Obama lied about AARP Supporting Obamacare...and more

[Jiro]

Do you mean social assistance and pension benefit?

As long as they are still alive.

Under Social assistance system, as long as you find job, if not living with social money until you are 60 years old then apply for pension benefit for a long life.

For employed person, get pension benefit between 60 and 65 years old and living on pension benefit as long as they are alive.

so for example - I'm 40 years old and still no job for 20 years.... but I'm still covered by them?

 

[Jiro]

I would wonders about foreigners or travelers have access to health care in Europe and Canada?

They do have access to it. most of them obtain international insurance (or whatever it's called) before they travel.

In bold, Yup, he's very sensitive about universal or government-run health care, I did asked him about what happens when government-run health care kicks in then he said it's not gonna happen, it don't get any right answer.

sensitive? not at all. perhaps you are sensitive to criticism of universal healthcare and that you really want it badly? you can always go to Canada

 

[Foxrac]

They do have access to it. most of them obtain international insurance (or whatever it's called) before they travel.


sensitive? not at all. perhaps you are sensitive to criticism of universal healthcare and that you really want it badly? you can always go to Canada

No, I'm not sensitive when criticism of universal health care because I already have medicaid and don't have problem with insurance, except for cost and regulation, you just gave me a odd answer when come with universal health care.

I rather to support public insurance over universal health care.

 

[Jiro]

She is entitled to her opinion as I have my own opinion as well over that non-life threatening. I rather wait a few months to have it done than spend $100,000.00 for go to America to have it done.

If a person who have private insurance in its country, but why go to America instead of have it done at private clinic in Canada if a person choose to not want to wait for a few months? If a person prefer to go America to have it done as soon as possible than wait for few months then is his/her choice. It´s his/her money. Remember, not everyone can afford to go America to have it done. If they can afford then is good.

more than $100,000? how you know? Did you come to America to get an estimation?

I do not see anything that I twist your post but all what I see is I suggest you to take a time to read the 2 links of Americans´ comments over their experience as private insurers and Medcare/Medicaid and explained you about their horror stories as private insurers, Medicare/Medicaid including Obama´s mother. All what you said is their lazy, bitching, etc.

I did not bring up anything about social security as what you mentioned above but private insurers and Medicare/Medicaid in the 2 links I provided about American´s own experience, that´s all. If you want to talk about social security issues, then post my thread or new thread.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/46096-i-want-check-you-over-ssi-issues.html

I did not started to debate but expressed my opinon. Unfortunlately you started to quote my post because you don´t like my opinion, that´s all.

I thought you convinced why Obama is for healthcare system in several Election 2008 debate threads after your bad experience with doctor for $400 within 2 mins and then changed your mind and support Obama. Now? It seem to me that you regret for voted Obama?

again - what he said and what he did are contradictory to each other. I do not largely agree with Obama's solution on health care. I agree with a few key points of his speech but I do not agree with majority of his solution.

Excuse me, I know what I am saying...

And why can´t you accept the fact that everyone is entitle to their opinion differently as you? Why can´t you handle the debate with agreement to disagreement ?

You're telling me that? Didn't you just call me ignorant? Why can't you accept the fact that I am entitled to my opinion that is different from yours? :scratch:

Your comment makes absolutely no sense at all. It's full of hypocrisy and nuances.

 

[Jiro]

No, I'm not sensitive when criticism of universal health care because I already have medicaid and don't have problem with insurance, except for cost and regulation, you just gave me a odd answer when come with universal health care.

odd answer? perhaps it's the answer you do not understand? What part of my answer you do not understand? I can clarify for you.

I rather to support public insurance over universal health care.

what's public insurance? never heard of it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling is from Germany and you need not make any assume about health care in Germany without ask her, she's just first hand and she will going explain about health care in Germany.

Liebling, can you share us about how is health care in Germany?

Sure, I am glad to answer your question. You can ask if you want to know more than I give you here.

Note that benefits of statutory health insurance change often. Some of the treatments covered are (as of 2007):

Medical and dental treatment, with free choice of doctors and dentists

Hospital treatment

Drugs, dressings, complementary treatment, and aids such as hearing aids and wheelchairs

Sickness benefit (Krankengeld): Normally, your employer will continue to pay your wage or salary for six weeks if you are unable to work. After that your health insurance would pay 70 per cent of your regular wage or salary before deductions for a maximum of 78 weeks

Measures for the prevention and early detection of certain diseases

Preventive dentistry and in particular individual and group prophylactic measures

Preventive inoculations, excluding inoculations for non-work-related foreign travel

Orthodontic treatment, normally only up to the age of 18.

Medically necessary dentures and crowns

If you have children, you can claim a range of additional benefits. The Federal Ministry for Health and Social Security offers detailed and up-to-date information on benefits at www.bmgs.bund.de.

In the following cases, you will have to an additional contribution to treatments and medicines (as of 2007):

The cost of dentures (50% of medically required treatment).

A share in the cost of in-patient preventive treatment and rehabilitation, out-patient rehabilitation, and in-patient hospital care (€10/day for a maximum of 28 days)

10% of the cost of prescription drugs and dressings, minimum €5 and maximum €10.

If your income is below a certain level, you can be exempted from these additional payments.

And further read in that link... you can search everything in that link to read if you are interesting.

Germany Guide: Health insurance, How to cover your medical expenses in Germany: Your first priority when comin



All the list above is correct but one thing they forget is add CI. Health insurance cover 100% (I mean 100%, not 99%) and 50% for hearing aid and no battery for HA. (I personally against it because it´s unfair to treat CI and HA users differently).

I can make an appointment with any specialist if I like to. I can look for another doctor for second opinion if I disagree with my doctor.

They cover the cost for maternity including everything.

I can choose any health insurance company I like to insure then my employer pay 50% for me and I pay other 50%. I have been change health care insurance company twice.

Spa/Rehab. treatment straight way after emergency surgery.

Do you remember my thread for 5 weeks spa treatment?

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/34883-i-want-let-you-know.html

We will have every 4 years spa treatment. I will apply for spa treatment for next year.

I thought that you would be interesting to read American´s comments about German healthcare. They married to Germans and live in Germany.

Most Patients Happy With German Health Care : NPR


Just remind you that every universal health care system in different countries are not same. Remember that healthcare is never perfect but positive thinking how glad I am to have everything is protect my health.

That´s why I strongly support Obama healthcare reform for everyone which is easy life for everyone that they won´t worry anything for lost their home, etc.

I hope my answer meet your question. If you have another question, then ask...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

so for example - I'm 40 years old and still no job for 20 years.... but I'm still covered by them?

Yes under social assistance system until you are 60 years old then apply for pension benefit.

Just remind you that living under social assistance is definitely a sucker!!!!

 

[Jiro]

so no comment about this post?

 

[Foxrac]

odd answer? perhaps it's the answer you do not understand? What part of my answer you do not understand? I can clarify for you.


what's public insurance? never heard of it.

You said it will not gonna happen, that how I got odd answer and I do have felt that you are sensitive to universal health care.

I means public insurance is refer as social insurance, owned and regulated by government, also they do control the price.

 

[Jiro]

You said it will not gonna happen, that how I got odd answer and I do have felt that you are sensitive to universal health care.

right. how does saying "it will not happen" make it a sensitive answer? You are an odd fella there

I means public insurance is refer as social insurance, owned and regulated by government, also they do control the price.

so how is that different from medicare/medicaid? stop making up the term

 

[Liebling:-)))]

more than $100,000? how you know? Did you come to America to get an estimation?

I use Canadian lady, you linked me from other thread as an example. Have you read her experience of visit USA to have surgery done?

You're telling me that? Didn't you just call me ignorant? Why can't you accept the fact that I am entitled to my opinion that is different from yours? :scratch:

I did not call you as an ignorant but said that your post prove itself is an ignorance. This is a difference.

Is that opinon, you entitled is called the people as lazy, bitching etc ? It´s not opinon but insult and ignorance because you have no idea how the people feel because you are not in their shoes.

Is that opinion, you called me as a very dense and naive? No, it´s not opinion but insult and bash.

Your comment makes absolutely no sense at all.

See?

It's full of hypocrisy and nuances.

Honestly no, your posts show itself is very hypocrisy for refuse to accept the fact and don´t want to see any links, I provided ...

I really have no idea why you said that I am hypocrisy when I tried to explain you.

 

[Foxrac]

right. how does saying "it will not happen" make it a sensitive answer? You are an odd fella there


so how is that different from medicare/medicaid? stop making up the term

No, you don't give me a valid answer when ask question about what would you do after universal health care kicks in US so I just saw you are sensitive to this topic.

No, I'm not making up the term, social insurance is usually applies to general and normal people since medicaid and medicare are applies to people with limited qualifies like disabilities, elderly and low income. Germany, Japan and Taiwan has social insurance, there's more detail.
FRONTLINE: sick around the world | PBS
Social insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Foxrac]

so no comment about this post?

The research article that where Reba's post is research in opinion.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I would wonders about foreigners or travelers have access to health care in Europe and Canada?

I do not need to apply for extra health insurance if I am in any Europe countries. Example of all, my son had an accident in Paris. We went to Paris clinic with German interpreter because we can´t speak French. All what they do is request my health card and treatment for my son. I only paid medicial cost is pain killer that´s all.

For oversea, (out of Europe countries), I have to apply for international health insurance in that health insurance company where I insured or compare prices with any insurance companies to insure.. Any weeks to months I want to insure.

Depend on different prices to which country, you want to visit. To my experience, insured to protect my health when I was in the USA 2 years ago was very expensive.

 

[Jiro]

No, you don't give me a valid answer when ask question about what would you do after universal health care kicks in US so I just saw you are sensitive to this topic.

because it's not a valid question. It's like asking me - what would you do after America becomes a communist country? yyyeeeeaaaa oooookkkk get me some beer and weed and i can answer your question :roll:

again - my answer to your question is "IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN." Again - I still don't see how does that make it sensitive to this topic.

No, I'm not making up the term, social insurance is usually applies to general and normal people since medicaid and medicare are applies to people with limited qualifies like disabilities, elderly and low income. Germany, Japan and Taiwan has social insurance, there's more detail.
FRONTLINE: sick around the world | PBS
Social insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not talking about social insurance. I'm talking about your usage of the word "public insurance". You're making it up! it's preferable that you stick with proper term like..... Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security

 

[Jiro]

The research article that where Reba's post is research in opinion.

a well-founded opinion with weighty background. far better than your opinion and liebling's opinion. It's written by Scott W. Atlas - a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor of radiology and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical School.

 

[Reba]

Sure, I am glad to answer your question. You can ask if you want to know more than I give you here.

How much do you and your husband each pay for your monthly insurance premiums?

 

[Foxrac]

because it's not a valid question. It's like asking me - what would you do after America becomes a communist? yyyeeeeaaaa oooookkkk get me some beer and weed and i can answer your question :roll:

again - my answer to your question is "IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN." Again - I still don't see how does that make it sensitive to this topic.


I'm not talking about social insurance. I'm talking about your usage of "public insurance". You're making it up! it's preferable that you stick with proper term like..... Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security

My question is valid because universal health care isn't bad thing to say, don't compare the universal health care with communist system.

I means social insurance, drop out about public insurance, sorry for being confused and I'm not making up because social insurance and public insurance are similar but you chose to confuse.

 

[Foxrac]

a well-founded opinion with weighty background. far better than your opinion and liebling's opinion. It's written by Scott W. Atlas - a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor of radiology and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical School.

Well, their opinion is just fair like us does and no one is better than me or Liebling's opinion so none of thing is accurate.

Opinion is just opinion.

 

[Reba]

Yes under social assistance system until you are 60 years old then apply for pension benefit.

Is 60 years old the retirement age for most Germans?