Mom sprayed 2 year-old for tantrum

Actually the mother is holding the child's right arm while spraying the child to prevent her from falling and moves the hose away to talk to the child.
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No, the mother is not holding the child up, she's pinned the child against the wall, the child has to brace herself to keep from falling as she tries to move away from the pressure. Watch the video again, this time a little more closely. I dont think the mother looks anything like she is talking calmly to the child, look at the body language and the wide movement of the lips- to me this indicates yelling AND not to mention the car wash attendant overheard this as well as the camera mic picking it up over the sound of cars and hoses not just in her bay, but in surrounding bays as well.

I hope you dont think this behavior is acceptable in any circumstance.

Today out of curiosity I sprayed myself at work with high pressure hose when I hosed my boots off, through my jeans it hurt, the pressure alone was painful not to mention the dense water sliding against your body at a high rate of force and speed. I can only imagine what it must have felt like for a 2 year old child on bare skin. The poor girl was frieghtened for her life! As stated before the examination took place 11 DAYS AFTER the event. Nearly TWO WEEKS! Yes bruises and abrasions will have healed up in that time frame. Most heal in a week. The examination took no consideration of the mental and emotional bruises this girl carries around.
 
Dixie said:
No, the mother is not holding the child up, she's pinned the child against the wall, the child has to brace herself to keep from falling as she tries to move away from the pressure. Watch the video again, this time a little more closely. I dont think the mother looks anything like she is talking calmly to the child, look at the body language and the wide movement of the lips- to me this indicates yelling AND not to mention the car wash attendant overheard this as well as the camera mic picking it up over the sound of cars and hoses not just in her bay, but in surrounding bays as well.

I hope you dont think this behavior is acceptable in any circumstance.

Today out of curiosity I sprayed myself at work with high pressure hose when I hosed my boots off, through my jeans it hurt, the pressure alone was painful not to mention the dense water sliding against your body at a high rate of force and speed. I can only imagine what it must have felt like for a 2 year old child on bare skin. The poor girl was frieghtened for her life! As stated before the examination took place 11 DAYS AFTER the event. Nearly TWO WEEKS! Yes bruises and abrasions will have healed up in that time frame. Most heal in a week. The examination took no consideration of the mental and emotional bruises this girl carries around.
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and not to mention ... her face was also sprayed.. the pressure of the water chould have went in her nose or mouth and caused her to inhale the water due to the pressure, especially if the child was screaming and crying. They need to check if she has fluids in her lungs, If they haven't already.
 
Freaky Cat said:
i agree with you!!!! at full force to see how she feel being in the toddler's shoes. jeez!



right toddlers cant help as they are learning how to do this as this is new to them so gotta givem patience and understanding.. I remmy i took tj with me to the store and he wet himself..so good t hing i had extra clothes in diaper bag just in case but still after that I always asked do u need to go to bathroom before we go somewhere.. it actually always work whew!!! hehe..same as at bedtime cuz Tj do wet bed sometimes.. so make him go before go bed does work cuz he didnt wet bed. :)



yes but still it doesnt give the mother right to spray the toddler with that? it can give the little kid blisters with air blasting thru the skins and cause pains. It is not right! Toileting accident happens. they are learning and mother just have no patience. jeez.
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I wasn't saying that she had a right to do that. I was just explaining what a tantrum was.
 
Hey, You guys wont believe what mother said this morning on TV "Good Morning America" show. She said that " I am a great mother" ohhh please! ! She said you guys dont know what s going on before! So, make me really BIG BIG BIG PISSED ! lol

So, She will face charges in court as soon. Im watching her! Make sure that she supposed be in jail! :fingersx:

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ScubaladyTx said:
Hey, You guys wont believe what mother said this morning on TV "Good Morning America" show. She said that " I am a great mother" ohhh please! ! She said you guys dont know what s going on before! So, make me really BIG BIG BIG PISSED ! lol

So, She will face charges in court as soon. Im watching her! Make sure that she supposed be in jail! :fingersx:

:afro:

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what??? she said so "i am a great mother" what that fuck!!! *grrrrr*
I am never happy, what she does with their kid abuse. It is enough to proof on the video.
 
ScubaladyTx said:
Hey, You guys wont believe what mother said this morning on TV "Good Morning America" show. She said that " I am a great mother" ohhh please! ! She said you guys dont know what s going on before! So, make me really BIG BIG BIG PISSED ! lol

So, She will face charges in court as soon. Im watching her! Make sure that she supposed be in jail! :fingersx:

:afro:

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IF she said that "I am a great mother" then she should not have done that to her daughter with high powered water spray!!! *SMH* So, that is obliviously that she is BALD White two faced liar mother!!!!!!!

Sunshinelady said:
what??? she said so "i am a great mother" what that fuck!!! *grrrrr*
I am never happy, what she does with their kid abuse. It is enough to proof on the video.
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I agree with you "WTF" about her stated on Good Morning America!!! We all are glad that she caught by survilience video as she did not know that the car wash have those! :giggle: Too bad for her to be stupiditiy on the camera that she caught!!! What a pity is she? I bet all of us are not feeling sorry for the mother but the child itself yes!!! I am sure of that this child will have scarring for rest of her life if she remembers!!!
 
I remember when I first saw this video clip. I though to myself 'how terrible for that child'. Those pressure hoses hurt like a mofo. I sprayed my leg on the leg and it felt like sandpaper.
I couldn't image spraying someone, much less a child, with it and have the gall to say it was fitting punishment for anything.
 
Update

Niurka Ramirez is facing one count of child abuse after a camera videotaped her spray her two-year-old daughter at a car wash. Ramirez said she was trying to cool her daughter off after a temper tantrum. (ABC)

A 22-year-old Florida mother who was videotaped using a pressure hose on her toddler at a car wash said she was shocked when police charged her.

Niurka Ramirez said that she didn't want to spank her 2-year-old when she began having a temper tantrum at the car wash and that she was only trying to calm her daughter.

"She was having a kicking and screaming attack on the car," she said on "Good Morning America" today.

So, Ramirez turned the hose to the child.

"[I thought] she would relax. The water would calm her. It would relax her," she said.

What Ramirez didn't realize was that a surveillance camera was capturing the event. The videotape made its way to the media and a search began for the mystery woman on the tape. Ramirez turned herself in to Orlando police a day after the video made the rounds on television stations.

She was charged Friday with child abuse and was released Saturday on $1,000 bail, according to The Associated Press.

Ramirez, who currently is pregnant, blamed television for her arrest.

"I think it just happened because it's the media," she said.

While she admitted wetting her daughter, Ramirez said the hose was not on high pressure, which could be powerful enough to tear flesh.

But the car wash manager who was there at the time said she believes the hose was on high pressure.

Marlene Diaz said she initially didn't think the hose was on high, but after watching the video, she is convinced it was.

"From the video in the beginning, it's high pressure. I stand by that 100 percent," Diaz said.

Diaz said she witnessed the incident between Ramirez and her daughter.

"I heard the child screaming and it was a horrific scream," Diaz said. "She kind of stopped a little bit and started talking to the child in Spanish telling the child, 'you're going to respect me. You're not going to treat me bad. I'm your mother.'"

Ramirez maintained she didn't pull the water gun's trigger and said if she had the evidence it would be visible. "She would have been bruised, she would have been cut. She would have been screaming," Ramirez said.

A nurse reported the girl had no visible injuries 11 days after the incident, according to the AP.

The Department of Social Services visited Ramirez's home, but found no reason to remove the child, said Ramirez's lawyer Circe Zamora on "Good Morning America" today.

Zamora said today Ramirez now knows what she did was inappropriate.

"We would agree it was wrong," Zamora said. "She'll be taking parenting classes."

Even with controversy and criminal charges surrounding her, Ramirez said she believes she is a good parent.

"I am a great mother. I love my daughter to death," she said.
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ABC News: Mother Hoses Child: Chargeable Offense?
 
This mother was not thinking clearly about what she was doing to her poor two year old. She needs to go to some parenting class and learn how to deal with her child definately will have to she's already committed child abuse possibly get her child removed from her from the article above that's not going to happen social services didn't find any reason for that. Crazy lady.
 
I'd say the only reason she is taking parenting classes is because her lawyer told her it would look good to the judge if she was already taking classes before her trial. I don;t believe this woman thinks she did anything wrong.
 
a good mother wouldnt do to her child by spraying the pressure washer on the kid. Just ignore the child and let kid yell whatever but the child will realize you are not paying attention to the child eventually the child will give up and stop yelling.

She still is wrong, period. she is not a good mother. she is UNFIT mother!!!!!!!
 
lumbingmi said:
Nowadays, kids are being problematic and dont obey their parents. That why you see so many news of school shooting or kids doing drugs or get themselves in troubles. Parents can't do anything because kids are being too overprotected by laws. One spank or hit to a kid and it's CHILD ABUSE. wtf? It is sad that parents are losting the control over their kids bec parents are afraid that kids are going to sue them and put them in jail. Pity.
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Well, putting them in the car wash and getting hosed like that child is going too far. MUCH too far. I would never condone something like that. What that mother did is grounds for jail time. This mother deserves to lose her her child and the child has a right to a safe home.

A swat to the bottom isn't grounds for getting parents thrown in jail. If the parents hurts the child in the process - oh yes, that's grounds for being thrown in jail. We're talking broken bones and stitches here and lots of bruises here.
 
I hate to tell you guys but I agree with the mother. A 2 years old child CANT learn anything what's right and what's wrong until the child is enough to grasp. I am not jumping to the wrong conclusion like you guys did until you heard the side of the mother's story. Well, I would have done it if I were the mother, thats not because of her punishment but because she peed herself and needs clean up. In Spanish world, parents believe that strict disciplining a child is the best way to learn. Tough love instead child abuse is an expression used when someone treats another person harshly or sternly with the intent to help them in the long run.

In most uses, there must be some actual love or feeling of affection behind the harsh or stern treatment to be defined as tough love. For example, mother sprays to clean her wetted daughter until she stops doing again that would be said to be practicing tough love.

Tough Love

Sometimes children have been so spoiled, neglected, or abused either verbally or physically, that they don't respond to normal methods of discipline. Other times they are simply very strong-willed and determined. Dr. James Dobsen, author, lecturer, and radio show host, has published an outstanding book called "The Strong-Willed Child," that tells numerous ways for adults to deal with stubbornness without being abusive. His bottom line is that kids thrive on discipline when it is properly used -- discipline, not abuse (no hitting or yelling). When kids are given limits and boundaries and expected to stay within them, they know you care.

Tough love is when your toughness matches the stubbornness of the child in question. It requires consistency and follow-through. For example, when children are given loving instructions and they fail to follow them, it's time to take away TV, Nintendo, or computer privileges until compliance has been reached. Always make sure they complete the task before they return to play.

With older kids who aren't following rules about curfews, use of the car, or proper public behavior it may be necessary to confiscate the car keys for a day or two, or revoke other privileges which mean a lot to them. They need to learn that cars, computers, video games, movies, etc. are privileges, not rights, and they need to be earned through responsible behavior.

In extreme cases where they might be violations of the law, instead of paying bail and taking Jr. home, ask the judge in private if he can arrange for you child to have a supervised visit to the jail and talk to prisoners so Jr. can see what he is missing. Or ask the judge to let Jr. perform community service instead of jail-time so that he suffers actual consequences for his actions instead of just being excused for a first offense, as if first offenses are not a big concern.

If your child is attending parties where alcohol is served and not being responsible about driving, show him/her you care. Revoke driving privileges. Teach your child that drinking and driving don't mix. Teach him by example, not just words.
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Yeah just words do not work sometimes.
 
DefMATRIXense said:
I hate to tell you guys but I agree with the mother. A 2 years old child CANT learn anything what's right and what's wrong until the child is enough to grasp. I am not jumping to the wrong conclusion like you guys did until you heard the side of the mother's story. Well, I would have done it if I were the mother, thats not because of her punishment but because she peed herself and needs clean up. In Spanish world, parents believe that strict disciplining a child is the best way to learn. Tough love instead child abuse is an expression used when someone treats another person harshly or sternly with the intent to help them in the long run.

In most uses, there must be some actual love or feeling of affection behind the harsh or stern treatment to be defined as tough love. For example, mother sprays to clean her wetted daughter until she stops doing again that would be said to be practicing tough love.


Yeah just words do not work sometimes.
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yes but the car pressure washer is not the ideal way to use on a small toddler? water hose maybe. but the car pressure washer? NO! it can tear the skins off and make it bleed? and it can leave blisters in the wake due to airs coming in skins at high speed.

Have you ever tried the car pressure washer on yourself before? try and feel it then you will see?

You cant do this to a child. Thats what clothes are for? kids at that age are LEARNING and beside its probably mothers fault for not asking the toddler if she need to go to the bathroom before they go somewhere? I always asked my son if he need to go then we would go somewhere. the toddler probably is still in toilet training and mother have no patience due to child having terrible 2 tantrums? spray at the toddler for that? no you just ignore the child. Child will eventually quit as it always worked in my case with my son. you cant punish the child by using the car pressure washer? it is plainly wrong! The mother is not understanding nor have a patience at all! jeez!

It is still child abuse, period!
 
Freaky Cat said:
that lady need to learn to ignore her kids like i did.. i ignored TJ when he had his terrible two tantrums. he realized i was not paying attention one day and he quit. LOL.. it worked! :)
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Yes, that´s right. I did to my both boys the same thing.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I wondering to myself why it took 11 days to check out on her after happened instead of straight way? :confused:
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Gotta remember they were searching for the mother so it took days till the mother turned herself in so finally someone get to check the child by then it was too late the rashes or sunburn maybe bruises/tears probably had cleared up by then?
 
Unlike friend I know whose kids does that all the times and start whining, then crying. If the mother don't pay attention or give them what they want AND that's when they throw those tantrums. Those children sometimes hit the mother, scratch or even BITE the mother. I told her you need to SPANK THAT LITTLE BEHIND. They shouldn't be treating you like that for ignoring their little tantrums. If they HOLLER THEN LET THEM BE ON THE FLOOR AND HOLLER.
 
SweetOrchid said:
Unlike friend I know whose kids does that all the times and start whining, then crying. If the mother don't pay attention or give them what they want AND that's when they throw those tantrums. Those children sometimes hit the mother, scratch or even BITE the mother. I told her you need to SPANK THAT LITTLE BEHIND. They shouldn't be treating you like that for ignoring their little tantrums. If they HOLLER THEN LET THEM BE ON THE FLOOR AND HOLLER.
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If my kids did that to me by scratching, biting or hit me. I would have taken their privileges away by not allowing them to watch tv and put them in bedroom for timeouts. no stars for that day as they are bad. They will have to earn their stars to get treat or toys. One way or another they will learn. I dont spank my son as he have SPD. (Sensory Processing Disorder) so i cant. thats why i do another way of punishing him if hes in trouble.

When my son was young- he was austitic eventually he outgrew of austim but he still have SPD. SPD is part of autism syndrome. he threw fits and YELL even at walmart. he was lost in his world. I just ignored him and hurried do my shopping then checked out and put him in car seat and went home act like nothing happened. he eventually quiet down. he is a good kid despite him having problems. He turned out good as he is 8 now. :)
 
Freaky Cat said:
If my kids did that to me by scratching, biting or hit me. I would have taken their privileges away by not allowing them to watch tv and put them in bedroom for timeouts. no stars for that day as they are bad. They will have to earn their stars to get treat or toys. One way or another they will learn. I dont spank my son as he have SPD. (Sensory Processing Disorder) so i cant. thats why i do another way of punishing him if hes in trouble.

When my son was young- he was austitic eventually he outgrew of austim but he still have SPD. SPD is part of autism syndrome. he threw fits and YELL even at walmart. he was lost in his world. I just ignored him and hurried do my shopping then checked out and put him in car seat and went home act like nothing happened. he eventually quiet down. he is a good kid despite him having problems. He turned out good as he is 8 now. :)
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I understand your part. Both those parents does not set any privileges and they are little from age 4 to 1 years old. The 4 years old should know better, but most of the times when she does something and knows she is going to be punished, she would start crying like a baby. When I observe to see how she would punish her. She would say "Did I spank you?" or Why are you crying?". That would go on nonstop crying until she get what she wants. I told her that she should ignore that.

A few minutes after the child stop crying then she would go to her mommy for a hug. SHEESH! I wouldn't reward her a hug for that kind of behavior that she did earlier with that tantrum and crying. THAT'S A BIG NO NO!:nono: I would hug her when she apologize and say "Mommy, Sorry for being bad". OHH BOY THANKS for reminding me of something that I should watch SUPERNANNY with her and her boyfriend. I'm sure they'll learn something.:hmm:
 
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