more interpreter issues...UGH!

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CSign said:
Holy vaca. Is that how you say cow in Spanish?

Seriously. This is ridiculous.

First of all, to clarify... I haven't fought for years to get a qualified terp for my son. We fought his first year of elementary school, finally getting two great terps. I was saying that I know school districts can suck, and do their best to provide minimal accomodations. I'm saying, I've had to fight them year after year for one thing or another (or several others) so I'm well aware that deaf education is not all "peaches and cream."

Second of all, we are all in agreement on this topic. So what is this major malfunction? Are some so blinded by their feelings that they aren't even seeing that there is no disagreement?
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To get what? A SEE transliterator?
 
GrendelQ said:
:laugh2: OK. Here's the thing -- I think PFH thinks I take issue with that job he had. I didn't, I don't. I hadn't even been addressing that. Looking at his posts, I think he was intending to help deaf kids and found out the place wasn't doing that at all, so he left in protest. Or maybe that's my misinterpretation, and he actually was in a job that helps kids who have been screwed out of their resources. And then left for some other reason. My point was that I hadn't even been addressing that aspect of his posts, but rather his concerns about CSign's right to request a qualified terp for her child, regardless of her own fluency in ASL.
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yes. it is a huge misinterpretation and misunderstanding on your part; therefore, you have made no point in your post.
 
CSign said:
I think you know as well as I do, that I've been clear that it's not "that simple". Nothing in life is that simple.
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Then let's get real. Stop presenting it as if it is that simple.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
Then let's get real. Stop presenting it as if it is that simple.:cool2:
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Ok Jillio.

Every time I make a point about what our rights are, should I follow it with... "it's a huge pain in the ass. It's very difficult and time consuming. It's easier to just sit here and complain about it rather than actually do something about it.". Is that "real" enough?

Like I said, I prefer to focus on what can be done rather than focus on how shitty things are.
 
CSign said:
Ok Jillio.

Every time I make a point about what our rights are, should I follow it with... "it's a huge pain in the ass. It's very difficult and time consuming. It's easier to just sit here and complain about it rather than actually do something about it.". Is that "real" enough?

Like I said, I prefer to focus on what can be done rather than focus on how shitty things are.
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Then you prefer to give an innacurrate picture of the way things are. :dunno2:

Knowing that the rights are there and can be enforced by law does nothing to educate a parent on HOW those rights are to be applied to the child and his/her unique circumstances. Knowing that they can legally demand a terp does nothing to educate that parent regarding the difference between an ASL terp and a transliterator, or the implications that go with it, for instance.
 
CSign said:
Ok Jillio.

Every time I make a point about what our rights are, should I follow it with... "it's a huge pain in the ass. It's very difficult and time consuming. It's easier to just sit here and complain about it rather than actually do something about it.". Is that "real" enough?

Like I said, I prefer to focus on what can be done rather than focus on how shitty things are.
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CSign - why must you be so resistant and stubborn? Do you not understand that we have about 10-20+ years head start on you?

Don't you think it's prudent to listen and acknowledge it so that you can use it to your advantage to ensure that your son does not have to go thru what we went thru? Why repeat same ole'? You don't have to go thru hell and high water, ya know? You're very lucky that we have paved the way for young'uns and that they have all these great technologies available for them that we didn't have back in our days.
 
posts from hell said:
I refer you to the first few posts I quoted in this very post. You're taking the position suggesting that the laws are there and things are peachy just because the laws are there. Totally uncool in my book.

Trying to throw that on the top of what I had to say is also seen as an effort to downplay the gravity of the situation that is actually happening. (On top of not acknowledging but challenging what I had to say.)

And don't forget my post where I mentioned that there are COUNTLESS of uneducated parents out there for the deaf children (let alone hearing kids!). How are they armed with the correct information regarding their and the child rights? But again, for this very specific situation, (which happens often (yes i said that again)) the laws are there, but the schools are circumventing them under the guise of doing good.

It's very simple, really.
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The real question here re the laws is that are they actually being enforced or followed?
 
Law might be there but it all down depends on how well parents know about their deaf child rights at school. Most parents sadly don't know what their deaf child right to have and they also don't know if service their deaf child got is good or bad because usually if they watch and if interpreter is signing fast, parents assume interpreter must be good to sign that fast even though interpreter is rubbish. Basically law is useless if parents are clueless.

IF parents know well enough about their deaf child rights to have at school and IF parents know quality of service their deaf child gets then they can use law if it not right for their deaf child.
 
Speedy Hawk said:
Law might be there but it all down depends on how well parents know about their deaf child rights at school. Most parents sadly don't know what their deaf child right to have and they also don't know if service their deaf child got is good or bad because usually if they watch and if interpreter is signing fast, parents assume interpreter must be good to sign that fast even though interpreter is rubbish. Basically law is useless if parents are clueless.

IF parents know well enough about their deaf child rights to have at school and IF parents know quality of service their deaf child gets then they can use law if it not right for their deaf child.
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True, that, Speedy Hawk. Parents seem to know what their children's rights are better than they know how to judge quality of service and whether needs are being appropriately accommodated. Too many accept whatever the school system tells them is appropriate.
 
I think the big thing parents need to know is that it's almost completely up to them. If you don't walk into the IEP meeting well-informed and well-educated and ready to be an "expert witness" on your child's behalf then the school district is going to walk all over you, and you likely won't even know it because they'll do it with a smile on their face and an air of superiority.

The law in and of itself won't do your child a lick of good unless you know how to wield it to your advantage.
 
Mountain Man said:
I think the big thing parents need to know is that it's almost completely up to them. If you don't walk into the IEP meeting well-informed and well-educated and ready to be an "expert witness" on your child's behalf then the school district is going to walk all over you, and you likely won't even know it because they'll do it with a smile on their face and an air of superiority.

The law in and of itself won't do your child a lick of good unless you know how to wield it to your advantage.
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Even then it can still be a challenge. You just have to be prepared to fight the good fight, and see it through to the end.
 
Mountain Man said:
I think the big thing parents need to know is that it's almost completely up to them. If you don't walk into the IEP meeting well-informed and well-educated and ready to be an "expert witness" on your child's behalf then the school district is going to walk all over you, and you likely won't even know it because they'll do it with a smile on their face and an air of superiority.

The law in and of itself won't do your child a lick of good unless you know how to wield it to your advantage.
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Schools absolutely hate it when I show up at an IEP meeting. It is a reputation I worked very hard to earn, and I enjoy every minute of it.:lol:
 
But it's true. Have you read any of the anecdotes by all the deaf posters here about our school district experiences because the choices made weren't the best? Regardless of what laws are in place? It still happens to this day -- we even have high-schoolers posting here with very similar issues.
 
AlleyCat said:
But it's true. Have you read any of the anecdotes by all the deaf posters here about our school district experiences because the choices made weren't the best? Regardless of what laws are in place? It still happens to this day -- we even have high-schoolers posting here with very similar issues.
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Yes, I've read many different accounts.

My, "um, ok" was in reference to the fact that I echoed what MM was saying, in terms of school districts being difficult.

To that he decided to state that the laws I pointed out are "irrelevant because deaf kids still end up getting screwed thanks to ignorant parents."

Seems like we are on a merry go round here.

I would absolutely disagree that the laws are irrelevant. They are actually very relevant, and provide the ammo necessary to fight the SD's to get the child what they need and are legally entitled to.

I am not sure why he's taking blanket position against, "ignorant parents" being wholly responsible for their Childs services and education. The entire IEP team is responsible for ensuring that the child is accessing the curriculum, and that their needs are being met.

As a parent, of course I feel that it is ultimately our responsibility to fight for what our child needs. However, I find it to be bizarre to blame all deaf kids education (or lack there of) on the "ignorant parents."

It's a collective responsibility when it comes to the IEP process.

Also; in my pointing out that there are in fact laws in place to protect our kids, some parent might read this thread and realize that their child has protection. That they have the power to fight for what their kid needs rather than submit in defeat- to the Childs detriment.

In fact, reading that there are laws is much more empowering and helpful than reading, "oh, it sucks. Deaf kids never get what they need because school districts place college ASL students as interpreters with school age children".

They will realize that their child is legally entitled to a certified interpreter- not a college ASL student. They will have the power to fight it.
 
posts from hell said:
It was just how you said things, Csign..... Will you ever learn is the question.
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I think you both need to acknowledge that you come from different backgrounds and are naturally going to say things in a different way (even if what you are trying to convey turns out to be very similar) and move on.
 
Jane B. said:
I think you both need to acknowledge that you come from different backgrounds and are naturally going to say things in a different way (even if what you are trying to convey turns out to be very similar) and move on.
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input received.
 
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