Obama: This isn't your 'run-of-the-mill recession'

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If that is what the bill was about Hear Again I would agree. It was not when President Bush vetoed it and it is not since BO signed it in.

The SCHIP bill that was passed added a few children but digging deep in the actual language of the bill reveals that it will now provide free healthcare to adults - making 80+ a year and employed, illegal adults, and so on.

No one, Conservative or Liberal, is against helping poor children. We all should be against working our butts off to provide free healthcare for adults while we are paying for our own.
 
both plans suck as well.

You may be right, but I didn't mind receiving a $300 check last year. That money certainly came in handy for me -- especially being on a limited income.
 
Believe me, Conservatives were not happy with Bush over the first stimulus either. It isn't a matter of one President above another.
Both were wrong.
 
If that is what the bill was about Hear Again I would agree. It was not when President Bush vetoed it and it is not since BO signed it in.

The SCHIP bill that was passed added a few children but digging deep in the actual language of the bill reveals that it will now provide free healthcare to adults - making 80+ a year and employed, illegal adults, and so on.

No one, Conservative or Liberal, is against helping poor children. We all should be against working our butts off to provide free healthcare for adults while we are paying for our own.

Do you feel the same way when it comes to Medicare, Medi-Cal and Medicaid?
 
Believe me, Conservatives were not happy with Bush over the first stimulus either. It isn't a matter of one President above another.
Both were wrong.

Conservatives weren't happy with Bush to begin with. He was a Conservative Democrat and that's something they didn't like.
 
I wish I had more time, it is off to work and has to be my last post this morning :)

Do you feel the same way when it comes to Medicare, Medi-Cal and Medicaid?
I have no problem with the programs above if used by those who truly qualify for the benefits.
There is a lot of abuse in all of the above.
 
We're not economy expert either but we explained why it's BAD for us but you keep avoiding our question. you keep saying Obama's stimulus plan is good and even say "the ONLY hope" for America. Why do you think it is good for us?


Look, thousands people lost their homes and jobs in America. That´s what Obama is trying to do something for the people which Bush doesn´t for the past 8 years.

It explains why Obama is doing for America.

Final Economic Stimulus and Recovery Package - An American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan

No, I do not aviod your question... I DID answered your question that it´s too early for me to judge either Obama´s plan does work or not and told you why I gave Lucia right about her post.

Would you prefer to see your tax go to war than take care of your own country? That´s exact how Obama is doing.


 
I have no problem with the programs above if used by those who truly qualify for the benefits.
There is a lot of abuse in all of the above.

That's true and it's long overdue that the system be changed as it applies to Medicare, Medi-Cal and Medicaid.
 
Can you tell me how to improve the economy without Obama´s plan?

Why do you keep asking us to explain why Obama's stimulus plan will not work when you cannot give us a good reason why you think it will work. Beside it's already been explained several times -

cutting and/or repealing taxes can ALSO encourage people to PAY taxes. Ever wonder why there is tax evasion? offshore Cayman Island accounts? And yes more jobs can be created because small businesses won't have to cut corner. That's why I usually favor Republican approach in terms of commerce/economy. Mind you - I voted for Republican Congressmen/Senator for NJ but of course.... my state won't ever be a red state :lol:

better regulation, for starter. perhaps less tax. It's also Democrat's fault for this mess too. They are as equally corrupted as Republicans. throwing more money into current problem is the same as pouring water into a bucket with a hole.

yep I understand but it's not really a simple matter of "let's wait and see...." because if it doesn't work - we're REALLY REALLY REALLY screwed!!! :Ohno:

There's more thing to improve the economy than just for stimulus plan only.

http://demint.senate.gov/public/_files/2009-02-02_DeMint_Jobs_Plan_Summary.pdf

The DeMint Jobs Plan
“The American Option”
Nearly 18 Million New Jobs in 10 years


How it works:
1) Defuse the 2011 tax bomb: Stop tax increases set to hit the economy in 2011.
o Permanently repeal the alternative minimum tax once and for all;
o Permanently keep the capital gains and dividends taxes at 15 percent;
o Permanently kill the Death Tax for estates under $5 million, and cut the tax rate to 15 percent for those above;
o Permanently extend the $1,000-per-child tax credit;
o Permanently repeal the marriage tax penalty;
o Permanently simplify itemized deductions to include only home mortgage interest and charitable contributions.

2) Long term, broad based tax cuts for American families and businesses.
o Lower top marginal income rates – the one paid by most of the small businesses that create new jobs – from 35 percent to 25 percent.
o Simplify the tax code to include only two other brackets, 15 and 10 percent.
o Lower corporate tax rate as well, from 35 percent to 25 percent. The U.S. corporate tax rate is second highest among all industrialized nations, driving investment and jobs overseas. Lowering this key rate will unlock trillions of dollars to be invested in America instead of abroad.
o This is not only good economic policy, but a matter of fairness. No American family should be forced to pay the federal government more than 25 percent of the fruits of their hard labor.

The estimated effect on the American economy:

JOBS
• Nearly 500,000 new jobs created in 2009, and 1.3 million more in 2010
• A total of 7.5 million by 2013, in just 5 years.
• Nearly 18 million jobs created over the next 10 years.

HOUSING
• Residential housing investment would increase by $96 billion over 3 years, and $175 billion over 5 years. Commercial real estate activity would increase $120 billion over 3 years, and $362 billion over 5 years.
• $537 billion in new real estate and construction activity over 5 years.
• Lower interest rates – reducing taxes on capital increases the supply of money invested and lent, reducing the cost of borrowing.

AUTO INDUSTRY
• Between 2009 and 2011, total sales of new automobiles and light trucks would be $24.5 billion higher than they would otherwise be.
From the Office of Senator Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina), Senate Steering Committee Chairman
 
Would you prefer to see your tax go to war than take care of your own country? That´s exact how Obama is doing.

huh??? what? I can't tell Obama how I would like my tax money being spent on. Whatever Obama is doing with our tax money, it IS and WILL go into war effort ANYWAY. Afghanistan, remember? :roll:
 
huh??? what? I can't tell Obama how I would like my tax money is being spent on. Whatever Obama is doing with our tax money, it IS and WILL go into war expense ANYWAY. Afghanistan, remember? :roll:

That's right. Our tax dollars will continue to be applied to the war in Iraq until June, 2009 (if I remember correctly -- please correct me if I'm wrong) and Afghanistan indefinitely
 
That's right. Our tax dollars will continue to be applied to the war in Iraq until June, 2009 (if I remember correctly -- please correct me if I'm wrong) and Afghanistan indefinitely.

Not June 2009, withdrawal from Iraq war will take a year to be finalized.
 
I´m not an economy expert but all what I want to say is President Obama's stimulus plan is the only hope for America.
How? How is Obama's plan "the only hope for America?" What will the plan do?
You must have a reason.
 
While we don't know for certain whether Obama's stimulus package will help America, I at least give him credit that he is taking some steps to address the poor state of the economy. Doing something is better than doing nothing at all.
Not necessarily. Doing the wrong thing can be a lot worse than doing nothing.
 
Why is it wrong for Obama to create a stimulus package but it isn't wrong for Bush to have done the same thing? Aren't we being hypocritical by criticizing one President, but not the other?
To whom are you posting? I criticized Bush for his overspending and not reigning in Fannies. Neither Obama nor Bush has/had the right "plan."
 

Would you prefer to see your tax go to war than take care of your own country? That´s exact how Obama is doing.
Our tax money will continue to support the war during Obama's presidency. The "stimulus package" doesn't change that. The difference is, our money will support the war AND the package pork projects.
 
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