Obama & the Monkey Cartoon.

[Byrdie714]

So? Some posters wanted to know why the chimp was used in the cartoon about the stimulus bill.

For a woman of your intelligence--you had to ask this question?

 

[Royale]

The cartoonist made an insensitive poor and tasteless judgment. The editorial board at NY Post should be responsible for approving/allowing that cartoon be published, so they should face some severe discpline. They had every opportunity not to approve it, but I guess they blew it big time.

 

[Reba]

For a woman of your intelligence--you had to ask this question?

What question did I ask?

This is getting ridiculous. All I did was explain why a chimp was in a crude cartoon that I don't even find funny.

 

[Daredevel7]

Ya know what's so funny though? I remember a LOT of jokes comparing Bush to a chimp.... no one got upset. I am not so much bothered by the chimp (would you rather the chimp be replaced by a donkey? Actually that would make more sense... since democrats = donkey) but more so that they KILLED the chimp. That was kinda messed up....

 

[Byrdie714]

What question did I ask?

This is getting ridiculous. All I did was explain why a chimp was in a crude cartoon that I don't even find funny.

Interesting as you described it in your post:

The reasons the cartoonist used the chimp were:

1. Travis the chimp was recently in the news so it's current and attention-getting.

2. People who don't support the stimulus bill consider it so bad that a chimp could have written it. That is, it wasn't written by an intelligent person.

Then I asked a question to you, which you haven't answered:

Are you implying that the President isn't intelligent?

Knowing full well that you grew up during the 1960's and been exposed to the racial injustices in the United States, I am a little appalled at your lack of disgust at this political cartoon depicating Obama as a monkey.

Maybe you been living in South Carolina a little too long?

 

[Doug5]

I think the cartoon is more tasteless more than racist.

W Bush was compared to chimps many times

George W. Bush or Chimpanzee?

but there is a history of racism linking black people to primates.

All of us debating this nonsense is exactly what the newspaper wanted. They know how to push our buttons

 

[Byrdie714]

I think the cartoon is more tasteless more than racist.

W Bush was compared to chimps many times

George W. Bush or Chimpanzee?

but there is a history of racism linking black people to primates.

All of us debating this nonsense is exactly what the newspaper wanted. They know how to push our buttons

The difference between comparing Bush to a chimpanzee is that there are no negative connotations comparing a white guy to a chimpanzee whereas comparing a black person to a chimpanzee is.

 

[jillio]

Ya know what's so funny though? I remember a LOT of jokes comparing Bush to a chimp.... no one got upset. I am not so much bothered by the chimp (would you rather the chimp be replaced by a donkey? Actually that would make more sense... since democrats = donkey) but more so that they KILLED the chimp. That was kinda messed up....

Bush is not black, and in no way did comparing Bush to a chimp reference back to a horrid history of injustice and racism. The implications are entirely different.

 

[Reba]

Interesting as you described it in your post:

As I described the cartoonist's viewpoint, not mine.

Then I asked a question to you, which you haven't answered:

I thought you understood my answer. I described the cartoonist's viewpoint, not mine. I don't believe Obama is stupid; I believe he is wrong.

Knowing full well that you grew up during the 1960's and been exposed to the racial injustices in the United States, I am a little appalled at your lack of disgust at this political cartoon depicating Obama as a monkey.

You are really off base in your appraisal of my viewpoint.

[/QUOTE]Maybe you been living in South Carolina a little too long? [/QUOTE]
Maybe your anti-South West Coast elitism is showing?

 

[jillio]

As I described the cartoonist's viewpoint, not mine.


I thought you understood my answer. I described the cartoonist's viewpoint, not mine. I don't believe Obama is stupid; I believe he is wrong.


You are really off base in your appraisal of my viewpoint.

Maybe you been living in South Carolina a little too long? [/QUOTE]
Maybe your anti-South West Coast elitism is showing?[/QUOTE]

Or perhaps his sense of social justice is showing.

And, you describe the depiction of the cartoon from your perspective. As you are not the cartoonist, and I think we can safely assume that you did not consult with the cartoonist prior, you cannot describe his perspective.

 

[Byrdie714]

As I described the cartoonist's viewpoint, not mine.


I thought you understood my answer. I described the cartoonist's viewpoint, not mine. I don't believe Obama is stupid; I believe he is wrong.


You are really off base in your appraisal of my viewpoint.

Maybe you been living in South Carolina a little too long? [/QUOTE]
Maybe your anti-South West Coast elitism is showing?[/QUOTE]

Don't you mean the South-east? South-west would be AZ, NM, UT, NV.......

 

[Byrdie714]

What does elitism have to do with racism?

Two separate topics.....

 

[jillio]

What does elitism have to do with being intolerant of racism?

 

[Reba]

Or perhaps his sense of social justice is showing.

And, you describe the depiction of the cartoon from your perspective. As you are not the cartoonist, and I think we can safely assume that you did not consult with the cartoonist prior, you cannot describe his perspective.

As you and others at AD seem to "know" that the cartoonist wanted to make a racist point with his cartoon.

Guess what? I can see and describe the viewpoints of those that aren't mine. That doesn't mean I agree with them.

But since the tone of this thread has been established with no room for discussion outside of the establishment, I see no reason to stick around as thread punching bag.

 

[jillio]

As you and others at AD seem to "know" that the cartoonist wanted to make a racist point with his cartoon.

Guess what? I can see and describe the viewpoints of those that aren't mine. That doesn't mean I agree with them.

But since the tone of this thread has been established with no room for discussion outside of the establishment, I see no reason to stick around as thread punching bag.

Actually, me and other ADers are not the only ones that see it that way. If you will check the links that have been provided, you will find that a good deal of the country is outraged.

Outside of the establishment? You're funny!

I guess you just aren't in the mood to answer direct questions today.

 

[Daredevel7]

Bush is not black, and in no way did comparing Bush to a chimp reference back to a horrid history of injustice and racism. The implications are entirely different.

That's where it gets gray to me. If you treat everyone the same, except the person who is black, out of the fear you may be offending him, isn't that also racist?

Example: If I wanna be stupid and talk "ghetto" saying "Whazzah!" to everyone except the black person because the stereotype is black people are "ghetto", so I just say "Oh hello sir."
(This is kind of a bad example but you get the drift.)

I mean it's MOST LIKELY that the cartoonist was probably thinking racially, but my question is where do we draw the line?

 

[jillio]

That's where it gets gray to me. If you treat everyone the same, except the person who is black, out of the fear you may be offending him, isn't that also racist?

Example: If I wanna be stupid and talk "ghetto" saying "Whazzah!" to everyone except the black person because the stereotype is black people are "ghetto", so I just say "Oh hello sir."
(This is kind of a bad example but you get the drift.)

I mean it's MOST LIKELY that the cartoonist was probably thinking racially, but my question is where do we draw the line?

There is no grey area in racism.

**jillio just shaking her head at the naivete**

 

[Daredevel7]

Would that cartoon ever exist in a non-racist world?

 

[Frisky Feline]

sorry if my post is completely off the topic. obama is part of white too.

 

[Byrdie714]

As you and others at AD seem to "know" that the cartoonist wanted to make a racist point with his cartoon.

Guess what? I can see and describe the viewpoints of those that aren't mine. That doesn't mean I agree with them.

But since the tone of this thread has been established with no room for discussion outside of the establishment, I see no reason to stick around as thread punching bag.

Yes--the white police officers demonstrating that the whites have control of law enforcement as well as showing that majority of whites are gun owners and aren't hesistating to shoot a "black monkey" which we know depicts President Obama with the statement of "writing another stimilus bills" in reference that the whites aren't happy with it.

Oh wait a minute--it was a white person that left the economic mess to the incoming President. Oh before I forget--it was a white congress that added all the stipulations in the stimilus bill.

And instead of taking it out on our own--we are taking it out on the "black monkey". Real smart. :roll: