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Reba said:
Even worse (as far as widespread long-term consequences) than being paid off or threatened is being ignored by the government officials who are supposed to control these agencies. The abuses will become worse as those agencies feel empowered by lack of outside restriction to their methods.

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True. Well said.
 
Reba said:
Even worse (as far as widespread long-term consequences) than being paid off or threatened is being ignored by the government officials who are supposed to control these agencies. The abuses will become worse as those agencies feel empowered by lack of outside restriction to their methods.

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I am sure there are some restrictions that don't allow them to do whatever but they sometimes ignore these rules. That's unacceptable. Same with other LEOs. The agencies' bosses are responsible for those wrongful actions so it's not the government's fault. The government can fire them for that matter. If the government does nothing, obviously the people in Congress are not doing their jobs.
 
Jiro said:
since ATF hasn't had a director for past several years... I suppose a "lack of oversight" is exactly what they want? a convenient plausible deniability.
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Who is responsible to nominate or hire the ATF director?
 
Foxrac said:
Who is responsible to nominate or hire the ATF director?
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the President of United States, of course... all directors of federal agencies are appointed by POTUS
 
Jiro said:
the President of United States, of course... all directors of federal agencies are appointed by POTUS
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Wow, can't believe that president cannot find a permanent ATF director.
 
Foxrac said:
Who is responsible to nominate or hire the ATF director?
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Obama to nominate Minnesota U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones as ATF director - Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal

His nomination would require the U.S. Senate's approval.
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Obama will nominate prosecutor to lead of ATF

Obama announced he would nominate Jones as part of a sweeping plan to tighten gun laws, saying Wednesday that lawmakers should approve Jones for the job "since Congress hasn't confirmed a director ... in six years." The National Rifle Association has not said whether it would support or oppose Jones' nomination to head the ATF, which has gone without a permanent director since gun-rights lobbyists pressured lawmakers to require congressional approval of nominees.
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Obama had nominated Andrew Traver, who heads the agency's field division, as ATF director in November 2010, but the nomination languished in the Senate.
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You know why.
 
ATF guns sting: Fast and Furious operation - latimes.com
A federal operation dubbed Fast and Furious allowed weapons from the U.S. to pass into the hands of suspected gun smugglers so the arms could be traced to the higher echelons of Mexican drug cartels. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the operation, has lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which have been linked to crimes, including the fatal shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.
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Exclusive: Five ATF officials found responsible for Fast and Furious - latimes.com
WASHINGTON -- Republican congressional investigators have concluded that five senior ATF officials -- from the special agent-in-charge of the Phoenix field office to the top man in the bureau’s Washington headquarters -- are collectively responsible for the failed Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation that was “marred by missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.”

The investigators, in a final report likely to be released later this week, also unearthed new evidence that agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix initially sought to hide from the Mexican government the crucial information that two Fast and Furious firearms were recovered after the brother of a Mexican state attorney general was killed there.
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Fast and Furious, which allowed some 2,500 illegal gun sales in Arizona with the hope that agents would track the weapons to Mexican drug cartels, began in fall 2009 and was halted after U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. By then, most of the weapons had been lost, and two were recovered at the scene of his slaying.
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and yet, CrazyPaul.... you want to support such a criminal agency that takes guns away from law-abiding citizens and put guns on criminals' hands? is that what you're telling me?
 
I don't want ATF to search our house without warrant and destroy anything for no reason, such as break the door, crack the wall, break the TV, etc, just like happened to family in Greeley.

I have to send a story to NRA, ACLU and pro-gun supporters, especially Jiro.

ATF needs to disband, along with DEA.
 
Jiro said:
why would you support a criminal agency that ran a scandalous Fast & Furious Operation and lied to this country? our Border Patrols and thousands of innocent people in Mexico were killed by assault weapons sold and provided by ATF.
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What year did the operation start?
 
Foxrac said:
I don't want ATF to search our house without warrant and destroy anything for no reason, such as break the door, crack the wall, break the TV, etc, just like happened to family in Greeley.

I have to send a story to NRA, ACLU and pro-gun supporters, especially Jiro.

ATF needs to disband, along with DEA.
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there's absolutely no reason for existence of ATF and DEA. We've already have FBI and IRS for that.
 
Jiro said:
ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Alright, Phoenix ATF wanted to go ahead but it fucked up.

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, acting ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting apparently did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but Phoenix ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30]
The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to monitor suspicious firearms purchases which federal prosecutors had determined lacked sufficient evidence for prosecution, as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of ArizonaDennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.[3] However, long-standing DOJ and ATF policy has required suspected illegal arms shipments to be intercepted.[4][5]
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That was stupid of them. I wouldn't approve it.
 
CrazyPaul said:
:wtf:
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IRS is responsible to crack the tax fraud down.
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Not pay taxes = your property will raid by IRS agents.
 
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