Yiffzer...You blame me for not reading carefully..apparently you have the same affliction, *sigh*
Where have I blamed you for not reading carefully in this thread? Please don't attack me.
...anyway, I, and as well, other Christians HAVE ALREADY told you that ALL of us, that includes, you too were born sinners, so that means ALL BABIES whether they understand or not, they still sin.
Where have I denied that? I actually pointed out that I did understand that.
I understand that we all sin, sometimes unknowingly, even by ignorance. However, if we did not know it was a sin, we would not be held accountable.
Being fairly blunt, it is not me but others that can not read or understand. For example, I asked this:
I have asked earlier to show me verses where Jesus had said anything about original sin.
And Cheri quoted Romans 5:12:
Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world and by sin death: and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.
Cheri failed to understand my question.
Some churches like Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, etc. baptize babies because as sinners, babies need what baptism offers; John 3:5-6. No one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the spirit gives birth to spirit.
Even that is debated amongst denominations. Apparently some Christians here do not believe baptism is "all that". I will bring up possibly three problems with the concept of baptism.
The first problem is that
baptism, like
original sin, was introduced by Paul. Paul linked baptism with original sin. Since I already presented problems with original sin (which no one has directly addressed yet), it is also difficult to trust baptism as a Biblical concept.
The second problem is that Jesus never spoke of baptism or defined baptism like Paul did. Paul defined baptism as:
"Are you ignorant of the fact that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were buried therefore with Him by the baptism into death, so that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious [power] of the Father, so we too might [habitually] live and behave in newness of life." (Romans: 6:3-4)
However, Jesus did go through the water but only for purification purposes:
It happened in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by John. On coming up out of the water he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit, like a dove, descending upon him. And a voice came from the heavens, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased." (Mark 1:9-11)
How do we know baptism is purification? It is supported by the Old Testament. Numbers 19:1-22 explain indepthly of the purpose and how to purify oneself. For example, this portion explains that water is for the purpose of purifying from sin:
"A man who is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer and put them in a ceremonially clean place outside the camp. They shall be kept by the Israelite community for use in the water of cleansing; it is for purification from sin. The man who gathers up the ashes of the heifer must also wash his clothes, and he too will be unclean till evening. This will be a lasting ordinance both for the Israelites and for the aliens living among them." (Numbers 19:9-10)
The third problem is that even though babies were baptized, they would still not know what baptism is. Would they be accountable for not being baptized? What justification is there to let babies burn in hell for something they are unable to get or do? This is what makes the concept of original sin and baptism flawed.
Babies also are able to have faith!
How so? That's a pretty wild assumption. My argument is that you can not have faith the moment you were born; you can only learn it.
