Original Sin

[christlovedeaf]

They were "married"? by whom? it didnt say that in the Bible. I know
that sex between married people is not a sin, duh.
I thought Adam and Eve didnt have sex AFTER they disobeyed God,
that is my understanding. I thought they were virgins until after the
fact. Now im confused..I need to do some more research.

HEHEH, yeah, sometimes its tricky by overlooking it. This one thing, hahaha, in Bible study, I never forget. Talking about David and King Saul, by saying David was hiding in the cave, because King Saul was looking for him to kill him, and saying while David was hiding, and King Saul going to bathroom where David is, and I said, what, it's in the Bible? She said yes, so shown me, by the word of "body waste" mean bathroom, lol. There are many things, the more you read the Bible, you will pick up more where you overlook. It is interesting.

 

[Yiffzer]

I agree. It gets confusing for the rest of us. If he says read Jordan's post, and we don't see any posts by a "Jordan" we're lost.

For the sake of easy reading and quick reference, y'all please stick to the names used by the posters.

Jordan is known as RITCount and SyrOrange.

 

[Yiffzer]

Yeah, but the apple became so common in several biblical stories, it is easy to make people believe it is an apple.

The links just argues the semantics of the story and that it is widely believed that it was an apple.

So does it make it an apple?

 

[Yiffzer]

The jews for pardoned for their sins is thru sacrifice till when Jesus left Heaven to become human like us as a final sacrifice after Jesus said, it is finished.

Can you elaborate more on the concept of sacrificing?

 

[christlovedeaf]

Can you elaborate more on the concept of sacrificing?

Well, like I mentioned and even Reba, others explained that, numerous of times. Thoughout the OT sacrificing, what God had planned and the question to ask you, why does God require for them to sacrifice?

 

[Yiffzer]

Well, like I mentioned and even Reba, others explained that, numerous of times. Thoughout the OT sacrificing, what God had planned and the question to ask you, why does God require for them to sacrifice?

I'm sorry. Please link me to those posts that Reba and others have made about sacrifice. Thanks!

 

[christlovedeaf]

I'm sorry. Please link me to those posts that Reba and others have made about sacrifice. Thanks!

its gonna take forever for me to look for it. it's more like repeating. and Reba, HELP!!!!, do you remember where that be?

 

[Blade Runner]

So does it make it an apple?

There are several illustrations that point to the fruit being red. What fruit is red? Apple, that's what.

 

[Blade Runner]

They were "married"? by whom? it didnt say that in the Bible. I know
that sex between married people is not a sin, duh.
I thought Adam and Eve didnt have sex AFTER they disobeyed God,
that is my understanding. I thought they were virgins until after the
fact. Now im confused..I need to do some more research.

Exactly, That's what I believed as well because they were clearly virgins.

 

[Yiffzer]

There are several illustrations that point to the fruit being red. What fruit is red? Apple, that's what.

Where is the illustration?

Apples are also green.

What fruits are red? Cherries, Strawberries, Tomatoes, Grapes, Pomegranates, and so on. There are plenty of fruits that are red.

 

[Blade Runner]

Where is the illustration?

Apples are also green.

What fruits are red? Cherries, Strawberries, Tomatoes, Grapes, Pomegranates, and so on. There are plenty of fruits that are red.

The illustrations did note a green leave on the Apple. What fruit that has a leave when plucked off a tree? Apples.

 

[Blade Runner]

Because you were banned.



Okay, I'll refer you as RITCount from now on.

No, I could have asked them to reinstate the old username, but I chose not to because I wanted a new username.

Many of the original members of AD were banned, yet they return under a new account.

 

[DreamDeaf]

MOD NOTE:

I was warned about this thread being hijacked - and indeed, it has.

The original top was about Original Sin and I will quote the original post here:

Christians, I wish to understand from Christianity's point of view of how and why original sin makes proper sense besides the fact that we all sin. My biggest concern with the original sin is that by rule/law, it also considers babies as sinners too. What justification is there for a baby to be a considered a sinner? If the baby is a sinner, what sins would a baby commit? Please share your thoughts.

Now, inserting the comments about Adam and Eve, the Forbidden Fruit, and the meaning of marriage was allowed, as it was almost in keeping with the original intent. However, naming people by first names, former screen names, outing them as banished members consistutes as thread hijacking.

In other words, Rule #2 was broken over and over. I am quoting it from the Forum Rules:

3.) NO TROLLING. A troll is someone who provokes members into flaming discussions by posting outrageous messages, and usually ends with name callings and flame wars.

In this respect, outing members by their old screen names and revealing that they were banned, could be considered "trolling."

Warnings will be meted out - and the moderator team will be notified.

 

[xentar]

oooooohh.... someone's getting in ttrrrouuuubbbllleeeeeeee.


...Does getting a warning includes having our parents notified as well?

 

[Maria]

oooooohh.... someone's getting in ttrrrouuuubbbllleeeeeeee.


...Does getting a warning includes having our parents notified as well?

Naw ...notify Bill Gates !
He owned Microsoft ......

 

[Yiffzer]

The illustrations did note a green leave on the Apple. What fruit that has a leave when plucked off a tree? Apples.

Grapes also have green leaves that surround them.

Wikipedia has this to say:

Popularly, the fruit has been identified as an apple (perhaps as a Latin pun of 'malus' sounding like 'evil' and 'apple'), although the Bible does not identify the fruit as an apple. Judaism teaches that the fruit may have been either grape, fig, wheat, or citron. In recent years, some researchers are supporting the fact that the forbidden fruit is actually a pomegranate, from the supposed location of the Garden of Eden.

So apparently it could be anything. The popular "illustration" of an apple is not an absolute fact.

I've asked this before and I ask again:

Where is the illustration?

 

[Blade Runner]

Grapes also have green leaves that surround them.

Wikipedia has this to say:

Popularly, the fruit has been identified as an apple (perhaps as a Latin pun of 'malus' sounding like 'evil' and 'apple'), although the Bible does not identify the fruit as an apple. Judaism teaches that the fruit may have been either grape, fig, wheat, or citron. In recent years, some researchers are supporting the fact that the forbidden fruit is actually a pomegranate, from the supposed location of the Garden of Eden.

So apparently it could be anything. The popular "illustration" of an apple is not an absolute fact.

I've asked this before and I ask again:

Where is the illustration?

You didn't ask me that question. Go ahead. Check your back posts.

 

[Yiffzer]

I asked the question already.

 

[Yiffzer]

I did ask you where the illustration is. I already linked it.

You've shown me two links and to be honest, neither of these illustrations clearly show that it was an apple. It is pretty vague. In one of those picture, it looks like a pomegranate. Whatever the case may be, these illustrations may be meant to depict the idea of the fact that fruit was there. The illustrator(s) may have not meant to depict that it was an apple.

Even still, it is not exactly Biblical to call it an apple because the bottom line is that it is still an unnamed fruit with vague references of what it actually is.

You may have your own definition of original sin, but it is not the Biblical definition of original sin. If you'd like, present your own definition of original sin and I will analyze it. If you'd also like, critique my presented problems that I believe is to be the case with the concept of original sin. Thanks.

 

[Blade Runner]

I did ask you where the illustration is. I already linked it.

You've shown me two links and to be honest, neither of these illustrations clearly show that it was an apple. It is pretty vague. In one of those picture, it looks like a pomegranate. Whatever the case may be, these illustrations may be meant to depict the idea of the fact that fruit was there. The illustrator(s) may have not meant to depict that it was an apple.

Even still, it is not exactly Biblical to call it an apple because the bottom line is that it is still an unnamed fruit with vague references of what it actually is.

You may have your own definition of original sin, but it is not the Biblical definition of original sin. If you'd like, present your own definition of original sin and I will analyze it. If you'd also like, critique my presented problems that I believe is to be the case with the concept of original sin. Thanks.

Yeah but do you agree that it is a general belief that it was an apple? Remember most illustrators believed it was the most common fruit.

Original sin, to me is doing something wrong after have eaten the fruit. Remember they did something that warranted getting kicked out of the Garden of Eden.