Obama supporters?

PuyoPiyo said:
Well yeah I have the SSI, and also the Medicares. I am not sure if your sister in law was in different country, but if she was in the USA, then she could have gotten a medicare.

Also I am against all of those you listed about the insurances, but I don't really complain about taxes just if they are being honestly and be fair with us.

Nothing taking too personal from me ;)
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My sister in law has SSI now that she has to be separate from my brother in order to have SSI cuz she has chronic illness and she needs health care 24 hours a day but u have not expeirnce which my brother had been by stuck with one million dollar hospital bill years ago. His company insurance went out of business and he could not pay for it. The hospital harrassed him and forced him to pay the hospital but he does not have money so the hospital lost money.. I have seen too many hospitals filed bankrupted because of people alike my sister in law (at that time she does not had medical) without health insurance. Now I am paying my tax to government to help her but her medical does not cover many drugs she needs for her own health and she suffers greatly right now. But I feel resisit to pay my tax money to healthy people who live on SSI and welfare does not want universe health to help unisurance people alike my youngest son. He works his a** off 10 to 12 hours a day and 5 days a week to making a living and he does not have healht insurance which it bothers me that I have to pay others so they can have better health system than my own son does. I rather to see my tax goes to my son, not to others who are against universe health care.
 
jazzy said:
My sister in law has SSI now that she has to be separate from my brother in order to have SSI cuz she has chronic illness and she needs health care 24 hours a day but u have not expeirnce which my brother had been by stuck with one million dollar hospital bill years ago. His company insurance went out of business and he could not pay for it. The hospital harrassed him and forced him to pay the hospital but he does not have money so the hospital lost money.. I have seen too many hospitals filed bankrupted because of people alike my sister in law (at that time she does not had medical) without health insurance. Now I am paying my tax to government to help her but her medical does not cover many drugs she needs for her own health and she suffers greatly right now. But I feel resisit to pay my tax money to healthy people who live on SSI and welfare does not want universe health to help unisurance people alike my youngest son. He works his a** off 10 to 12 hours a day and 5 days a week to making a living and he does not have healht insurance which it bothers me that I have to pay others so they can have better health system than my own son does. I rather to see my tax goes to my son, not to others who are against universe health care.
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:gpost:
 
jillio said:
PuyoPiyo said:
Your answer to my question was that you did not think it was right that I did not have health care, nor that my son did not have health insurance. You say that everyone should have the choice to pay into the system.
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I said that everyone should not be denied from the medicare with a reason. I already repeat that, and I think everyone should pay the taxes, but still keep a choices to have the insurance or not.

Okay, let's expand on that. I am given the choice, and I choose not to pay into a system to help provide care for someone else. I take that money, and I invest it, and I put it in a fund in case I have future medical expenses. However, because I have chosen to do this, it means that now, you no longer have Medicare to pay for your medical expenses. Are you satisfied with that solution?
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I never talk about your choices to pay the taxes or not, I was only talking about if you want the insurance or not.

jazzy said:
My sister in law has SSI now that she has to be separate from my brother in order to have SSI cuz she has chronic illness and she needs health care 24 hours a day but u have not expeirnce which my brother had been by stuck with one million dollar hospital bill years ago. His company insurance went out of business and he could not pay for it. The hospital harrassed him and forced him to pay the hospital but he does not have money so the hospital lost money.. I have seen too many hospitals filed bankrupted because of people alike my sister in law (at that time she does not had medical) without health insurance. Now I am paying my tax to government to help her but her medical does not cover many drugs she needs for her own health and she suffers greatly right now. But I feel resisit to pay my tax money to healthy people who live on SSI and welfare does not want universe health to help unisurance people alike my youngest son. He works his a** off 10 to 12 hours a day and 5 days a week to making a living and he does not have healht insurance which it bothers me that I have to pay others so they can have better health system than my own son does. I rather to see my tax goes to my son, not to others who are against universe health care.
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Well I would tell you the same thing as I told to Jillio.
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BradB08 said:
Blah blah blah blah.

That's my response to the garbage about universal healthcare that you posted.
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This section is on-topic, we could debate about everything, even we have rights to agree or disagree with you, if I disagree with you then don't take my post so personally, there's nothing to make you looks better but got worse. If heat debate is very unfair, bad then your thread could get locked. I have rights to not support universal health benefits BUT... I prefer to find other optional, such as offers cheap insurance, reduce of medical cost and other systems, even universal health benefit has pros and cons, if you want universal health benefit then go ahead move to Canada or somewhere in Europe. My mom is director of nurse and had visit medical center in Canada, she said many of things are same as pros and cons that wikipedia stated, same goes to Royale that stated, that's very different than medical center in US.

You have entitled your opinion about both of McCain and Obama, that's fine with us, even you have rights to not trust on president candidate like I did to Obama and Bush, you stated McCain will going be same as Bush then that's your opinion but for me, it's quietly not true, McCain has some different thing to do than Bush does, I'm not happy with Bush and can't wait to see him out of office in next year, also, I'm not registered republican vote either, I'm more moderate, likely moderate republican due tax, gun rights and some of economy. Everyone has own choice to pick anyone, don't convert anyone to vote this person that you like it, it make you looks like more control and bad.
 
Pacman said:
This section is on-topic, we could debate about everything, even we have rights to agree or disagree with you, if I disagree with you then don't take my post so personally, there's nothing to make you looks better but got worse. If heat debate is very unfair, bad then your thread could get locked. I have rights to not support universal health benefits BUT... I prefer to find other optional, such as offers cheap insurance, reduce of medical cost and other systems, even universal health benefit has pros and cons, if you want universal health benefit then go ahead move to Canada or somewhere in Europe.

You have entitled your opinion about both of McCain and Obama, that's fine with us, even you have rights to not trust on president candidate like I did to Obama and Bush, you stated McCain will going be same as Bush then that's your opinion but for me, it's quietly not true, McCain has some different thing to do than Bush does, I'm not happy with Bush and can't wait to see him out of office in next year, also, I'm not registered republican vote either, I'm more moderate, likely moderate republican due tax, gun rights and some of economy. Everyone has own choice to pick anyone, don't convert anyone to vote this person that you liked it, it make you looks like more control and bad.
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:gpost:
 
Good post? I didn't bother reading it. I understand what he's trying to say but again, I will continue to make my thoughts known.
 
BradB08 said:
Good post? I didn't bother reading it. I understand what he's trying to say but again, I will continue to make my thoughts known.
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lol, you make yourself looks bad.

My recent post is much different than you read at previous, it's more specified about debate, universal health benefit and president.
 
BradB08 said:
Good post? I didn't bother reading it. I understand what he's trying to say but again, I will continue to make my thoughts known.
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thoughts? I didn't even bother reading it either. I understand what you're trying to say but again - I will continue to consider you as domestic dissent. :o
 
PuyoPiyo said:
jillio said:
I said that everyone should not be denied from the medicare with a reason. I already repeat that, and I think everyone should pay the taxes, but still keep a choices to have the insurance or not.



I never talk about your choices to pay the taxes or not, I was only talking about if you want the insurance or not.



Well I would tell you the same thing as I told to Jillio.
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But you don't seem to understand that the one choice is dependent upon not having the other choice. I have lived a long time, Puyopiyo, and have interacted with people from all walks of life. I have never met a person yet that would make a conscious choice not to be able to go to a doctor when they are sick. They are placed in the position of not having a choice to be able to go to a health care facility because, the current system removes the choice of being able to afford health insurance. That choice is not available to millions of Americans on a daily basis, and millions of them are children. Ask some of those that are going without if they would choose to have health care insureance if it were made available to them at a cost they could afford. I doubt seriously that you would find a single one that would tell you they did not want availablity of health care for themselves and their familiies.

Obama's plan does not remove choice from anyone who is currently insured. It only provides the choice of becoming insured to the millions that cannot afford it at this time. It provides, for millions of working poor, the same choice that you yourself currently have. You have the choice to use Medicare or not. Give that same choice to others.
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Pacman said:
This section is on-topic, we could debate about everything, even we have rights to agree or disagree with you, if I disagree with you then don't take my post so personally, there's nothing to make you looks better but got worse. If heat debate is very unfair, bad then your thread could get locked. I have rights to not support universal health benefits BUT... I prefer to find other optional, such as offers cheap insurance, reduce of medical cost and other systems, even universal health benefit has pros and cons, if you want universal health benefit then go ahead move to Canada or somewhere in Europe. My mom is director of nurse and had visit medical center in Canada, she said many of things are same as pros and cons that wikipedia stated, same goes to Royale that stated, that's very different than medical center in US.

You have entitled your opinion about both of McCain and Obama, that's fine with us, even you have rights to not trust on president candidate like I did to Obama and Bush, you stated McCain will going be same as Bush then that's your opinion but for me, it's quietly not true, McCain has some different thing to do than Bush does, I'm not happy with Bush and can't wait to see him out of office in next year, also, I'm not registered republican vote either, I'm more moderate, likely moderate republican due tax, gun rights and some of economy. Everyone has own choice to pick anyone, don't convert anyone to vote this person that you like it, it make you looks like more control and bad.
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If that is what you are looking for, then Obama's health insurance plan
fills your requirements. He is not proposing a unversal health care system.
 
PowerON said:
Obama is political virgin. Simple to said.
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Hmm...how so? He has experience in the Senate, and the last time I checked, that was a political office. He obviously has enough experience politically to manage to win the Democratic nomination for President. The last I checked, that was also political in nature.
 
jillio said:
If that is what you are looking for, then Obama's health insurance plan
fills your requirements. He is not proposing a unversal health care system.
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Ok, sorry to say, I couldn't trust Obama at general, not just only for universal health center.

I'm not trying to be uniformed or thing like that, it was my choice to do it.
 
Pacman said:
Ok, sorry to say, I couldn't trust Obama at general, not just only for universal health center.

I'm not trying to be uniformed or thing like that, it was my choice to do it.
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Yeah, its your choice. But what would be your solution for the millions of children whose families cannot afford health insurance or to pay for sky rocketing health care costs out of pocket? Wouldn't it make sense to allow them the choice of receiving health care?
 
jillio said:
Yeah, its your choice. But what would be your solution for the millions of children whose families cannot afford health insurance or to pay for sky rocketing health care costs out of pocket? Wouldn't it make sense to allow them the choice of receiving health care?
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Health isn't my biggest concern right now, I'm more focus on war, gun rights and some part of economy.

If I'm in health crisis then I will immigrate to Canada, no big deal.
 
jillio said:
Yeah, its your choice. But what would be your solution for the millions of children whose families cannot afford health insurance or to pay for sky rocketing health care costs out of pocket? Wouldn't it make sense to allow them the choice of receiving health care?
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Yes I sympathize but not my problem. not a big issue for me now since it does not affect me. SORRY! If you read my long post which you ignored - you'll understand why it's of no concern to me for now. If I have to shed a tear for every single uninsured children - boy!! I'll never get anything done in my life - you know... personal management and priorities. It's government's problem. I've got my own future to worry about.... you know - for my future family, not them. Apparently - seems like you've got your priorities wrong and that's probably why you're struggling with 2 jobs, school, and medical costs. I certainly wouldn't want to live my life like that!

but hey - if you want to be a Mother Teresa for them, go ahead. If you want to advocate universal health care - go ahead. If you're so sad for them, why don't you pay a large donation for them since you stated that you don't mind paying more taxes for them. Please don't force your crying issue down into our throats. we simply have different concerns, different priorities. Pacman's concerned about gun rights, war, and others. I'm concerned about freedom rights, tax, economy and whatsoever. Our priorities and concerns change over time. We're just not concerned about health insurance cost for now. That's all. :cool2:
 
PowerON said:
Obama is political virgin. Simple to said.
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:lol: Very funny.

jillio said:
PuyoPiyo said:
But you don't seem to understand that the one choice is dependent upon not having the other choice. I have lived a long time, Puyopiyo, and have interacted with people from all walks of life. I have never met a person yet that would make a conscious choice not to be able to go to a doctor when they are sick. They are placed in the position of not having a choice to be able to go to a health care facility because, the current system removes the choice of being able to afford health insurance. That choice is not available to millions of Americans on a daily basis, and millions of them are children. Ask some of those that are going without if they would choose to have health care insureance if it were made available to them at a cost they could afford. I doubt seriously that you would find a single one that would tell you they did not want availablity of health care for themselves and their familiies.

Obama's plan does not remove choice from anyone who is currently insured. It only provides the choice of becoming insured to the millions that cannot afford it at this time. It provides, for millions of working poor, the same choice that you yourself currently have. You have the choice to use Medicare or not. Give that same choice to others.
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There, that last paragraph is what I was trying to tell you. Remember I said "We should fix our medicare" in my other post somewhere in this thread.
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