Palin's book...#1 on best seller list..Kennedy at #7

[Banjo]

She doesn't kill wolves from helicopter. That's fiction and I for one don't believe a word of it. She's not vegan and she does believe in animal control methods that I don't agree with, but I don't know any politition who doesn't. Well their is Dennis Ketcher who is vegan, but nobody voted for him.

It really bothers me when nobody cares about factory farming and Vicisection which kills many more animals then hunting does.
Anyone who eats factory farmed meat is illogic to rave so much about Sarah Palin killing wolves. It's just plain humbug.

I don't know if Palin actually killed wolves from an aircraft, but I can tell you that it is legal in Alaska to do so. In fact, there is a bounty program where you can get $150 for bringing a hacked off leg from a wolf to the government of Alaska.

 

[dreama]

Kokonut never lets facts stand in his way, cowpuppy.

Neither does anyone else here it seems. If you believe what the press writes and some left wingers, then you will believe anything.

I used to be left wing myself but after all this sexist mud slinging and attempts to manipulate my concern for animal rights with false statements about Sarah Palin, I'm sadly put off.

At least Kokonut isn't taken in by all the mud slinging that has gone on about Sarah Palin by the press.

 

[saywhatkid]

It really bothers me when nobody cares about factory farming and Vicisection which kills many more animals then hunting does.
Anyone who eats factory farmed meat is illogic to rave so much about Sarah Palin killing wolves. It's just plain humbug.

Agreed, but don't forget people that wear leather or use down jackets.
Also, you might have been proud of the group that raided the University near here and released some lab rats. They were being used for researching Alzheimer's disease (something my family knows about all too well) This group of heroes bypassed the security system, liberated the rats, and gave them freedom in a field a few miles away. Unfortunately, the rats died within minutes; their vacation ended by extreme cold. All the research was lost. You might prefer that people learn to "deal with" various diseases, so that the mice can live free; the wind blowing through their hair, the sun shining down on them. When I look at my mother, and her mind is gone, I know I am not among that group.

 

[dreama]

I don't know if Palin actually killed wolves from an aircraft, but I can tell you that it is legal in Alaska to do so. In fact, there is a bounty program where you can get $150 for bringing a hacked off leg from a wolf to the government of Alaska.

I'm not condoning that sort of thing.
Thing is though, I don't know about any government that DOESNT practice 'population control'.
There was a petition not long ago to try and ban glue traps. When the critter gets stuck on a glue trap they generally stay there and die a slow and aganising death, yet our government think that's perfectly ok.

Canadian government is also in favor of clubbing seals. People seem to have forgotten about that.

No need to single out Sarah Palin, all governments support some form of animal cruelty or other. Since no government is yet to outlaw vivisection.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

She doesn't kill wolves from helicopter. That's fiction and I for one don't believe a word of it. She's not vegan and she does believe in animal control methods that I don't agree with, but I don't know any politition who doesn't. Well their is Dennis Ketcher who is vegan, but nobody voted for him.

It really bothers me when nobody cares about factory farming and Vicisection which kills many more animals then hunting does.
Anyone who eats factory farmed meat is illogic to rave so much about Sarah Palin killing wolves. It's just plain humbug.

Alaskans have reported seeing her in helicopters hunting moose and wolves.

Factory farming and hunting predatory animals are not the same thing. Factory farming is basically raising an animal, then using them for human benefits. Hunting predatory animals, on the other hand, destroy the local ecosystem and its hierarchy in order to make farmers and hunter shappy.

 

[dreama]

Agreed, but don't forget people that wear leather or use down jackets.
Also, you might have been proud of the group that raided the University near here and released some lab rats. They were being used for researching Alzheimer's disease (something my family knows about all too well) This group of heroes bypassed the security system, liberated the rats, and gave them freedom in a field a few miles away. Unfortunately, the rats died within minutes; their vacation ended by extreme cold. All the research was lost. You might prefer that people learn to "deal with" various diseases, so that the mice can live free; the wind blowing through their hair, the sun shining down on them. When I look at my mother, and her mind is gone, I know I am not among that group.

I don't wear leather, fur, silk, down, or wool. I don't eat meat, dairy, eggs or Honey and avoid animal tested products when I can.

You don't have to torture animals to study Alziemers. You can do it other ways. With more up to date methods that produce better results.

All this is getting very off topic. You think there is a reason for torturing animals in laboritory.

Sarah Palin probably thinks there is a reason for wolf control. Neither are acceptable, but on the same token you either support animal cruelty or you don't.
To condone vivisection and then go raving about wolves being killed seems hypocritical to me.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Canadian government is also in favor of clubbing seals. People seem to have forgotten about that.

That, I am iffy about, everytime Canada move toward doing something about that, the natives protest saying that it violates their traditional and cultural rights.

 

[Banjo]

Canadian government is also in favor of clubbing seals. People seem to have forgotten about that.

I don't support the hunt because it is being paid by for by the taxpayers. They account for very little amount of the economy in Canada. In truth, we pay more than what they are worth. I believe we subsided at a total of $30 million while it only brought in 6 million as a result.

Besides, seals are incredibly vicious animals, but wolves can be vicious too. Regardless, I don't support either programs. Although it should be fair to mention that the human beings can be and are vicious too as well.

Population control is a term they use to avoid the blame for overpopulation.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

To condone vivisection and then go raving about wolves being killed seems hypocritical to me.

Anima cruelty and environmentalism are two different topics. They may share the same context of having animals involved, but the concerns are for different reasons.

 

[dreama]

Alaskans have reported seeing her in helicopters hunting moose and wolves.

Factory farming and hunting predatory animals are not the same thing. Factory farming is basically raising an animal, then using them for human benefits. Hunting predatory animals, on the other hand, destroy the local ecosystem and its hierarchy in order to make farmers and hunter shappy.

You are right, they aren't the same. Factory farming is much much worse.

Factory farming involves cramming animals into small cages. They are given a lot of antibiotics. At least the wolves live a good life before being shot down, whereas factory farmed animals suffer their whole life long just so we can eat enough meat to give us heart disease. Plus all the chemicals these animals get given. It's really really cruel for the animals. Not only that but it is also bad for the environment. The rivers get polluted by the amount of waste, and we get lots of things like the new pig flu and bird flu. Plus food poisoning too.

 

[dreama]

Anima cruelty and environmentalism are two different topics. They may share the same context of having animals involved, but the concerns are for different reasons.

True, but factory farming is worse for the environment then hunting is.

 

[saywhatkid]

I don't wear leather, fur, silk, down, or wool. I don't eat meat, dairy, eggs or Honey and avoid animal tested products when I can.
I am aware of what vegan means.

You don't have to torture animals to study Alziemers. You can do it other ways. With more up to date methods that produce better results.
No idea if there was torture involved with the Alzheimer's study.

All this is getting very off topic.
True. Perhaps we can steer this topic towards the current deficit, which is increasing mega-fold since Obama was elected :roll:

Sarah Palin probably thinks there is a reason for wolf control. Neither are acceptable, but on the same token you either support animal cruelty or you don't.
Basically, Palin is looking to favor hunting in general; killing animals for sport. This would do little to help medicine find cures to disease. Note the timing of her "skipping out on her job" with a book released within weeks.

To condone vivisection and then go raving about wolves being killed seems hypocritical to me.
I have seen the movies of blowtorching live pigs to test burn ointments, etc. Some of it is horrific. I don't support or criticizing the wolf thing, since that is not my location. Each part of the world makes decisions that are localized.

I don't mean to pick on you here. The animal research thing touches a nerve with me today. Sorry.

 

[Banjo]

True, but factory farming is worse for the environment then hunting is.

Actually, that's true. Land erosion is quite a big problem where the farming factories are. In fact, they pollute the water too as well. It's not natural to keep thousands and thousands of animals in a contained building or pen where they don't have the space to move around.

 

[Reba]

Have fun reading a book about someone who is killing wolves from a helicopter for personal entertainment.

OK, this is like my tenth post dispelling that falsehood. Palin does not shoot wolves from helicopters.

 

[saywhatkid]

OK, this is like my tenth post dispelling that falsehood. Palin does not shoot wolves from helicopters.

Well done.

 

[Banjo]

OK, this is like my tenth post dispelling that falsehood. Palin does not shoot wolves from helicopters.

Regardless, she is a big supporter of hunting from an aircraft. That's just as bad.

 

[dreama]

I don't support the hunt because it is being paid by for by the taxpayers.

So does factory farming and vivisection.

I'm not trying to condone animal control, but all governments do it. I don't know a government who is not trying to 'control' one form of wild life or other. I don't agree with it, but neither will I single out a polutition who does. If I had to write off everyone I knew who wasn't vegan, I'd be writing off a hell of a lot of people.

Sorry Kokonut, for higaking your thread, but It bothers me when people rave about Sarah Palin's animal rights records while eating factory farmed meat and supporting unethnical practices.

 

[Reba]

Alaskans have reported seeing her in helicopters hunting moose and wolves....

Documentation please.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

dreama, I am not even sure why you even brought up the topic of livestocks and animal testing in response to concerns about ecology. I know a lot of professors who are studying ecology and are protesting government and businesses that are promoting these kind of things, yet you are calling them hypocrites for not being a vegan? It's apples and oranges here.

Documentation please.

Will do. See ya in a bit... as soon I figure out where the online archives for 2007 and 2008 for those sources are.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Documentation please.

Lots of personal anecdotes, but forum and blog comments don't necessarily means anything. That, and kayakers and backpackers seem to really like propaganda websites. I am depressed now though in regard what I did find.

Found out about the sea otter hunt (approved by Campbell... bloody), and the big questioning about the Pebble Mine at Bristol Bay (which will lead to the destruction of an important sockeye salmon spawn site). To give dreama context... Pacific Northwesterners (Oregon, Washington, B.C. and Alaska) tend to be protective of their environment since it's a large part of our tourism appeal. Plus, many of us hike or kayak, so we tend to frown on hunting and human developments since we want to preserve what is left of the fragile coast, and its wildlife so that future generations can enjoy their beauty.

Major depressed now.