Obama-McCain Debate Part I

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Liza said:
It is your prerogative to vote based on some sort of intellectual decision. I don't want to assume what you mean by intellectual decision, since we are obviously on different pages. Can you clarify?
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Intelligent people can use intellectual analysis of the same data, and still come to different conclusions based on their ranking of priorities and their goals. Also, each voter gets input from different sources, with varying degrees of reliability, so obviously their decisions will also vary.

I don't believe people should make misinformed votes nor vote out of their integrity either. Both fall into the intellectual category, don't they?
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They should vote for whomever they believe will lead the country closest in the direction they (the voters) want, based on analysis of facts. Those facts can include past performance (voting record), consistency, and stated goals, among other things.

I don't include charisma among those things. That can be very misleading.

Interestingly enough, until the Kennedy/Nixon televised debate, the charisma factor wasn't as important in prior elections. In that debate, Nixon was the clear winner to those who listened to the debate on the radio, and Kennedy was the winner to those who watched on TV. Yet, the text of their debate was the same in each medium. :hmm:
 
Reba said:
Intelligent people can use intellectual analysis of the same data, and still come to different conclusions based on their ranking of priorities and their goals. Also, each voter gets input from different sources, with varying degrees of reliability, so obviously their decisions will also vary.


They should vote for whomever they believe will lead the country closest in the direction they (the voters) want, based on analysis of facts. Those facts can include past performance (voting record), consistency, and stated goals, among other things.

I don't include charisma among those things. That can be very misleading.

Interestingly enough, until the Kennedy/Nixon televised debate, the charisma factor wasn't as important in prior elections. In that debate, Nixon was the clear winner to those who listened to the debate on the radio, and Kennedy was the winner to those who watched on TV. Yet, the text of their debate was the same in each medium. :hmm:
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Thanks for sharing your definition.

I do vaguely recall a comment you made about voting for McCain-Palin because you wanted to beat the Obama-Biden ticket. Would you say that is an accurate recall I've made... and moreover, contributing to an intellectual decision as defined above?
 
Reba said:
No. But the values of the candidate are evaluated intellectually, not emotionally.
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It is impossible to remove the emotional component from a values judgement.
 
Reba said:
No, I'm not trying to be physiologically accurate; I'm trying to emphasize that something as important as electing a President of our country should be based on intellectual analysis, not warm fuzzies or tingling legs.
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Ah, kind of like the people's reasoning for supporting Palin as a VP pick.
 
i just know McCain had an ugly ass tie on. Where did he get that piece of shit? Wal mart for 5$?
 
Reba said:
No, I'm not trying to be physiologically accurate; I'm trying to emphasize that something as important as electing a President of our country should be based on intellectual analysis, not warm fuzzies or tingling legs.
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I cannot agree with you more. I have noticed that some people tend to use sentiment to influence their decision to vote for one of the candidates.

For me, I tend to look at issues and ideas which are appealing to me most besides intellectual analysis.
 
jillio said:
Ah, kind of like the people's reasoning for supporting Palin as a VP pick.
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McCain picked her up because they both shared many things in common such as reforms, their maverick reputation, and issues.

We will find out how the selection of Palin turns out on this Thursday night and Election Night.
 
Royale said:
McCain picked her up because they both shared many things in common such as reforms, their maverick reputation, and issues.

We will find out how the selection of Palin turns out on this Thursday night and Election Night.
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How would he possibly know what they shared in common based on one meeting?

Likewise, why is he retracting statements she is making to the public that contradict his position?

And, yes, I am very much looking forward to the debate. By its very nature, it can't be scripted as have Palin's previous contacts with the press.

But if you will reread my post, I was referring to the general publics' reasons for supporting Palin as VP pick, and not McCain's motives. However, both are inexplicably tied together, as McCain's pick was also obviously geared to generate an emotional response.
 
jillio said:
How would he possibly know what they shared in common based on one meeting?
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Same as job hunting. Presidential Candidates review several resumes and then select one.
 
BREAKING NEWS: The House just rejected the bail out bill....The DOW is down by more than 400 points.
 
Tousi said:
BREAKING NEWS: The House just rejected the bail out bill....The DOW is down by more than 400 points.
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fawk! it's more than 600 points now.
 
Jiro said:
fawk! it's more than 600 points now.
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Yeah, it has been spiking up and down between 350 to over 600 for the last two hours...went to 700 briefly. It is now at 500.
 
Liza said:
Thanks for sharing your definition.

I do vaguely recall a comment you made about voting for McCain-Palin because you wanted to beat the Obama-Biden ticket. Would you say that is an accurate recall I've made... and moreover, contributing to an intellectual decision as defined above?
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You're welcome.

I don't believe I posted that I wanted to "beat" the Obama-Biden ticket. I probably posted something about not voting for that ticket because they didn't represent my views or goals. I've also posted that McCain was not my first choice but he is much closer to my view and goals than Obama.

Either way, I'm not concerned with "beating" anyone. I know who ultimately controls the future, and it isn't the President of the United States.

That doesn't mean that I take my voter responsibility lightly, or give up striving to do the best for my country. I just don't let it consume me.
 
jillio said:
How would he possibly know what they shared in common based on one meeting?
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I assume that they had to keep in contact to find out where they stand on issues and how they can work out by telephone occasionally, but my assumption might be wrong. I agree that one meeting should not be enough justified for McCain to choose Palin as his running mate.

Likewise, why is he retracting statements she is making to the public that contradict his position?
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I think because he is doing it that is not in accord with his campaign issues.

At least one time, Obama had to retract Biden's remarks on AIG mess. I cannot blame Obama because Biden is well known for loose cannons.

But if you will reread my post, I was referring to the general publics' reasons for supporting Palin as VP pick, and not McCain's motives. However, both are inexplicably tied together, as McCain's pick was also obviously geared to generate an emotional response.
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I will re-read your post and then I will share my thoughts.
 
jillio said:
How would he possibly know what they shared in common based on one meeting?

Likewise, why is he retracting statements she is making to the public that contradict his position?

And, yes, I am very much looking forward to the debate. By its very nature, it can't be scripted as have Palin's previous contacts with the press.

But if you will reread my post, I was referring to the general publics' reasons for supporting Palin as VP pick, and not McCain's motives. However, both are inexplicably tied together, as McCain's pick was also obviously geared to generate an emotional response.
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Palin is the female version of Jerry Falwell. :lol:
 
Tousi said:
BREAKING NEWS: The House just rejected the bail out bill....The DOW is down by more than 400 points.
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Yeah I am on their side who reject the bailout. Rather bankruptcy is better than bailout! ;)
 
Well, after their little tantrum this morning, they will be back to work but not tomorrow because of a Jewish holiday; anticipate something to vote on within the next 36 hours.
 
Tousi said:
Yeah, it has been spiking up and down between 350 to over 600 for the last two hours...went to 700 briefly. It is now at 500.
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:eek3:
 
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