ok why do HoH or Deaf People Have poor Grammar?

jillio said:
That's an easy one. The "d" is next to the "f" on the keyboard.:lol:
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LOL! I was typing on my pager so very easy to make typos with a small keyboard!


As for poor grammar...I do not think of it that way. I find it amazing that many of us are able to communicate using English, a language that isnt fully accessible to us like it is to hearing people. Also, English is the 2nd language of many deaf people and I say GOOOD JOB to everyone whether their grammar is perfect or not!
 
shel90 said:
LOL! I was typing on my pager so very easy to make typos with a small keyboard!


As for poor grammar...I do not think of it that way. I find it amazing that many of us are able to communicate using English, a language that isnt fully accessible to us like it is to hearing people. Also, English is the 2nd language of many deaf people and I say GOOOD JOB to everyone whether their grammar is perfect or not!
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I agree! I know several ESL speakers whose grammar is actually better than many native English speakers I know. Likewise, some deaf who actually have better grammar than hearing.
 
jillio said:
I agree! I know several ESL speakers whose grammar is actually better than many native English speakers I know. Likewise, some deaf who actually have better grammar than hearing.
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And we all should be proud of ourselves even if our grammar is still not perfect. To come this far is a feat itself considering the facts.
 
Hear Again said:
Actually, a Deaf person cannot define how their needs are to be administered since they must be considered reasonable accommodations under the ADA.
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and just WHO decided what is reasonable accomodation? and how effective this is extremely debatable, this is raised alot in disabilty studies and i am inclined to their scholarly treatments of perceiving these matters. I KNOW what ADA is there for, and understand what form it takes, also I am aware of the man who was responisible for establishing ADA, he was hearing first, gone deaf, and survived (and still endures some) the mind-blowing tinnitus dredge (i have almost the same as he did, I'm not exaggerating here). To me, (and many other academics, whom i have read)Discrimination is one thing, but eradicating the kinked settings of how society tries hard to conceals their wishes to continue to ignore 'other people' that are forced to 'put up with'm but what's interesting is, WE have to Put up with THEM too !!, their lack of openess, and warmth to us merely as human beings is sadly not going to go away anytime soon. Turning the cheek doesnt cut it for me, i refused to be ruled, I wish to make my own life, and experience all the good things in what life has to offer, of course there are limits but NOT THE LIMITS THEY THINK FITS ME< I'd say Bullshit, thats not me.

Hear Again said:
As long as you continue to focus on the differences you have with hearing people, you only have yourself to blame for the distance that exists between you and hearing society.
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I DONT Have myself to blame for how society treats me differently, that is a bullshit psychological perspective, I dont believe in 'praising or blaming the individuals for their plight, id rather look to the outside social forces that sets us up , so it's contrary, blame or praise how society sets the rules.
That is a cop-out, giving in to the authority of abled-people's cosy denial-based configuration that is a one way of organising around the one-type of people.

Hear Again said:
Aside from that, deaf people aren't the only ones who are excluded. Many others are as well including African-Americans, gays/lesbians and those with non-Christian beliefs.
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Dont focus on what the others are doing, but we can learn from their experiences, but OUR experiences is NOT the same. They got better 'deals' because they speak and hear the same languages since the modes of thoughts are on the same 'levels' so they have their concerns heard. But for d/Deaf people its the way of life, way of being we can't alter ourselves (only to a point but you still remain as a d/Deaf person , now the hypocrisy to say i want to hear again but also want to be accepted in the deaf community is kinda inappropriate but let get pass this, the main reason why this sort of 'I need to have freinds there too' is simply a reflection of truth that we CAN NOT and EVER will be a hearing Person. But go back to beliefs, they entirety of being a Christian or whatever can be Left home and hence ACT professionally, but with a disability or deafness we can not. We have to be what we are being, that's what we are, regardless of how other people in society acts or conform to certain expectations of work-role, or community-involvement-role....

Hear Again said:
Deaf people are certainly not alone in their struggles. I don't mean to bring myself into this, but try being deafblind for a week. Then come back and tell me how it feels to not only be unable to communicate with others, but how it feels to have no (or very little) connection or awareness of your environment.
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I know that, we all know that. I am aware of it. I do already have a lifetime of some taste, i cant play sports as i do have a siginifant loss of sight in one, also suffering for the worse kind of tinnitus this itself is far worse than being deaf, I am bearing an isolation that puts me in an untold hours of misery that I'm getting old too young and really missing out. I absolutely hate it but theres sweet piss all i can do about it. With this experience, I may have as anywhere as 'bad' as you but I do know, i do know. Im like i have experienced being deaf all my life(oral, uses HA) then get my life swallowed up by the fricking unreal tinnitus, it changed my life forever, in a way it is similar to be 'late deafened' but there another horrible element added, i was never hearing in first place, and Never culturally Deaf either, so its like No-one has anything in common or nor want much to do with me. Im not stranger to this isolation of being deaf/blind, but im not deaf/bline but experience-wise i think i got a fair idea, and it arent fucking fun at all. sorry for my french but just emphasis.

Hear Again said:
Take a good look outside of yourself. You may be surprised at what you see.
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I do , all the time and i do look out side too, I may not look 'deep' by the ways i write in here in AD, but i am a serious sort of thinker at times. and i can get utterly frustrated at being unable to pull out my ideas/thoughts and often they are provocative thoughts, even 'misplaced' in the age brackets , as i am forever trying to 'fill in' those wasted years....in vain hope that i would somehow become a "full person' now so i would move on. but its so elusive that solidarity but I guess that's 'we all have that' but i beg to differ because we all have different expectations and differeiny degrees of how far is 'this' clarity must we have, for oneself. I dabbled Krisnamurti, Taoism, Buddism, Judism, Paganism, and the whole lot of other alternatives philosohies, and also 'taking a good look' at yourself is, from experience just another way to punish myself. I refuse to do that now, i have tried, and no im not going to let other people judge me by their standards, as my life is unlike anyones elses' as does for everyone elses too. Sorry i might tallk in riddles but im not.
It is getting easier, while living with the tinnitus is not, weird I guess for myself my whole life is fixated in a form of taoist 'automated balance of perspectives, experiences, and this continues to evolves as they both keep renewing and re-shaping how things and myself are seem from my own mind's eye.


Thats all for now.
Cheers
 
shel90 said:
LOL! I was typing on my pager so very easy to make typos with a small keyboard!


As for poor grammar...I do not think of it that way. I find it amazing that many of us are able to communicate using English, a language that isnt fully accessible to us like it is to hearing people. Also, English is the 2nd language of many deaf people and I say GOOOD JOB to everyone whether their grammar is perfect or not!
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:gpost:
 
Grummer,

I would rather not debate you regarding this issue. You see things one way and I see them another. Let's agree to disagree please. Thank you.
 
dreama said:
I've experienced that.
I've also experienced being bisexual, being half french at a time when people quite openly don't like the french. My mom told me to laugh it off. But It's no fun when people feel they can air their dislike of french people so openly.

I also experienced being a mildly deaf and autistic child. Being punished regularly and not understanding why I was being punished. One teacher found reasons to punish me practically every single day. Also being in a class where I was required to take notes and just not being able to. Or working hard to learn how to spell these french words. Then the next day the french words are all spoken instead of being spelt out in english on the blackboard. When I got upset I was sent to the PHU. I was told that if I was 'that deaf' I shouldn't be studying french in the first place. No deaf person should have to go through stuff like that.

So yes, while their is a lack of audiovisual feedback when you are completely deafblind with added misunderstandings of what your needs are and what you can and cannot do, I still find my life is better now then what it was like as a child when I was regularly being punished without knowing why.
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Back in college I wanted to take a basic Spanish class for fun. The Disability Services at my university (who provides ASL interpreters) told me I could not take any classes that weren't in English or ASL and told me I was to drop the Spanish class. I was upset and thought that was not fair because I took a Spanish class back in Junior High and my terp back then had no problem terping the class. Thanks to the Disability Services, I don't know much Spanish.
 
I did not learn any English nor any ASL until I was 6 years old. I learned LSM first because when I had just moved to Milwaukee from Colorado as a toddler my parents joined the local volleyball team (just as a hobby) and one other couple who were on the same team as my parents were from Mexico and had just recently moved to Milwaukee from Mexico with their children who were my age who were also both Deaf. (The parents on the volleyball teams would bring their children along and the children would play in a small area dedicated to just the kids). I met and ended up befriending those two Deaf girls and learned LSM from them. We would play together a lot. I knew no ASL at the time as I did not learn it until I was sent to the state school for the Deaf at age 6. As a result the first several years of learning English was quite difficult for me although I picked up ASL quite easily when I began attending the state school for the Deaf. I finally got the hang of the English language when I was in the 5th grade because I liked to read so much, I was a bookworm back then. I did not have good written language education at both WSD and public schools so it was all the books I read that allowed me to finally be able to master the English language. I still do have many language gaps and some delays. I have to constantly look up a word I do not know. I have since forgotten most of the LSM and since moving here from Milwaukee I've been relearning LSM as there is a lot of Deafies here that use LSM. I did not know any English until I was 6 because the oral early childhood/kindergarten I was in before I was sent to the state school for the deaf was very terrible, the teachers used to tie me to a chair and tape up my fingers to prevent me from signing. I still remember what they did to this day. I could not understand a thing. My mom did not know that they were doing this to me until another classmate told her parents and her parents called my mother. My mom was pretty furious when she found out, and as soon as the school year finished she pulled me out of the program and then she sent me to the state school for the Deaf when I turned 6. I guess I am just lucky that I can write as well as I do now.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
I did not learn any English nor any ASL until I was 6 years old. I learned LSM first because when I had just moved to Milwaukee from Colorado as a toddler my parents joined the local volleyball team (just as a hobby) and one other couple who were on the same team as my parents were from Mexico and had just recently moved to Milwaukee from Mexico with their children who were my age who were also both Deaf. (The parents on the volleyball teams would bring their children along and the children would play in a small area dedicated to just the kids). I met and ended up befriending those two Deaf girls and learned LSM from them. We would play together a lot. I knew no ASL at the time as I did not learn it until I was sent to the state school for the Deaf at age 6. As a result the first several years of learning English was quite difficult for me although I picked up ASL quite easily when I began attending the state school for the Deaf. I finally got the hang of the English language when I was in the 5th grade because I liked to read so much, I was a bookworm back then. I did not have good written language education at both WSD and public schools so it was all the books I read that allowed me to finally be able to master the English language. I still do have many language gaps and some delays. I have to constantly look up a word I do not know. I have since forgotten most of the LSM and since moving here from Milwaukee I've been relearning LSM as there is a lot of Deafies here that use LSM. I did not know any English until I was 6 because the oral early childhood/kindergarten I was in before I was sent to the state school for the deaf was very terrible, the teachers used to tie me to a chair and tape up my fingers to prevent me from signing. I still remember what they did to this day. I could not understand a thing. My mom did not know that they were doing this to me until another classmate told her parents and her parents called my mother. My mom was pretty furious when she found out, and as soon as the school year finished she pulled me out of the program and then she sent me to the state school for the Deaf when I turned 6. I guess I am just lucky that I can write as well as I do now.
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I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences at the oral pre school. I'm glad you met those other deaf kids and learnt LSM from them. How old were you at that time?
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
I did not learn any English nor any ASL until I was 6 years old. I learned LSM first because when I had just moved to Milwaukee from Colorado as a toddler my parents joined the local volleyball team (just as a hobby) and one other couple who were on the same team as my parents were from Mexico and had just recently moved to Milwaukee from Mexico with their children who were my age who were also both Deaf. (The parents on the volleyball teams would bring their children along and the children would play in a small area dedicated to just the kids). I met and ended up befriending those two Deaf girls and learned LSM from them. We would play together a lot. I knew no ASL at the time as I did not learn it until I was sent to the state school for the Deaf at age 6. As a result the first several years of learning English was quite difficult for me although I picked up ASL quite easily when I began attending the state school for the Deaf. I finally got the hang of the English language when I was in the 5th grade because I liked to read so much, I was a bookworm back then. I did not have good written language education at both WSD and public schools so it was all the books I read that allowed me to finally be able to master the English language. I still do have many language gaps and some delays. I have to constantly look up a word I do not know. I have since forgotten most of the LSM and since moving here from Milwaukee I've been relearning LSM as there is a lot of Deafies here that use LSM. I did not know any English until I was 6 because the oral early childhood/kindergarten I was in before I was sent to the state school for the deaf was very terrible, the teachers used to tie me to a chair and tape up my fingers to prevent me from signing. I still remember what they did to this day. I could not understand a thing. My mom did not know that they were doing this to me until another classmate told her parents and her parents called my mother. My mom was pretty furious when she found out, and as soon as the school year finished she pulled me out of the program and then she sent me to the state school for the Deaf when I turned 6. I guess I am just lucky that I can write as well as I do now.
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U have done a damned good job! U are fluent in 3 languages which most people in America arent. A big pat on your back!
 
Hear Again said:
Grummer,

I would rather not debate you regarding this issue. You see things one way and I see them another. Let's agree to disagree please. Thank you.
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Ok :) sorry I :blah: blah :blah: blah when i was :type: typed last night but cheers for that

Handshakes, no problems but yeah it is difficult for me right now too
Have a nice day graciously try be happy , it goes for me too. But yep I have a different outlook than most people
 
Grummer said:
Ok :) sorry I :blah: blah :blah: blah when i was :type: typed last night but cheers for that

Handshakes, no problems but yeah it is difficult for me right now too
Have a nice day graciously try be happy , it goes for me too. But yep I have a different outlook than most people
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No problem Grummer. I respect the fact that you have a different opinion. :cool2:
 
Hear Again said:
I think it has to do with a combination of what I've said as well as what you've said. Many Deaf people aren't encouraged to read. I have a Deaf friend who was required to read several books outside of her English class and she said this is what helped improve her vocabulary and writing skills.
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What about Cued Speech?
 
Angrybird80 said:
That's why Cued Speech is better than ASL.
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Show us NO BIASED research saying it's better. Yes, it's better then blocking the mouth. It might be a piece of the puzzle to get dhh kids using Phonetics. But, if it is the ANSWER then how come it is not used as a tool in public schools for hearing children to learn to read?
 
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