more interpreter issues...UGH!

[deafskeptic]

I strongly would NOT reccomend family to become the children's interpreters except in social situations.

Absolutely NOT!

 

[shel90]

Exactly. I don't understand how that could be misinterpreted, hence the post report for trolling.

So silly and childish!

 

[posts from hell]

Thanks for the advice, although knowing your ongoing campaign against me, I don't think anything you direct at me is done so with good intentions and everyone knows it. My daughter is currently doing OK without terps at the bi-bi school she has attended for the past 4 years where ASL is the primary language of instruction and interaction and 40% of the staff is d/Deaf. Actually, though, you might want to take note of the story coolgirlspyer90 recounts, perhaps it's more relevant.

First of all: I was never talking about your daughter. You feel like everyone on alldeaf talks about your daughter. This is not true. Matter of a tiny fact so you know for your future endeavors: I don't even think about your daughter, and I doubt many here thinks about your kid when we post.

Second: It's not an "ongoing campaign against you" as much as it is an "ongoing campaign against twisting of information". The exact reason i said post reported is what everyone else saw; I was clear on my position on disliking the situation where kids are provided less than acceptable accommodation, and you came out and said that I was promoting exactly the opposite. See where we're getting at now? So far - You're the only one that holds that view while I cannot see for the life of me how I can be any more clear on my position especially after I stated that I had to leave my job, and I was physically sick about it.

Third: I am obviously pointing your twists out. Maybe that is why you feel there's a campaign out by me.. But many other members here see the same. We have a boatload of very intelligent members on AllDeaf, they all know who they are, that are capable of making their own decisions. I do not go around telling people stuff about you.
You are a nobody in my life. I don't even think about you when I leave the forum. If there was a campaign against you, I would be thinking about it very deeply while I work, while I eat, while I shower building up a strategy plan against you. However, I'm very thankful I don't have that problem.

Yes, Coolgirlspyer90's story isn't relevant to my daughter's situation -- that's exactly what I was pointing out to PFH, who told me to "take note" of it.

You ask me what you are to make of my description of my daughter as "doing ok"? I didn't use the word "merely." I don't know, what does that mean to you, seems pretty straightforward to me? Since you've asked, though, I'd be glad to be more specific -- she's happy, healthy, loves school and her teachers, has a ton of friends, interacts with ease in Deaf and Hearing environments, is fluent in two languages, working on a third, is loving her competitive rhythmic gymnastics team and kung fu, piano lessons are not thrilling her as much as they once did and so we may soon swap for ballet, she's performing well above age level and blowing all assessments out of the water, both those normed for deaf kids and those designed for typical hearing kids. But I suspect if I had stated that, instead of saying "she's doing OK" you'd probably get all huffy and think I was promoting the wonders of cochlear implants or something.

Again: Nobody here was talking about your daughter. I told you and Csign to take note of it because these issues does happen while you guys suggested in previous posts that these issues doesn't happen out there in our nation. Simple as that.

Bottom line: Like I have told you in PM's - I have NO idea why you continue blur things like trying to suggest that I promote the dissolution of services for the deaf (!!!)... It's actually sickening when you do it over and over and over and people are saying they don't even know if you're intentionally doing it or not. If you want no problems with me, less reported posts by me... Don't do that. Don't play games.

It's actually not hard, really. There is nobody out to get you. Don't worry. Everyone respects your choices with your kid. I mean, really.......... And I am NOT being sarcastic.

 

[CSign]

Again: Nobody here was talking about your daughter. I told you and Csign to take note of it because these issues does happen while you guys suggested in previous posts that these issues doesn't happen out there in our nation. Simple as that.



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The challenge is, Neither of us have said in this thread that, "bad terps don't exist" and that, "everything is peachy".

I have addressed the fact that there are laws on place, and people need to assert their rights...among many other things. I've mentioned filing a compliance complaint at least two times in this thread, if the terp isn't appropriate.

Nowhere did I say, or even imply deaf education is a bed of rose petals.

I see it every day, and I know it can be a large bed of roses filled with the sharpest thorns around.

It seems that it has been entirely forgotten- or overlooked, that this is an older
thread, and the situation was resolved.

It also seems that we all agree that deaf students should have certified Educational Interpreters.

I'm not sure what all this "disagreement" is about, when we are not really in "disagreement" in this thread.

 

[CSign]

I strongly would NOT reccomend family to become the children's interpreters except in social situations.

I agree with you. Even if the parent were a CODA; let's say, and they were a certified terp... The child should and needs to have the opportunity to be autonomous and learn to navigate through this world... Without their parent there at every turn.

Jiro had intially brought that scenario into play, not quite sure why.

 

[posts from hell]

In California Educational Interpreters must be certified, regardless of the age of student.

Educational Interpreter Regulations - Laws, Regulations, & Policies (CA Dept of Education)

Most states require at least a score of 3.5 on the EIPA and/or certification through RID.

State Regulations for Interpreters

Educational agencies (the public school system) is required to provide certified interpreters, not students who've graduated from their second year of an ASL class.

Don't act so naive. I've been there, I've seen it, I've taken part of helping deaf students getting screwed in the state that REQUIRES the above.

Why would you take part in that? I would think participating in placing an unqualified terp with a student would go against your moral compass.

I'm not naive, I'm stating the facts. We have already been through the discussion that if a terp is unqualified, or does not provide the student with benefit they should be replaced. Parents and guardians are equal members of the IEP team.

The challenge is, Neither of us have said in this thread that, "bad terps don't exist" and that, "everything is peachy".

I have addressed the fact that there are laws on place, and people need to assert their rights...among many other things. I've mentioned filing a compliance complaint at least two times in this thread, if the terp isn't appropriate.

Nowhere did I say, or even imply deaf education is a bed of rose petals.

I see it every day, and I know it can be a large bed of roses filled with the sharpest thorns around.

It seems that it has been entirely forgotten- or overlooked, that this is an older
thread, and the situation was resolved.

It also seems that we all agree that deaf students should have certified Educational Interpreters.

I'm not sure what all this "disagreement" is about, when we are not really in "disagreement" in this thread.

I refer you to the first few posts I quoted in this very post. You're taking the position suggesting that the laws are there and things are peachy just because the laws are there. Totally uncool in my book.

Trying to throw that on the top of what I had to say is also seen as an effort to downplay the gravity of the situation that is actually happening. (On top of not acknowledging but challenging what I had to say.)

And don't forget my post where I mentioned that there are COUNTLESS of uneducated parents out there for the deaf children (let alone hearing kids!). How are they armed with the correct information regarding their and the child rights? But again, for this very specific situation, (which happens often (yes i said that again)) the laws are there, but the schools are circumventing them under the guise of doing good.

It's very simple, really.

 

[posts from hell]

Either way, older thread or not, misinformation is harmful and should be corrected.

 

[CSign]

I refer you to the first few posts I quoted in this very post.You're taking the position suggesting that the laws are there and things are peachy just because the laws are there.
Totally uncool in my book.
No- that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying file a compliance complaint and assert the Childs rights.


Trying to throw that on the top of what I had to say is also seen as an effort to downplay the gravity of the situation that is actually happening. (On top of not acknowledging but challenging what I had to say.)

Well that's an inflammatory post if I've ever seen one. I'm not downplaying the gravity of any situation- I'm saying assert the Childs rights. You are well aware that comments like the above only perpetuate false information, and encourages others to chime in with chastising posts about something that didn't exist in the first place.

It's very simple, really.

See my response in red.

 

[posts from hell]

See my response in red.

I edited, see my edit. If you feel that it's inflammatory - sorry. Just stating it as I see it. You hadn't acknowledged.

 

[CSign]

I second what Reba is saying. Your interpreter is bound by certain rules and regulations. Interpreting what's going in in your surroundings (be it academic or social) is her primary responsibility. If she's acting unprofessional, and interpreting only segments of the curriculum she is not holding true to her basic responsibility. You, being an individual who uses ASL as their primary mode of communication are certainly more in the position of making appropriate judgement calls as to the kind of access she's really giving you.

This boils down to accessibility and professionalism. Based on the lack of accessibility alone is enough grounds for you to request and receive a new interpreter. The contract is void if one party doesn't live up to their end of the bargain.

You and your parents need to stand strong. You need to be firm in knowing
that it's your right to access the curriculum and social settings. It is not the
interpreters right to interject their personal beliefs during your school day.
If the school doesn't agree to hire a new interpreter, you and your parents
need to file a compliance complaint in your state.
Good luck. I hope the SD stops messing around and takes this situation
seriously.

My first post in this thread. In response to the original topic.

 

[CSign]

Just because you are a minor doesn't mean you should be treated differently. You deserve the same respect as any other person.

Just an idea... Have you considered informing the school district that you cannot come back until they have a new terp? You, as well ad your parents should write a letter laying everything out.

You are 16, right? You are old enough to advocate for yourself, with your parents right there with you. Forget about this, "I'm a minor." You are an individual who has the legal right to access the curriculum.

Did your teacher who observed the interpreter coming late document it as well? You might want to write it on a seperate piece of paper, and have this teacher sign off that he/she witnessed it to.
I really think if you tell the school you will not attend until they hire in a new
person, they will take you seriously.
Don't stand by and let this continue. Stand up for yourself and stand up for
your rights.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I highly suggest filing a compliance
complaint.

My second post in this thread. Common theme, asserting rights and compliance complaint.

 

[posts from hell]

:shrug: I don't care. I stated it as I saw it. You're not going to change my mind. Just take a look at my previous quotes, and see my explanation. Your first post or two does not help what happened later on in the conversation.

 

[Secretblend]

You two, it's obvious nobody is gonna change their minds.. Why don't you two agree to disagree and move on?

 

[posts from hell]

You two, it's obvious nobody is gonna change their minds.. Why don't you two agree to disagree and move on?

input received.

 

[CSign]

If a student has it written in their IEP that they will have an interpreter for the school day, then they are there for the student. Yes, the district or county office hires them but they are there to provide access to communication. They have an obligation to try to prevent something dangerous from happening, but they aren't there to "baby sit" the students. I'm sure Reba can elaborate more...

Some districts try to wriggle out of responsibilities, including not hiring certified terps. They achieve this by writing in the students IEP that they will have a classroom "aid" that signs, or something to that effect. This way they aren't legally obligated to provide a certified interpreter.

Parents should be aware of this. I'd never sign off on an IEP if it was not clear that my child were to have a certified interpreter.

PFH- I acknowledged what you're talking about on page 3.

 

[posts from hell]

PFH- I acknowledged what you're talking about on page 3.

Ah, page 2 for me. Before our discourse though.

 

[Jiro]

I agree with you. Even if the parent were a CODA; let's say, and they were a certified terp... The child should and needs to have the opportunity to be autonomous and learn to navigate through this world... Without their parent there at every turn.

Jiro had intially brought that scenario into play, not quite sure why.

let me help you then...

To answer your question: I am fluent in SEE and well versed when it cones to ASL. I also have open lines of communication with my son. The factors listed above enable me to help make that determination.

If I didn't know sign, but I wanted my child to have a terp (I don't think thus is often the case, but I'll respond) I would ask to see their certifications and also have a dialogue with my child about how things are going.

In terms of that being your job, ok. I would leave the second I noticed things were haywire if I wasn't able to make a change, but that's just me.

would you be able to interpret for your son in classes?

I have interpreted for my son when we weren't able to get a terp provided in time. Not at school, but for his extra-curricular activities.

So to answer your question, yes.

I specifically asked if you would be able to terp for your son in classes.

so... let's just forget about credential and all these legal mumba jumba for today. Would you be able to terp for your son in classes?

 

[CSign]

let me help you then...


so... let's just forget about credential and all these legal mumba jumba for today. Would you be able to terp for your son in classes?

What is the point of your question?

It's clear no matter what way I answer you'll find some way to twist it into a negative.

Beyond that, whether or not I can or would interpret for my son in class bears no relevance to this thread. This isn't a question about parents interpreting for their children in class.

It's about an interpreter being certified and fulfilling their responsibilities.

 

[Jiro]

What is the point of your question?

It's clear no matter what way I answer you'll find some way to twist it into a negative.

Beyond that, whether or not I can or would interpret for my son in class bears no relevance to this thread. This isn't a question about parents interpreting for their children in class.

It's about an interpreter being certified and fulfilling their responsibilities.

so why did you answer my question? Can't remember? here -

I have interpreted for my son when we weren't able to get a terp provided in time. Not at school, but for his extra-curricular activities.

So to answer your question, yes.

since you've answered my question that didn't really answer my question... I clarified my question for you. So what's your answer to my clarified question?

are you backpedaling now?

 

[CSign]

so why did you answer my question? Can't remember? here -


since you've answered my question that didn't really answer my question... I clarified my question for you. So what's your answer to my clarified question?

are you backpedaling now?

Nope. Not backpedaling. I engaged your first question, although against my better judgement. I didn't respond to your second response, as whether or not I can interpret for my son In classes has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Why do you continue asking me this?

What is your point Jiro? Is there one? Or do you want to just stick it to me any way you can?