONE is going to stand there and watch their child eaten by a wolf).


my hubby was attack by a dog when he was a baby. His mother kept telling me over and over again because she was upset that his grandparents let it happened (her in-laws) even though they did ran the dog off their land. he has a dog bit scar on his face.
 
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