Obama Did Not Thanks God in His Thanksgiving Speech

Steinhauer said:
Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

There is no "State" religion, and govenment cannot interfere with religion .... and, a publicly elected official is most certainly allowed to publicly state their religious beliefs even in their role as a representative.
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You need to read what you have submitted again. As usual, you don't understand what you are reading.:roll:
 
Reba said:
Did you enjoy being "the new kid" all the time?
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Well, I wasn't exactly the new kid for my first 4 schools. The reason why is because the Richmond Oral program had no permanent place for the local deaf kids so it was not unusual for us to go to a different school every year. I often had deaf kids from the class the year before so it wasn't as if I had to go to school with only unfamiliar faces.
 
deafskeptic said:
Well, I wasn't exactly the new kid for my first 4 schools. The reason why is because the Richmond Oral program had no permanent place for the local deaf kids so it was not unusual for us to go to a different school every year. I often had deaf kids from the class the year before so it wasn't as if I had to go to school with only unfamiliar faces.
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I was the new kid when I entered mainstream though. it was a shock to see 30 kids instead of five kids in one class room. :eek: Maybuery was my fifth school.
 
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deafskeptic said:
Reba said:
Did you enjoy being "the new kid" all the time?
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Well, I wasn't exactly the new kid for my first 4 schools. The reason why is because the Richmond Oral program had no permanent place for the local deaf kids so it was not unusual for us to go to a different school every year. I often had deaf kids from the class the year before so it wasn't as if I had to go to school with only unfamiliar faces.
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Got it. :)
 
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saywhatkid said:
Reba said:
No, not a military brat. My dad served in the Navy in WWII (communications technician/submarine sonar) but that was long before I was born. :lol:

He was a civilian electrical engineer, and transferred a lot for his work. Some of the places he worked were Bell Research Labs (NJ), Lockheed/NASA (Edwards Air Force Base, CA), NARF (San Diego), NAVAIRSYSCOM (Crystal City), and one year he freelanced and set up a back-up system for Merrill Lynch in NYC after the big East Coast power blackout messed up their business (he lived in Greenwich Village during that assignment). He had a few inventions and patents.
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I moved about 4 times in my first 6 years of life. My dad lied about his age to join the Navy in 1941. Retired at age 36 with 20 years service. :hmm:
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That was common at the time. I've known others who did that, too.

Is that your turkey dog?
 
Reba said:
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That was common at the time. I've known others who did that, too.

Is that your turkey dog?
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No, I stole that picture. Seemed like a good one!
 
i'm Canadian, but a HUGE fan of stephen colbert, and so i saw this "story" on his show...or was it the daily show, i can't remember but nonetheless,

i thought it was stupid.

there was even a clip shown where a news station (was it Fox?) brought in a preist to comment? was it really that big of a deal?

and what about the thought that not all Americans are religious, maybe they don't want to hear about god while listening to their president? although this obviously brings up the other side of religious folk wanting to hear about it. so what is the answer? i have no idea , i just thought the story was blown way out of proportion.

i'm Canadian but i watch American news stations as well
 
If President Obama forgot to thank God in his thanksgiving speech then who cares because thanking God is like a personal thing. I am tired of hearing many speeches always said "thank god thank god thank god" it's time to move on and get another term. For instance God don't make things "happens" we all the people who made it happen if we want to do it.
 
saywhatkid said:
I moved about 4 times in my first 6 years of life. My dad lied about his age to join the Navy in 1941. Retired at age 36 with 20 years service. :hmm:
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My dad lied about his age to join the Army in 1917 in WW1 . He had no birth records and just made himself a little older to join the Army.
 
This is the precedent set by Abraham Lincoln for Thanksgiving Day in the United States:

Proclamation of Thanksgiving
Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

This is the proclamation which set the precedent for America's national day of Thanksgiving. During his administration, President Lincoln issued many orders similar to this. For example, on November 28, 1861, he ordered government departments closed for a local day of thanksgiving.

Sarah Josepha Hale, a 74-year-old magazine editor, wrote a letter to Lincoln on September 28, 1863, urging him to have the "day of our annual Thanksgiving made a National and fixed Union Festival." She explained, "You may have observed that, for some years past, there has been an increasing interest felt in our land to have the Thanksgiving held on the same day, in all the States; it now needs National recognition and authoritive fixation, only, to become permanently, an American custom and institution."

Prior to this, each state scheduled its own Thanksgiving holiday at different times, mainly in New England and other Northern states. President Lincoln responded to Mrs. Hale's request immediately, unlike several of his predecessors, who ignored her petitions altogether. In her letter to Lincoln she mentioned that she had been advocating a national thanksgiving date for 15 years as the editor of Godey's Lady's Book.

The document below sets apart the last Thursday of November "as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise." According to an April 1, 1864, letter from John Nicolay, one of President Lincoln's secretaries, this document was written by Secretary of State William Seward, and the original was in his handwriting. On October 3, 1863, fellow Cabinet member Gideon Welles recorded in his diary how he complimented Seward on his work. A year later the manuscript was sold to benefit Union troops.

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State

Thanksgiving Proclamation by Abraham Lincoln
 
the "....whole American People" is misleading
many certain people are not included
 
taylorjade. said:
i'm Canadian, but a HUGE fan of stephen colbert, and so i saw this "story" on his show...or was it the daily show, i can't remember but nonetheless,

i thought it was stupid.

there was even a clip shown where a news station (was it Fox?) brought in a preist to comment? was it really that big of a deal?

and what about the thought that not all Americans are religious, maybe they don't want to hear about god while listening to their president? although this obviously brings up the other side of religious folk wanting to hear about it. so what is the answer? i have no idea , i just thought the story was blown way out of proportion.

i'm Canadian but i watch American news stations as well
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Colbert is awesome.
 
Reba said:
This is the precedent set by Abraham Lincoln for Thanksgiving Day in the United States:

Proclamation of Thanksgiving
Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

This is the proclamation which set the precedent for America's national day of Thanksgiving. During his administration, President Lincoln issued many orders similar to this. For example, on November 28, 1861, he ordered government departments closed for a local day of thanksgiving.

Sarah Josepha Hale, a 74-year-old magazine editor, wrote a letter to Lincoln on September 28, 1863, urging him to have the "day of our annual Thanksgiving made a National and fixed Union Festival." She explained, "You may have observed that, for some years past, there has been an increasing interest felt in our land to have the Thanksgiving held on the same day, in all the States; it now needs National recognition and authoritive fixation, only, to become permanently, an American custom and institution."

Prior to this, each state scheduled its own Thanksgiving holiday at different times, mainly in New England and other Northern states. President Lincoln responded to Mrs. Hale's request immediately, unlike several of his predecessors, who ignored her petitions altogether. In her letter to Lincoln she mentioned that she had been advocating a national thanksgiving date for 15 years as the editor of Godey's Lady's Book.

The document below sets apart the last Thursday of November "as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise." According to an April 1, 1864, letter from John Nicolay, one of President Lincoln's secretaries, this document was written by Secretary of State William Seward, and the original was in his handwriting. On October 3, 1863, fellow Cabinet member Gideon Welles recorded in his diary how he complimented Seward on his work. A year later the manuscript was sold to benefit Union troops.

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State

Thanksgiving Proclamation by Abraham Lincoln
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Uh....this is 2011; soon to be 2012. Things have changed over a century and a half. Not the least is which they heterogeneous and diverse population that the United States is home to.
 
Reba said:
This is the precedent set by Abraham Lincoln for Thanksgiving Day in the United States:

Proclamation of Thanksgiving
Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

This is the proclamation which set the precedent for America's national day of Thanksgiving. During his administration, President Lincoln issued many orders similar to this. For example, on November 28, 1861, he ordered government departments closed for a local day of thanksgiving.

Sarah Josepha Hale, a 74-year-old magazine editor, wrote a letter to Lincoln on September 28, 1863, urging him to have the "day of our annual Thanksgiving made a National and fixed Union Festival." She explained, "You may have observed that, for some years past, there has been an increasing interest felt in our land to have the Thanksgiving held on the same day, in all the States; it now needs National recognition and authoritive fixation, only, to become permanently, an American custom and institution."

Prior to this, each state scheduled its own Thanksgiving holiday at different times, mainly in New England and other Northern states. President Lincoln responded to Mrs. Hale's request immediately, unlike several of his predecessors, who ignored her petitions altogether. In her letter to Lincoln she mentioned that she had been advocating a national thanksgiving date for 15 years as the editor of Godey's Lady's Book.

The document below sets apart the last Thursday of November "as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise." According to an April 1, 1864, letter from John Nicolay, one of President Lincoln's secretaries, this document was written by Secretary of State William Seward, and the original was in his handwriting. On October 3, 1863, fellow Cabinet member Gideon Welles recorded in his diary how he complimented Seward on his work. A year later the manuscript was sold to benefit Union troops.

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State

Thanksgiving Proclamation by Abraham Lincoln
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It has nothing about what happen to the Native American or does it mention that they help the first settlers through the long harsh New England
winter. It does mention the civil war and hardship of widows, orphans of the war. Lincoln was against slavery but not against genocide against the Native American . IMO
 
jillio said:
Uh....this is 2011; soon to be 2012. Things have changed over a century and a half. Not the least is which they heterogeneous and diverse population that the United States is home to.
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It's the precedent, the official establishment of Thanksgiving Day in the USA, and history. That doesn't change.

I don't care what Obama said or didn't say about Thanksgiving this year. I'm just showing that, yes, there is a precedent for the President to mention God at Thanksgiving time. It's not something that just popped up this year.

A little history lesson never hurt anyone.
 
Reba said:
It's the precedent, the official establishment of Thanksgiving Day in the USA, and history. That doesn't change.

I don't care what Obama said or didn't say about Thanksgiving this year. I'm just showing that, yes, there is a precedent for the President to mention God at Thanksgiving time. It's not something that just popped up this year.

A little history lesson never hurt anyone.
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The courses of history change as well. There is no reason to doubt that it has been done.
 
Beowulf said:
The courses of history change as well. There is no reason to doubt that it has been done.
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Exactly. That was my point. The precedent needs to be seen in the historical context of the at time. This country was not as diverse and was more homogenous during that period.

There was a time when mention of slavery in particular ways related to "God" would have been acceptable and even expected. Not so today. One can only use historical precedent if context is kept in mind before attempted application to a different period.
 
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