ok why do HoH or Deaf People Have poor Grammar?

Grummer said:
Interesting you say that, yes it is a 'widely known term' perhaps brought on about by the popular media, such as womens magazines, health magazines, and perhaps from the late 1970's when psychologist begin to simplfy and commercialise Abraham Maslow's concepts of needs. I would bet that prior the popularising of Maslow or Carl Rogers's ideas of self-actualisation (i am aware that american spelling is with a 'z' instead of 's') the popular belief or discussion of people's unhappiness would not have been concluded or be made with a link to with these ideas of 'needs', everything was in denial, perhap attributed from the 'denial generation' dating back prior the post-war boom period of the mid 20th century.

Yes we all have needs, but i refuse to use that term to describe what we 'need' because social administrators have long been technicalising our lives, thus making it more difficult. It has to stop, and start looking for alternative description and hence alternative process which we have formulated ourselves, not the overarching policy makers where Hearing people dominate.

I have to agree to disagree with you. But ok, i just prefer to think differently no harm in stating a different view here, afterall this is what one of the function of this forum is for, to splash down ideas and gathering new ones.
Cheers
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No problem Grummer. We can agree to disagree. :)
 
Hear Again said:
A Deaf person cannot ask for accommodations that are beyond what is considered reasonable under the ADA.

For example, they cannot request a terp and captioning for a medical appointment.

Similarly, they can't do this as a student since an educational institution is only expected to provide enough accommodations necessary for equal access to communication and classroom information.

Please do not take what I've said as a personal attack. It's clearly stipulated under the ADA.
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No, At first I thought you mean that the deaf person doesn't know how to define their needs. Thanks for clarify that for me.
 
OMG HearAgain is a necrophiliac! AAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKK!!!

just kidding.

This is a very interesting thread and has lots of useful information in it from all sides of the debate. I think between Jillio, Shel90, HearAgain, and Grummer I'm thinking they could probably write an entire curriculum of education that meets or exceeds todays standards for graduation as well as meeting the needs of deaf students.

Now as for dead students and children, hmmmm that's another thought to ponder....
 
Dixie said:
OMG HearAgain is a necrophiliac! AAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKK!!!

just kidding.

This is a very interesting thread and has lots of useful information in it from all sides of the debate. I think between Jillio, Shel90, HearAgain, and Grummer I'm thinking they could probably write an entire curriculum of education that meets or exceeds todays standards for graduation as well as meeting the needs of deaf students.

Now as for dead students and children, hmmmm that's another thought to ponder....
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I think it was Shel90. Hear Again just caught her. :P
 
Hear Again said:
try being deafblind for a week. Then come back and tell me how it feels to not only be unable to communicate with others, but how it feels to have no (or very little) connection or awareness of your environment.
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I've experienced that.
I've also experienced being bisexual, being half french at a time when people quite openly don't like the french. My mom told me to laugh it off. But It's no fun when people feel they can air their dislike of french people so openly.

I also experienced being a mildly deaf and autistic child. Being punished regularly and not understanding why I was being punished. One teacher found reasons to punish me practically every single day. Also being in a class where I was required to take notes and just not being able to. Or working hard to learn how to spell these french words. Then the next day the french words are all spoken instead of being spelt out in english on the blackboard. When I got upset I was sent to the PHU. I was told that if I was 'that deaf' I shouldn't be studying french in the first place. No deaf person should have to go through stuff like that.

So yes, while their is a lack of audiovisual feedback when you are completely deafblind with added misunderstandings of what your needs are and what you can and cannot do, I still find my life is better now then what it was like as a child when I was regularly being punished without knowing why.
 
dreama said:
I've experienced that.
I've also experienced being bisexual, being half french at a time when people quite openly don't like the french. My mom told me to laugh it off. But It's no fun when people feel they can air their dislike of french people so openly.

I also experienced being a mildly deaf and autistic child. Being punished regularly and not understanding why I was being punished. One teacher found reasons to punish me practically every single day. Also being in a class where I was required to take notes and just not being able to. Or working hard to learn how to spell these french words. Then the next day the french words are all spoken instead of being spelt on the blackboard. When I got upset I was told that if I was 'that deaf' I shouldn't be studying french in the first place. No deaf person should have to go through stuff like that.

So yes, while their is a lack of audiovisual feedback when you are deafblind with added misunderstandings of what your needs are, I still find my life is better now then what it was like as a child when I was regularly being punished without knowing why.
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<hugs dreama>

I'm sorry you've gone through all of those challenges.

I feel the same way you do. I'll gladly take deafblindness over the abuse/traumas I experienced during my childhood and teenage years.

Being able to unable to see or hear is nothing compared to physical and emotional abuse.
 
Hear Again said:
<hugs dreama>

I'm sorry you've gone through all of those challenges.

I feel the same way you do. I'll gladly take deafblindness over the abuse/traumas I experienced during my childhood and teenage years.

Being able to unable to see or hear is nothing compared to physical and emotional abuse.
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this true sticks and stones may break my bones but words will...break my heart
 
Hear Again said:
<hugs dreama>

I'm sorry you've gone through all of those challenges.

I feel the same way you do. I'll gladly take deafblindness over the abuse/traumas I experienced during my childhood and teenage years.

Being able to unable to see or hear is nothing compared to physical and emotional abuse.
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Thanks Lisa (hugs back)

I'm sorry you've had to go through so many bad experiences too.

In my case a lot of problems were due to the fact that my disabilities were so invisisable. I could obviously hear quite a bit but it was assumed I also understood everything what was said to me which wasn't true at all which is why I feel deaf children should never be denied a visual language. Even when it may not seem necessary (as it was in my case).

I also think that a child should never be punished without an explanation why in a mode of communication that is easily accessable to them.
 
dreama said:
Thanks Lisa (hugs back)

I'm sorry you've had to go through so many bad experiences too.

In my case a lot of problems were due to the fact that my disabilities were so invisisable. I could obviously hear quite a bit but it was assumed I also understood everything what was said to me which wasn't true at all which is why I feel deaf children should never be denied a visual language. Even when it may not seem necessary (as it was in my case).

I also think that a child should never be punished without an explanation why in a mode of communication that is easily accessable to them.
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I had similar experiences related to my hearing. Even though hearing aids and ear surgery were recommended for me at age 3, my parents' health insurance would not cover the cost. (I have no idea why.) I didn't get hearing aids until I was 15 and even then, it was only after one of my teachers called my parents to let them know that my speech was becoming more difficult to understand and I wasn't responding to my name when called in class.
 
I can relate to lack of connection to environment or others, to misunderstandings - while not deaf or deafblind - I was bullied physically and emotionally in lower school grades due to being in Ex Ed. which was an entirely separate building attached to the school, for speech and language. My mother did not believe - and does not believe - that I have LD. I had undiagnosed LD at that time and misunderstood a lot of things socially, and was most often totally lost in math and gym classes, and on the playground, where I didn't understand procedures/rules/spatial orientation of games and people assumed I did. I did not learn to count money or tell time til high school. I also started coming out as bi in high school.
 
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