my son is deaf, finally

Grummer said:
chuck you made a really good point too, like the wait till he/she is 18 arguement, also carries the danger of the child's first 18 years could indeed be 'stolen' - AGAIN, like being d/Deaf in this we tend to get crap education because of the education system/teacher's misguided priorities on what we should/could/and would (they all mean different things but all are relevent OK?!) to be learning stuff that prepares an individual for the real world - the hearing 'world' even if we have 'language access' via terps, but this again is compromised by the fact we can never really know the hearing culture in order to gain thought-out access to literancy...

(oh fuk some is gonna go mental to me, this is to say I am in no way 'bashing Deaf alternative' the real point is, having a Deaf alternative does not guarantee our 'total acceptance' and/or intergration with the world. I just dont believe in the hearing/deaf segregation nothing will change my mind on that.
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Just to grow up Deaf doesnt mean one has to be separated from hearing people. Not at all. Maybe that happens in your country.

Many Deaf people grow up just fine without the need to hear.

If we can only stop looking at deafness from a complete medical point of view, then maybe more deaf people will have equal rights given. Unfortunately, too many people see it from such a strong medical point of view and cant get past that in order to give deaf people the accodomations. It needs to be changed but unfortunately, with the medical community's power over society, I dont think it will.
 
shel90 said:
It is apparent you see deafness as a disability while many others dont. It is all a matter of perspective. Your opinion is not everyone's opinion. Pls apply that to your own child, not on other people's children.

If hearing parents want the respect and rights to do whatever they want to their deaf children, they are right.

However, deaf parents should have the same rights too.
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but too many people, including politicised Deaf people have a mistaken view of what is disability, it is NOT from the actual impairments, it is from the way society attaches the label onto us. That is, an expectation to fail, an expectation to be different (and less), and stigmatised view in which is used to justify the way how ignorance operates.

Culture is one thing, but Rights is quite another.
 
Grummer said:
but too many people, including politicised Deaf people have a mistaken view of what is disability, it is NOT from the actual impairments, it is from the way society attaches the label onto us. That is, an expectation to fail, an expectation to be different (and less), and stigmatised view in which is used to justify the way how ignorance operates.

Culture is one thing, but Rights is quite another.
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I live my life as a Deaf person and my life couldnt be better than it was when I lived as a deaf person. It is all about self-acceptance and knowing one's rights. I didnt know what my rights were and believed that I had less rights than hearing people all because they said so. Now, I know better.
 
but rights to language and access is surely important no doubt however I believe so far in d/Deaf politics have progress hasnt gone that far, there is a lot more potential for change that just adding a 3rd party for 'every occassion'
 
Grummer said:
but too many people, including politicised Deaf people have a mistaken view of what is disability, it is NOT from the actual impairments, it is from the way society attaches the label onto us. That is, an expectation to fail, an expectation to be different (and less), and stigmatised view in which is used to justify the way how ignorance operates.

Culture is one thing, but Rights is quite another.
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No it's just basic common sense. Even if it wasn't called "disability" being deaf IS an impairment.

I understand deaf people trying to be empowered and not be ashamed of being deaf but if you don't think there is NO impairment from being deaf, then I don't know what to say, wallow in your own ignorance.
 
Chuck said:
No it's just basic common sense. Even if it wasn't called "disability" being deaf IS an impairment.

I understand deaf people trying to be empowered and not be ashamed of being deaf but if you don't think there is NO impairment from being deaf, then I don't know what to say, wallow in your own ignorance.
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So that means all immigrants should be called disabled? Some people live in a country for 40 years, and they still don't fully understand the native speakers.

Really, being Deaf is like being a immigrant.
 
I wouldn't try to make my child hearing. I wouldn't try to make my child Deaf. I would let my child make that decision.
 
CJB said:
I wouldn't try to make my child hearing. I wouldn't try to make my child Deaf. I would let my child make that decision.
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Me too.

People make claims that it is too late if you wait until a child is 18 but that's only applicable if the child has NO USEFUL HEARING. There are plenty of deaf adults who were born HOH/Deaf who do well with CI after being implanted as adult when they make their own choice in the matter.

I notice some parents implant children who already have some useful hearing. They could definately have waited.

Besides what's so terrible about being deaf. I was born HOH. It meant I was denied Deaf culture and sign language and also I was 2nd best in hearing culture. If I had been profoundly Deaf (with no useful hearing) I'm sure my parents would have exposed me to sign language but I wasn't so they didnt.
 
dreama said:
Me too.

People make claims that it is too late if you wait until a child is 18 but that's only applicable if the child has NO USEFUL HEARING. There are plenty of deaf adults who were born HOH/Deaf who do well with CI after being implanted as adult when they make their own choice in the matter.

I notice some parents implant children who already have some useful hearing. They could definately have waited.

Besides what's so terrible about being deaf. I was born HOH. It meant I was denied Deaf culture and sign language and also I was 2nd best in hearing culture. If I had been profoundly Deaf (with no useful hearing) I'm sure my parents would have exposed me to sign language but I wasn't so they didnt.
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I don't know if being profoundly deaf would have changed things for you with your parents. I was born severely profound deaf and yet, I was denied sign language all my life.
 
I feel like parents often get so caught up in what they want for their child, they forget to ask their child what they want.
 
shel90 said:
I don't know if being profoundly deaf would have changed things for you with your parents. I was born severely profound deaf and yet, I was denied sign language all my life.
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And even with the best parental support, you can still have a crappy IEP/IPP or deaf education program. My parents are pro-Deaf, but the schools I went to didn't really have a good program for deaf students which can have the same effect anyway.

Right now I kinda want to go back to the counsellors in charge of those programs and give them a smack across the foreheads for their counter-productive ideas.
 
souggy said:
So that means all immigrants should be called disabled? Some people live in a country for 40 years, and they still don't fully understand the native speakers.

Really, being Deaf is like being a immigrant.
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No but you have to admit that the immigrants have an impairment, or have a problem communicating with the rest of the people. That's what I'm trying to say here.

In some ways being deaf can be like being an immigrant but if you have the ability to hear, why not? Cochlear Implants are not perfected and I can see someone not being comfortable with it.

Im just saying that video that started this thread is full of shit.

Stem Cell research is happening but no findings will happen in our lifetime, maybe when we're really old...... but only our children or grandchildren will benefit from that. So if you're a deaf adult then why not get the cochlear implant?

You can see the smiles on the cochlear implant patients, you cannot deny someone that hapiness.
 
Chuck said:
No but you have to admit that the immigrants have an impairment, or have a problem communicating with the rest of the people. That's what I'm trying to say here.

In some ways being deaf can be like being an immigrant but if you have the ability to hear, why not? Cochlear Implants are not perfected and I can see someone not being comfortable with it.

Im just saying that video that started this thread is full of shit.

Stem Cell research is happening but no findings will happen in our lifetime, maybe when we're really old...... but only our children or grandchildren will benefit from that. So if you're a deaf adult then why not get the cochlear implant?

You can see the smiles on the cochlear implant patients, you cannot deny someone that hapiness.
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When a deaf child has access to his/her environment via ASL, you can see the smile on their faces. I see that everyday with my deaf students. I cannot deny them that.
 
Shel and Souggy: I guess you are right. There would still be oportunity to mess up even with profound deafness.
 
dreama said:
Shel and Souggy: I guess you are right. There would still be oportunity to mess up even with profound deafness.
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Yeppers, I was one messed up child who turned into one messed up adult until I accepted my deafness. Now, I am every therapist's nightmare. :lol:
 
I was watching w/o reading this thread first and was having a devil of a time, ...

*what the heck sign is rubbing hands together... and WHY is he ROCKING! I wonder how many times he rocks a sentence- whoops! what he say? wait! you spell too fast for, 13 time he rocked in that- I wonder what hand rubbing is... wait hate what?*
 
FireTiger said:
I was watching w/o reading this thread first and was having a devil of a time, ...

*what the heck sign is rubbing hands together... and WHY is he ROCKING! I wonder how many times he rocks a sentence- whoops! what he say? wait! you spell too fast for, 13 time he rocked in that- I wonder what hand rubbing is... wait hate what?*
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:confused:
 
FireTiger said:
I was watching w/o reading this thread first and was having a devil of a time, ...

*what the heck sign is rubbing hands together... and WHY is he ROCKING! I wonder how many times he rocks a sentence- whoops! what he say? wait! you spell too fast for, 13 time he rocked in that- I wonder what hand rubbing is... wait hate what?*
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Maybe the hand rubbing is a verbal tick? :dunno:
 
shel90 said:
When a deaf child has access to his/her environment via ASL, you can see the smile on their faces. I see that everyday with my deaf students. I cannot deny them that.
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Again, comparing apples to oranges.

You're saying denying someone to be deaf is the same as denying someone's hearing?
 
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