Oral school

[jillio]

No I meant a deaf school WITH the specific purpose of mainstreaming kids. To use specialized attention to get them age appropriate. I KNOW for sure that several schools do this.

Are you talking about a specific oral program that stated that as soon as kids were age appropriate, they were mainstreamed?

That more often has to do with the kids aging out of the program requirements than anything else.

 

[faire_jour]

I do not agree with this approach. I have never seen it in practice, at least not to my knowledge.

This is how regular schools approach the IEP process. You can not quailify until you are delayed and then when you become age appropriate again, you lose your services.

 

[shel90]

No I meant a deaf school WITH the specific purpose of mainstreaming kids. To use specialized attention to get them age appropriate. I KNOW for sure that several schools do this.

Oh right right...my son is in an ECI program for children who are speech-delayed. They said if he is caught up by his next IEP, he will no longer recieve their services and start kindergarden at the appropriate age.

Just never heard of a program doing that for deaf children because deaf children dont become "hearing" . Hope that makes sense?

 

[jillio]

This is how regular schools approach the IEP process. You can not quailify until you are delayed and then when you become age appropriate again, you lose your services.

If you are talking about the public school system, that is incorrect. Qualification for accommodation is not based on an evident delay. Just being deaf/hoh the only qualification necessry under PL94-142 and the ADA.

 

[jillio]

Oh right right...my son is in an ECI program for children who are speech-delayed. They said if he is caught up by his next IEP, he will no longer recieve their services and start kindergarden at the appropriate age.

Just never heard of a program doing that for deaf children because deaf children dont become "hearing" . Hope that makes sense?

Exactly. You are talking about language therapy or speech therapy that is applied for a limited period of time to bring kids entering school to the age appropriate skill level. That is an entirely different situation than a deaf child that qualifies for services based on the fact that they are deaf/hoh.

 

[faire_jour]

If you are talking about the public school system, that is incorrect. Qualification for accommodation is not based on an evident delay. Just being deaf/hoh the only qualification necessry under PL94-142 and the ADA.

Not in the state of Utah. The state laws say that a child must have a qualifying handicap AND a delay. We are working to get the law changed.

 

[rick48]

I searched for the first study by Basil and Quigley. It would cost $10 to obtain it from the JSHR so I went with the abstract. As stated in the abstract, the study, which is over 30 years old, does not involve ASL programs and their effect upon literacy but the influence of early language and communication environment on later syntactic ability. As such, it is hardly proof, let alone conclusive proof, of the effect of ASL programs upon literacy but it must be noted that the two manual subject groups out performed the oral groups on every test measure employed.

I read the second entry and it involved the personal observations by the author of video tapes of finger spelling to one child. It had absolutely nothing to do with literacy and is never mentioned in the article.

I will come back with the results of my search for the third item in a few days.

 

[rick48]

Isn't that exactly what Oral Only education does? Creates the condition of delay?
I believe you make a better argument for ASL than you think.

No, in our daughter's case our school district always provided the services she needed to reach and then maintain her level of academic success.

 

[Hear Again]

Oh right right...my son is in an ECI program for children who are speech-delayed.

Sorry for the off-topic post, but what does ECI mean? Early childhood intervention? <confused>

 

[Hear Again]

This is how regular schools approach the IEP process. You can not quailify until you are delayed and then when you become age appropriate again, you lose your services.

Really?

I've had IEPs during my entire public school education even though I was never delayed academically or otherwise.

In fact, my 2nd and 4th grade teachers wanted to advance me two grades yet I still had an IEP.

 

[Hear Again]

If you are talking about the public school system, that is incorrect. Qualification for accommodation is not based on an evident delay. Just being deaf/hoh the only qualification necessry under PL94-142 and the ADA.

I didn't see your post until now. for clarifying that Jillio.

I thought this may have been the case since for me my blindness was what qualified me to receive accommodations.

faire_jour: I really wish you would do more research before posting incorrect information because it's causing a great deal of confusion.

 

[Lighthouse77]

Really?

I've had IEPs during my entire public school education even though I was never delayed academically or otherwise.

In fact, my 2nd and 4th grade teachers wanted to advance me two grades yet I still had an IEP.

same with me. I was not delayed academically. In fact, I was put in regular classes with all other subject except English. It was until I was in 10th grade I went to a regular english class but with a special study hall.

 

[shel90]

Sorry for the off-topic post, but what does ECI mean? Early childhood intervention? <confused>

Yep...Early Child Intervention.

It is ironic that my son qualified for an IEP for speech/language delays but he was fluent in ASL by the time he turned 3.

 

[faire_jour]

I can not talk about all the other states, but at least in Utah, a child MUST have a delay to qualify for an IEP. I am very well researched, and I know how the IDEA is being applied to Deaf children in my state.

 

[Hear Again]

Yep...Early Child Intervention.

for answering my question, shel.

 

[Hear Again]

I am very well researched, and I know how the IDEA is being applied to Deaf children in my state.

No offense, but if you are well researched, why did you mention the "failure model" when it doesn't exist?

 

[Hear Again]

same with me. I was not delayed academically. In fact, I was put in regular classes with all other subject except English. It was until I was in 10th grade I went to a regular english class but with a special study hall.

Jillio clarified that one does not need to be delayed academically or otherwise in order to qualify for accommodations. I thought that may have been the case, but when I read faire_jour's post, I began to wonder.

 

[Bottesini]

I can not talk about all the other states, but at least in Utah, a child MUST have a delay to qualify for an IEP. I am very well researched, and I know how the IDEA is being applied to Deaf children in my state.

Could you provide an official source from the state of Utah showing when and in what circumstances a child will lose services?

 

[jillio]

Not in the state of Utah. The state laws say that a child must have a qualifying handicap AND a delay. We are working to get the law changed.

Sorry, but Federal laws supercede any state law. IDEA and the ADA are both Federal legislations. In order for a school to receive any gederal funding to supplement the state funds allocated for accommodations and special ed services for mainstreamed students, or for students whose home school pays their tuition to a specialized school, they must follow federal guidelines. Just like the NCLB legislation...it is Federal, which means that public schools now all must give proficiency tests in order to receive Federal funds, and they must be able to show, from those test scores, improvements.

 

[jillio]

I didn't see your post until now. for clarifying that Jillio.

I thought this may have been the case since for me my blindness was what qualified me to receive accommodations.

faire_jour: I really wish you would do more research before posting incorrect information because it's causing a great deal of confusion.

You are correct. PL94-142 (also known as IDEA) and the ADA both state that services are provided based on disability. None of the Federal statues mention any kind of "delay" as a qualifying factor. States must follow the federal statues as they supercede any state law that is on the books. State law cannot be used to keep from following the Federal law.