Oral school

[shel90]

But you didn't give options to compare English. Why not also ask "Is using Spanish/Chinese a risk for hearing kids in American public schools compared to English?"

Everything has a risk. It just seems like a lot of people in AD give me the idea that going to a deaf school has absolutely no risk at all. That is the ONLY thing any parent should do to "play it safe".

How can any languages be a risk?


In many other countries, children grow up learning multiple languages so I dont see how languages put children at risk.

Not having full access to language is putting children at risk. That's where my beliefs come from.

 

[Daredevel7]

How can any languages be a risk?


In many other countries, children grow up learning multiple languages so I dont see how languages put children at risk.

Not having full access to language is putting children at risk. That's where my beliefs come from.

So you agree with my general consensus, then?
Going to a deaf school: Relatively no risk.

 

[Cheri]

Again...ASL is NOT a teaching tool....

If ASL isn't a teaching tool, then explain this to me,

Why there are some deaf people that writes in ASL?

 

[shel90]

If ASL isn't a teaching tool, then explain to me why there are some deaf people out there that writes in ASL?

Why are there deaf people out there who were raised with ASL butwrite good English?

Why are there hearing people who cant read and write?

If u have the answer to that then u got your answer to your question.

 

[darkage]

My wife grew up in Italy and Colombia. She never learned sign language until she was almost 30 years old. First time learn sign language and english when she lives in Rochester, NY.

My wife and her mom explained me that Italian or spanish is easier to learn in oral better than English. English is most difficult. Her lipread in italian or spanish. She has excellent speak and lip reading in Italian or Spanish. She is not very good speak in english because vowel long or short in a,e,i,o,u.
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Recently, I asked her..... Do you prefer send deaf kid to oral school or deaf school in the USA?
She answered my question. She prefer send deaf kid to deaf school which has sign language include speech therapist. English and French are most difficult for deaf.

 

[Daredevel7]

Recently, I asked her..... Do you prefer send deaf kid to oral school or deaf school in the USA?
She answered my question. She prefer send deaf kid to deaf school which has sign language include speech therapist. English and French are most difficult for deaf.

Do deaf schools usually have speech therapists? I'm genuinely asking.

 

[darkage]

Just so I get a better picture of how deaf people think of schools here in AD:

There are always exceptions to the rule, but I am talking generally..
Mainstream: High risk of lack of social interaction, some risk of education delays due to not being able to understand everything.
Oral School: High risk of education delays due to both not able to understand everything and strong focus on speech.
Deaf School (uses ASL): No risk.

Is that more or less the general consensus?

I agree with her.

When, I was student at NTID and RIT.
Deaf students came from deaf families and deaf school. They have success in college better than deaf kids from mainstream. We were sick of very few oral students scream cry out to ask teacher's please repeat say because missing lip read.

 

[shel90]

You were a teacher for the hearing peers? I'm talking about hearing peers not deaf peers.

Yes for a VERY short time but are we talking about deaf kids here?

I don't profess to be an expert in the education of autism, blindness, deafblindness, or children with deviant behaviors. If an ADer who has a degree and personal experience in those fields, I would consider them as more of an expert than I am in those fields.

My experience is mostly deaf education both regular and special ed..meaning I have years of experience of working with deaf/hoh children who have no additional needs and deaf/hoh children who have LD, MR, behavior disorders, and life threatening helth conditions.

I use ASL but use different teaching methods to meet each child's learning needs.


Iam not certified in speech therapy and it would be unethical of me to use it while teaching. My job is to teach the curriculm to all of my students in the language that is fully accessible to them because I see what happens when they r denied that and I refuse to be like those who allow it.

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[Cheri]

Why are there deaf people out there who were raised with ASL butwrite good English? .

You didn't answer my question instead you just turned the tables over. I still stand by what I said, every child has different learning styles, some may thought ASL is a teaching tools, and may be why they uses ASL in their writing, while others do not.

Yes for a VERY short time but are we talking about deaf kids here?

You had started off with hearing kids in this thread, that's where my replies came from.

 

[Daredevel7]

Since I don't interact much with deaf people, can someone give me an estimate on what percentage do deaf people write in ASL? I already got an idea of what percentage of deaf people do well orally, and it's not much. So I just want to know if its a very small percentage of deaf people who still write in ASL or what. I just have no idea if its like 1% or 40%...

 

[Bottesini]

Do deaf schools usually have speech therapists? I'm genuinely asking.

Iowa School for the Deaf

Haven't you ever known anyone who went to a deaf school?

 

[shel90]

Do deaf schools usually have speech therapists? I'm genuinely asking.

Yes, they do...it is the law as put forth by the IEP and I am glad cuz I think that every child deserves an opportunity to develop oral skills and if those who do show signs of it, continue with speech therapy. Some children after years and years of therapy still r unable to develop them so it is up to the parents to discontinue with the speech therapy. I never make that recommendation to continue or to discontinue but I do share my observations in the classroom on how well the child uses it and it is up to the speech dept and the parents.

Currently I have 4 students who have excellent speech skills and when I am not teaching a whole class lesson, I use spoken English with them when working one on one with them if they ask me to.

They know that during whole class instruction, ASL is used and they have no problems with it. They have showed that they r comfortable with code switching. I think deaf children are amazing and I care about giving them the best education that is fully accessible to them.

 

[shel90]

You didn't answer my question instead you just turned the tables over. I still stand by what I said, every child has different learning styles, some may thought ASL is a teaching tools, and may be why they uses ASL in their writing, while others do not.



You had started off with hearing kids in this thread, that's where my replies came from.

In answer to your question..there is no same answer for to why every child whether deaf or hearing have good or poor literacy skills.

I suspect that it cud be due to them not having full access to language during their formative years but I would have to study each case.

Blaming asl is not the answer cuz if we did then we can blame English for hearing people's inablity to read and write.

Now, that kinda doent make snse, doesn't it but yet people comtinue to blame ASL.

We can't blame any language because language are they they r....languages, nothing more.

 

[Daredevel7]

Iowa School for the Deaf

Haven't you ever known anyone who went to a deaf school?

Nope, growing up all the deaf people I knew grew up orally and were mainstreamed. I'm meeting a lot more deaf people now but I feel weird if I just said "Hi, I'm Vicky. How are you? Did you go to a deaf school and have a speech therapist?"

I don't think I'd be very well liked....

 

[Bottesini]

Nope, growing up all the deaf people I knew grew up orally and were mainstreamed. I'm meeting a lot more deaf people now but I feel weird if I just said "Hi, I'm Vicky. How are you? Did you go to a deaf school and have a speech therapist?"

I don't think I'd be very well liked....

I think you have too many hearing people boundaries. It is usually ok to be blunt and ask if you want to know something.

If you said "man your speech skills suck, did you have therapy?" that would be bad but not just asking about what school is like.

 

[Cheri]

In answer to your question..there is no same answer for to why every child whether deaf or hearing have good or poor literacy skills.

I suspect that it cud be due to them not having full access to language during their formative years but I would have to study each case.

Blaming asl is not the answer cuz if we did then we can blame English for hearing people's inablity to read and write.

Now, that kinda doent make snse, doesn't it but yet people comtinue to blame ASL.

We can't blame any language because language are they they r....languages, nothing more.

I'm not blaming ASL at all, I did not say ASL is the problem to why people write in ASL, We all know that the use of ASL is completely separate from English, but the question is do all deaf children know that? maybe not all. Maybe they were not aware that ASL is only a visual communication language and may had thought that ASL is the language for the deaf to go by. We will never know the actual answer to that problem. But, I'm just throwing in what I think and I could be wrong. But, the truth is nobody has the accurate answer for that.

 

[Cheri]

Nope, growing up all the deaf people I knew grew up orally and were mainstreamed. I'm meeting a lot more deaf people now but I feel weird if I just said "Hi, I'm Vicky. How are you? Did you go to a deaf school and have a speech therapist?"

I don't think I'd be very well liked....

 

[shel90]

Nope, growing up all the deaf people I knew grew up orally and were mainstreamed. I'm meeting a lot more deaf people now but I feel weird if I just said "Hi, I'm Vicky. How are you? Did you go to a deaf school and have a speech therapist?"

I don't think I'd be very well liked....

Maybe not at the initial meeting but u can bring it up later.

Like Botts said, be blunt.

 

[faire_jour]

Anti spoken English? It is about equal access to language, information, and education...if some kids can lipread well but some dont , how does a teacher teach an effective lesson with a distorted model of both languages? Keep both languages separate and the only language fully accessible to all children is ASL. It is not about some kids getting more access to the curriculm than others simply because they have speech skills. That's denying some kids rights to the same access and many good programs wouldnt do that to any child.

It is about access to education! If the kids have good speech, they are getting services for those!

Speech does not equate to good education.

I'm not saying that they need to use spoken language as the language of instruction, but that it should be of value at the school. For example, at my daughter's school NO ONE, not even the SLP cares if the kids develop appriopraite spoken language skills.

 

[faire_jour]

Do deaf schools usually have speech therapists? I'm genuinely asking.

Yes, but you have to think about 2 things.

First, what kind of SLP will be hired at a Deaf school? Will it be one who works hard to make sure the kids are at the same level as their hearing peers in spoken language? Will they stay current with advances in oral deaf ed? Will they know how to work both with low functioning oral skills, and kids who are doing great? Will they have high expectations for ALL the kids in the program? Will they believe that the kids can actually learn to use spoken language, or will they see it as fighting a losing battle and that deaf kids can't learn to speak?

Second, can you really learn a second language in 20 minutes a week, or does it take constant exsposure? The whole point of an oral education is that the kids are constantly being flooded with spoken language. The best and easiest way to learn a language is immersion, so they are surrounded by spoken language, so that they will learn to listen and speak. I don't know what oral schools looked like 20 years ago, but today it isn't just one big "speech session". It is a lot like a hearing classroom, just with accomadations and teachers with a specialized education. The whole point of it is immersion, the more you hear, the more you understand.