Oral school

Is it ok?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 29.7%

  • No

    Votes: 31 48.4%

  • Maybe or sometimes

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • Total voters
    64
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Lighthouse77 said:
except it is hard to get a deaf person the same hearing level as hearing people. I did wear powerful hearing aids since I was 2 or 3 years old.
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I didn't say the "same as hearing" just the best they can possibly have.
 
faire_jour said:
Are you sure they don't get ASL at school? Our TC program used ASL, especially above pre-school.
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Yep, I am sure because their mother wants Sim-Com all day and all of their teachers are hearing. Their mother doesnt know any ASL at all.
 
Their mother probably can do SEE (or is it PSE?) instead of ASL. It is hard for adults to take what they learn and reverse it. she have spoken english for too long.
 
shel90 said:
Yep, I am sure because their mother wants Sim-Com all day and all of their teachers are hearing. Their mother doesnt know any ASL at all.
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I often SIM-COM ASL. It is bad english, but it gives access for sound and ASL. Not saying it is right, just that it is possible.

Oh, and why is it assumed that because the teachers are hearing that they can't be using ASL? My daughter's teacher is hearing and her ASL is amazing.
 
faire_jour said:
I didn't say the "same as hearing" just the best they can possibly have.
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That's what I believe in too which is why I advocate for giving every child all the tools rather than just one tool over another.
 
shel90 said:
That's what I believe in too which is why I advocate for giving every child all the tools rather than just one tool over another.
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But it is impossible in real life. I know tons of families who want everything but are unable to get it. Many of us want ASL and spoken language, but we are told we must choose.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
no, I mean I acknowledge the difficulties of living without visual aids rather it is notetaking, signing, body language, etc.

I just have a little pet peeve of those who think they have a perfect life in oralism.
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I can understand what you are talking about, and it's not first time I see this kind of incoherent statements from deaf people raised orally. It's sad that signers and oral deaf people keep on insulting each other, when it's the choices of hearing people that split deaf people.

A bit off topic perhaps, but in some european cities in the past, it was two kind of schools for deaf people. One kind was labeled "Idiot schools", where those who could speak attended. The other was "deaf and dumb" school, where those who was mute attended. I think most people on this board can figure out why they divided with the words "idiots" and "dumb".

My theory, is that we all are either idiot, or dumb, in the eyes of most hearing cultures. Successful oral people are sucessful idiots with an eccentric kind of intelligence. Sucessful native signers are dumb smartasses. I am a dumb smartass :)
 
faire_jour said:
Oh, and why is it assumed that because the teachers are hearing that they can't be using ASL? My daughter's teacher is hearing and her ASL is amazing.
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I agree..my apologies for not being more specific..what I meant that his teachers are all hearing and not fluent in ASL. That's what my friend told me.
 
faire_jour said:
But it is impossible in real life. I know tons of families who want everything but are unable to get it. Many of us want ASL and spoken language, but we are told we must choose.[/QUOTE]

That is what I am fighting against...It doesnt have to be that way and I am trying to educate that out there to different programs.
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faire_jour said:
But it is impossible in real life. I know tons of families who want everything but are unable to get it. Many of us want ASL and spoken language, but we are told we must choose.
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It isn't impossible really. You can easily have ASL at school and work on spoken English at home in the evening.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Their mother probably can do SEE (or is it PSE?) instead of ASL. It is hard for adults to take what they learn and reverse it. she have spoken english for too long.
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If u are talking about my friend who has the 2 deaf boys? She only knows a handful of signs..she cant even do SEE. She is deaf herself.
 
flip said:
I can understand what you are talking about, and it's not first time I see this kind of incoherent statements from deaf people raised orally. It's sad that signers and oral deaf people keep on insulting each other, when it's the choices of hearing people that split deaf people.

A bit off topic perhaps, but in some european cities in the past, it was two kind of schools for deaf people. One kind was labeled "Idiot schools", where those who could speak attended. The other was "deaf and dumb" school, where those who was mute attended. I think most people on this board can figure out why they divided with the words "idiots" and "dumb".

My theory, is that we all are either idiot, or dumb, in the eyes of most hearing cultures. Successful oral people are sucessful idiots with an eccentric kind of intelligence. Sucessful native signers are dumb smartasses. I am a dumb smartass :)
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LOL!

Not only that but the attitudes of the general hearing population have against those who grew up signing. I have had teachers tell me that because I can speak, I must be so smart and that they felt sorry for my brother because he couldnt speak. That kind of message brainwashed me into thinking I was superior than the signing deaf because I was raised orally.
 
Bottesini said:
It isn't impossible really. You can easily have ASL at school and work on spoken English at home in the evening.
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So ignore the child's language needs at home? If the need ASL at school, they need it at home. I don't know if it isn't the case in other people's homes, but in ours, parents are the primary teachers for children their whole life. We do science experiments, go to the zoo, talk about the stars...etc.

Plus, if we say "no signing at home" wouldn't that make her think that we don't value ASL or that it is "lower" or somehow less important than spoken language? Is that what we should be teaching her??
 
I think ASL should be done at home. It sadden me how people feel education is more important than communication. If a girl have a boyfriend problem, how can she tell that to her mother without feeling overwhelmed with lipreading and communication?
 
Lighthouse77 said:
I think ASL should be done at home. It sadden me how people feel education is more important than communication. If a girl have a boyfriend problem, how can she tell that to her mother without feeling overwhelmed with lipreading and communication?
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I agree. If the child uses a language, it needs to be at school AND at home. The idea of not communicating with a child in a language that they use is ridiculous to me.
 
faire_jour said:
So ignore the child's language needs at home? If the need ASL at school, they need it at home. I don't know if it isn't the case in other people's homes, but in ours, parents are the primary teachers for children their whole life. We do science experiments, go to the zoo, talk about the stars...etc.

Plus, if we say "no signing at home" wouldn't that make her think that we don't value ASL or that it is "lower" or somehow less important than spoken language? Is that what we should be teaching her??
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I use both with my son. Use ASL with voice off and then sometimes use spoken English without signing. Can u do that? Not as an insult but just asking if u are able to do that?
 
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