NY passes 1st US gun control bill since massacre

diehardbiker said:
True Patriot protects the constitution of the United States, this includes 2nd Amendment.

I am deeply disturbed that our government is eroding our US constitution.
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it's not the government who is eroding our Constitution. It's the people like CrazyPaul and Brady Campaign with irrational fear of rifles who see nothing, hear nothing, and speak nothing to giving up their rights and freedom as long as they feel safe
 
radioman said:
Uh no -- its a max of seven bullets in a 10 round mag or high capacity mag. if you get caught with more then 7 - another charge added. Its just one of those weird laws passed for no real reason except to shutup a certain group fighting for a gun control but at the same time not "pissing off" the gun lobby.
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what do you mean "uh no"? you just said exactly same thing as I did. :confused:
 
Jiro said:
and what do you believe that weakening gun rights leads to?
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nothing (no effect) at overall and change the gun laws (pro, anti) aren't going affect the crime rate.
 
Foxrac said:
nothing (no effect) at overall and change the gun laws (pro, anti) aren't going affect the crime rate.
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do you have any source or statistic to back your claim?
 
airportcop said:
Whatever Project Exile is?
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harsher penalty with no possibility of parole/probation for felons caught with illegal possession of firearms.

mandatory 5-10 years with no possibility of parole/probation. this was found to be fearful for criminals. we should renew this Project Exile and continue it for entire America.
 
Jiro said:
do you have any source or statistic to back your claim?
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When federal assault weapon ban kicked in, those law weakened the gun rights, but it didn't change the crime rate in California.
California Crime Rates 1960 - 2011 (See violent)

That why - strengthening and weakening the gun rights don't have much effect on crime - that what I believe in.
 
TXgolfer said:
I disagree.

And your sources are for a 1 year time frame.
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It is still not prove that violent crime has went up because of gun ban and the violent crime has went up, down, up, down, up, down in years.

It went up in 2000 but went drop in 2012.

TXgolfer said:
Good grief.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online
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The crime rate in UK is improving in 2012 and UK was victim of recession (your source is from 2009).
 
Foxrac said:
It is still not prove that violent crime has went up because of gun ban and the violent crime has went up, down, up, down, up, down in years.

It went up in 2000 but went drop in 2012.

The crime rate in UK is improving in 2012 and UK was victim of recession (your source is from 2009).
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victim of recession? can you back your claim to prove the correlation between crime rate and recession?
 
Jiro said:
victim of recession? can you back your claim to prove the correlation between crime rate and recession?
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The crime had went up when countries were in recession, so we had recession in early 80's and again in early 90's, so crime rate was bad, also crack epidemic contributed to high crime rate. When our economy went improved, the crime rate were declining in mid and late 90's, but went spike in 2001 because of dot com bust and we were in recession for short time. The financial crisis in 2007-2008 was unusual movement because crime rate hadn't went up because of worst recession, except in Chicago, that where crime went up, but much improving in NYC and LA. The recession could cause a problem with crime but sometime, it doesn't always to apply the situation.

When crime rate went up in UK after decline, especially got bad in 2009, so it will be obvious because the recession could be contributed to increase of crime rate.

The connection between crime rate and recession is getting past in US, but may not true for UK.

There are no official research about correlation, but if you compare between recession and crime rate, so it may or may not work.
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&...44,d.b2U&fp=a58cb7fd6f61ab5f&biw=1439&bih=850
 
Foxrac said:
The crime had went up when countries were in recession, so we had recession in early 80's and again in early 90's, so crime rate was bad, also crack epidemic contributed to high crime rate. When our economy went improved, the crime rate were declining in mid and late 90's, but went spike in 2001 because of dot com bust and we were in recession for short time. The financial crisis in 2007-2008 was unusual movement because crime rate hadn't went up because of worst recession, except in Chicago, that where crime went up, but much improving in NYC and LA. The recession could cause a problem with crime but sometime, it doesn't always to apply the situation.

When crime rate went up in UK after decline, especially got bad in 2009, so it will be obvious because the recession could be contributed to increase of crime rate.

The connection between crime rate and recession is getting past in US, but may not true for UK.

There are no official research about correlation, but if you compare between recession and crime rate, so it may or may not work.
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&...44,d.b2U&fp=a58cb7fd6f61ab5f&biw=1439&bih=850
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there you go... now you understand about our correlations with gun laws and crimes.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7c_Plw8sCc]Homeowner grabs shotgun, confronts thief - YouTube[/ame]

under this law, his shotgun would be illegal.
 
Jiro said:
there you go... now you understand about our correlations with gun laws and crimes.
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It means I have different view about between gun law and crime rate?
 
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