Obama & the Monkey Cartoon.

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I'm willing to bet that if people weren't offended by this cartoon, they likely weren't offended by the cartoon that caused an uproar in the Muslim world in regards to the prophet Mohammed or just about any other racist cartoon.
 
Sorry but i was making a statement that it applies to every one who are authors, cartoonist and reporters or whoever that leads us to fight each other over racism or so.
I am not up to fight here. *walking back and run away from this forum*

We know you aren't up to fighting on this forum but it shows how prevalent racism is in America regardless of freedom of speech, freedom of the press.
 
I can't respect racism in any form. And to attempt to soft pedal around it only allows it to continue.

Yeah. I don't tolerate racism either.

Basically where I'm drawing my line on this is the "sheeple" aspect you've once mentioned to me in the past on the forum. Can't force people to think if they don't want to.
 
Yeah. I don't tolerate racism either.

Basically where I'm drawing my line on this is the "sheeple" aspect you've once mentioned to me in the past on the forum. Can't force people to think if they don't want to.

This is not a matter of forcing people to think when they don't want to. It is a matter of speaking out against that which is inherently wrong so as to not be a party to it's continuance.
 
Yes, I am thinking the same as you, Byrdie714, Jillo, Brad & Daredevel7.
 
February 18, 2009 · The New York Post ran a political cartoon Wednesday depicting a chimp being gunned down by the police. As the chimp lies bleeding on the ground, one cop says to the other, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill."

The Rev. Al Sharpton and others reacted swiftly by saying the cartoon suggested a racist depiction of President Barack Obama.

But the New York Post is standing by its decision to publish the image.

The cartoon follows a recent incident in Stamford, Conn., where a chimp attacked the best friend of its owner and the police shot it to death.

The New York Post's editor-in-chief, Col Allan, issued a statement that said the cartoon is a clear parody of a news event.

In response to that statement, St. Petersburg Times media critic Eric Deggans tells NPR's Michele Norris that the conservative-leaning Post is "willfully ignoring" what may have caused the uproar.

The biggest proponent of the stimulus package is also the first black president, and "black people historically have been depicted as apes and in simian ways in stereotypical media in the past," Deggans says.

"I don't necessarily think that this was intentional, but I can understand why some people might wonder" if this was a disguised jab at Obama, Deggans says.

Deggans says he doesn't know much about the cartoonist Sean Delonas and has not talked to anyone in editorial at the newspaper.

But he says an important question is whether there was anyone at the newspaper who said, "There might be a connection here between a chimpanzee and a black person," Deggans says.

"If there wasn't somebody in that chain who raised this issue, that's disturbing because frankly it's an association that's pretty easy to see," Deggans says. "And if the notion was raised, and they printed it anyway, that's even more disturbing. I mean, this is a newspaper that has had a long history of tangled and trouble racial relations."

Along with Al Sharpton, New York Gov. David Paterson said that the newspaper needs to explain itself.

"Unfortunately I think the editor's response does not do that," Deggans says. "They don't acknowledge that there is a way you can look at this image and draw a connotation that references racial prejudice."

Also, Deggans says, Delanos has satirized Sharpton in the past and some critics of Sharpton are using that to invalidate his criticism.

As for whether the critics are coming down unfairly on the newspaper, Deggans says no.

"I almost hate to quote Dr. Phil, but I'm going to do it anyway," Deggans says. "He says, 'Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?' That's what I would say to the folks at the New York Post. If you want to say that people are raising an unfair point, certainly there's room to make that argument.

"But you have to accept the fact that there is a percentage of your audience and a percentage of the population who is going to assume that this reference was made deliberately. They're going to see the racial connotation and they're going to respond negatively to it. And if you don't want to be seen like that, why would you print something that might cause that idea to be out there?"

'New York Post' Political Cartoon Raises Concerns : NPR

Firestorm continues....
 
wow! I can't believe anyone finds this funny.
Nor can I.
Don´t you know that Travis was shot to death by police after attack last Monday? Do you find this funny that the Cartoonist referred dead Travis who was shot by police last Monday to compare with Obama because of his skin color and ears? The way of his interpretation show itself that Obama should be assassinated over that economic stimulus package...?

That certainly would be the implicit meaning of this cartoon. I was horrified and dismayed to see this. While others may say it's the cartoonist's right to draw such a cartoon, it's well within my rights to say I find it offensive. Free press works both ways.
 
This is one of the reason why I brought up the not all people are going to think and/or care statement.
It'll be quite difficult to address this to one who doesn't care much over the issue.

If you feel you've got more of the teachings of philosophy and inner wisdom in you, by all means you've got the real deal in your brain.
Just don't get angered those who don't share it aren't experiencing the same..

(No defense was sought for in this post)
 
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After review, several posts are removed and action taken.

Please stay on topic and also racist comments aren't allowed. :ty:
 
This is one of the reason why I brought up the not all people are going to think and/or care statement.
It'll be quite difficult to address this to one who doesn't care much over the issue.

If you feel you've got more of the teachings of philosophy and inner wisdom in you, by all means you've got the real deal in your brain.
Just don't get angered those who don't share it aren't experiencing the same..

(No defense was sought for in this post)

Sorry, naisho, but it would be morally bankrupt not to be angered by words that could affect your life negatively. Early this morning two of my workers got into fisticuffs over a racial slur, and unfortunately BOTH of them are fired. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words can lead to violence or perhaps riots. When someone is verbally racist to me, I stand up and face them. Some things are totally unacceptable in this day and age, and this so-called "cartoon" is one of them. This is not over by a long shot. Sighhh
 
Sorry, naisho, but it would be morally bankrupt not to be angered by words that could affect your life negatively. Early this morning two of my workers got into fisticuffs over a racial slur, and unfortunately BOTH of them are fired. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words can lead to violence or perhaps riots. When someone is verbally racist to me, I stand up and face them. Some things are totally unacceptable in this day and age, and this so-called "cartoon" is one of them. This is not over by a long shot. Sighhh

Well said, Beowulf. It is a matter of ethics. Both the lack of such in the cartoonist and the paper, and the stand on such of those that speak against it.
 
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Naisho, thank you for watch my back while I look away from AD.

As for this thread, I have no interest to debate over the ridiculous monkey cartoon. :roll: And it ain't worth it.
 
Naisho, thank you for watch my back while I look away from AD.

As for this thread, I have no interest to debate over the ridiculous monkey cartoon. :roll: And it ain't worth it.

Taking the "flight" plan?
 
The reasons the cartoonist used the chimp were:

1. Travis the chimp was recently in the news so it's current and attention-getting.

2. People who don't support the stimulus bill consider it so bad that a chimp could have written it. That is, it wasn't written by an intelligent person.

Thanks for explaining.
 
That's where it gets gray to me. If you treat everyone the same, except the person who is black, out of the fear you may be offending him, isn't that also racist?

Example: If I wanna be stupid and talk "ghetto" saying "Whazzah!" to everyone except the black person because the stereotype is black people are "ghetto", so I just say "Oh hello sir."
(This is kind of a bad example but you get the drift.)

I mean it's MOST LIKELY that the cartoonist was probably thinking racially, but my question is where do we draw the line?

Good point.
 
New Yorkers to boycott NY Post over "racist" cartoon

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Hundreds of demonstrators rallied to boycott the New York Post on Thursday, branding the newspaper as racist for publishing a cartoon that appeared to compare President Barack Obama to a chimpanzee.

Demonstrators led by civil rights activist Al Sharpton chanted "End racism now!" outside the parent company's skyscraper in midtown Manhattan and called for the jailing of Rupert Murdoch, whose international media conglomerate News Corp owns the Post.

The newspaper has defended the cartoon as a parody of Washington politics, but Sharpton said it exploited a potent image in the history of racism toward blacks.

Published on Wednesday, it shows police shooting an ape and plays on the real shooting of a pet chimpanzee that went on a rampage in Connecticut this week.

One of the police officers says, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill."

Because Obama promoted the $787 billion economic stimulus that he signed into law on Tuesday, critics of the cartoon interpreted the dead chimp as a reference to Obama, who became the first black U.S. president on January 20.

"I guess they thought we were chimpanzees," Sharpton said. "They will find out we are lions."

Sharpton said he would meet with advertisers to encourage them to pull their ads and said New Yorkers would boycott the newspaper.

"You would have to be in a time warp or in a whole other world not to know what that means," said demonstrator Charles Ashley, 25, a model who did not believe the cartoon was an innocent political joke.

Others said it made light of assassinating Obama, a possibility they said that worries many African-Americans.

"Just the fact that they put a monkey with gunshot wounds in his chest, it gives the idea of an assassination," said Peter Aviles, 48, a building superintendent.

Police in Stamford, Connecticut, shot and killed a 200-pound (90-kg) chimpanzee on Monday after the pet nearly killed its owner's friend and attacked a police car. The chimp, named Travis, had once starred in television commercials and was taking medication for Lyme disease.

New York Post Editor-in-Chief Col Allan said in a statement the cartoon "broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy."

New Yorkers to boycott NY Post over "racist" cartoon
 
Sharpton's also a religious / pastor type man. From previous news articles regarding him, I recall he was a Mormon or Baptist, whichever it was?
Does that give him credibility to point out his opinions? (The reason why I pointed out he's a Mormon)

More about him in there, on his "skeletons in the closet"
http://www.realchange.org/sharpton.htm
 
Sharpton's also a religious / pastor type man. From previous news articles regarding him, I recall he was a Mormon or Baptist, whichever it was?
Does that give him credibility to point out his opinions? (The reason why I pointed out he's a Mormon)

More about him in there, on his "skeletons in the closet"
Skeleton Closet - Al Sharpton, The Dark Side

Who doesn't have "skeletons" in their closet?
 
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