mmmmhhh sex phone bill...

[MsGiglz]

I am very much agreed with Crazymomma but there's more I want to say...

mmmhhh Look the example of GalaxyAngel´s thread over children and website...
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=22294

It´s now my turn... :|

I was like as my hubby had me to read mobile phone where Alan, my young son´s friend Ken´s mother text him when I came home from work today. I´m speechless after read her text saying that she received €160 (around $200) sex phone bill and found out that it´s Ken and Alan played around with phone call in her house, not her husband. I can understand Ken´s mother´s anger feeling... I´m speechless...

I would be pissed and storm in the house, grab the kid and made him/her sit down in the kitchen... made her/him sit for hours till i settle down.. sent other kids to different rooms.. face to face.. ask .. whats up!.. listen her/his story of what happen.. then.. if admit or confess that he/she did.. if not.. I will make her/him sit there till confess.. then up to my mood.. will say WHY!!!!! or.. give no remorse.. tell her/him the grounded list will be.. then sent her/him to the room..

I asked Alan what happenedl... Alan told me that he know from Ken at school today and said it´s Ken´s idea to play with 0190 for the fun... Alan has no idea what it is and laugh with Ken because a lady voice is funny and cheer... joke... Ken and Alan have no idea what 0190 is. (true, because we block 0190 at 15 years ago - how could Alan know about 0190 then?). I said ok, and then explain him to not use 0190 or 0137 at other´s house ever again in the future because it´s very expensive phone call. Alan is upset because he didnt know about this... I told him to not worry and told him it´s my fault for not warn him about 0190 in first place. (Alan know only 0137, not 0190).

It's not your fault!!! Kids can get informations or word by mouth or emails about those numbers or sex phone. No matter what your kids or other kids didnt tell you. They do hide or not tell.. Kids are very curious or want to get in trouble and blame on others.. But it's your responisble to explain what the sex phone and numbers NOT to touch... and warned them if they get into that, they will get trouble.... You are making easy on your son (and children) then they will repeat.. cuz they didnt learn hard way..
Of course it´s my responsible, not his if I receive other problem from Ken´s mother again because I never told Alan about 0190 in first place. I has to face the problem with her... :|

I got other call from Ken´s mother saying that it´s both Alan and Ken´s responsible.. I was like and don´t want to fight with her over our children... She grounded Ken for 3 months for not go out and play soccerl twice a week, no TV, computer, games, etc.... *sigh* I really don´t know what should I say about her ground on Kev because I know it´s not Ken´s fault but her because of her responsible to be supersivon in her house.. She want me do the same with Alan but I would not do that because it´s her responsble, not Alan.

Yes, It's Ken and Alan's responsible for that.. they both should pay 1/2 on the bill.. I applaud Ken's mother's ground rules on Ken.. whoowho!! Way to go Ken's mother!!!... I got to love her!.. that will teach her children lesson.. You should do the same otherwise your children will repeat and can lead to serious problem in future..
It's not Ken's mother fault... just because supervision.. the boys must be hiding in their room or closet.. his mother cant wear high tech hearing aids or high tech glasses to watch the kids like hawk!...
Its YOUR responsible because your son involve with Ken.. DO something! before Ken's mother will sue your sorry ass..

I explained her in mobile phone that I can understand how angry she feel and told her what Alan had told me about and then told her how could Alan know about 0190 because we blocked 0190 at 15 years ago then? I´m sad and very sorry.

I am sure he knows like I said above.. Kids can get anything.. Kids wont tell truth to parents.

My hubby & I agree each other that it´s not our responsible to pay half of her sex phone bill if she demand me to because she harm her responsible as supersivor in her house. We don´t understand what and how she is around where Alan and Kev play with sex phone call? Where is she? It look like she is not in the house or what?

I disagreed with you and your husband.. You both are getting away easy & unfair..and Alan will losing and embarassing by other kids because of that.. Go and agreed with Ken's mother to pay 1/2 cuz its fair.. Like I said above.. "boys must be hiding in their room or closet.. his mother cant wear high tech hearing aids or high tech glasses to watch the kids like hawk!... " If you are in laundry room, one of your kids sneak in kitchen and take food without asking.. or sneak in other room and call to friends or take money without your looking or around.. same concept.. the supervision means in her care of kids around her in the house or outside.. not walking around behind kids' back like hawk for 24/7 ... and even run to store since the kids are old enough to stay home alone for only 1-2 hrs...

I still can´t beleive this... *sigh* I pray that I won´t get the anger from her... I know how pain feel she has... mmhhh

Believe it.. you have to face her anger and accept it because your son involve.. you should show some anger and scold and ground your son!.. AND Just pray that Ken's mother dont sue you if you do something with that.. will lose friendships and can cause Alan and Ken's lives by other kids to making fun..

Would you still pay half of her bill if you were in my shoes?

OF COURSE I WILL pay the 1/2 of bill or whole whoever did or use the most.. the punishment will be harsh!! because sex phone, we all talked about it .. stay away from it.. that's goes the same with www.. looking at porns or order something.. they still doing at it.. thats part of kids' lives.. curious... trouble.. but we teach them by displinces .. show that they learning by mistakes and know the rules.. they broke the rules.. have to learn the mistakes and displinces..
For example.. if your kid is at his friend's house.. parents are inside the house.. the boys were playing outside.. they found a stick.. they start to hitting on something.. then their curiousity went too far.. they hit the window.. who is going to pay the window? ... same thing with sex phone bill.. pay 1/2 ...

one more thing.. you will losing ken's friends' parents because of this.. why? cuz they looked at you for not helping or teach your son...
if you keep your own way.. then Good luck..
if you go and help with Ken's mother.. that's make things easier and happy..

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Their parent should have responible...

So am I part of responbile for action which my children are behind my back.. actually I'm blind totally... Grinning my children are advantage who this phone.. cover up their breath.. Btw I still grounded them.. and learn their mistake action includes me too.. We are pay for it..

espically Liebling's son doesn't know what this number coming from but learned something which so funny voice by sex phone.. sort of part of this yes but did't dial. Ken did it.. Ken's mother should have superivison or heard the phone coming from distance another room?? How Ken's mother didn't pay attention enough well ???

 

[MsGiglz]

Sorry to confuse you with my post.. It´s Ken´s mother´s phone in her house, the children played - not cell phone...

Danny, my 12 years old son have his own cell phone with limit card since 2 years now. He paid with his own pocket money (where he get month allowance from us) to exchange limit card. Example he paid $25 for limit card to add in cell phone until limit card runs out then get new one... It´s his own money, not ours...

I would take away kids' cell phone if they are in trouble.. and I wouldnt let my kids have their own cell phone till they are 15 years old..

 

[Cheri]

I would be pissed and storm in the house, grab the kid and made him/her sit down in the kitchen... made her/him sit for hours till i settle down.. sent other kids to different rooms.. face to face.. ask .. whats up!.. listen her/his story of what happen.. then.. if admit or confess that he/she did.. if not.. I will make her/him sit there till confess.. then up to my mood.. will say WHY!!!!! or.. give no remorse.. tell her/him the grounded list will be.. then sent her/him to the room..

Being pissed does not help solve the problem, You have to remain calm and listen to your child what he or she has to say, There are always two sides to every story. Don't forget that hun.

Yes, It's Ken and Alan's responsible for that.. they both should pay 1/2 on the bill.. I applaud Ken's mother's ground rules on Ken.. whoowho!! Way to go Ken's mother!!!... I got to love her!.. that will teach her children lesson.. You should do the same otherwise your children will repeat and can lead to serious problem in future..
It's not Ken's mother fault... just because supervision.. the boys must be hiding in their room or closet.. his mother cant wear high tech hearing aids or high tech glasses to watch the kids like hawk!...
Its YOUR responsible because your son involve with Ken.. DO something! before Ken's mother will sue your sorry ass..

I'm sorry I disagree totally with you, Yes it is Kevin's mother's fault. It's the parent responsibility rather you like it or not. Our children's actions is our responsibility. Why do you think we are parents for?

I disagreed with you and your husband.. You both are getting away easy & unfair..and Alan will losing and embarassing by other kids because of that..

Well, I think she and her husband are doing the right thing, It did not happen in her own home, It happened somewhere else a friend's house so whatever takes place somewhere else, They are responsible to watch the children, That's a hard lesson for parents. But, What choice do we got? None.

OF COURSE I WILL pay the 1/2 of bill or whole whoever did or use the most.. the punishment will be harsh!!

That's up to you, but don't you wondering why nobody was watching your kid? While your kid was over someone else's house? I would be wondering why was my son being on the phone and making calls over there when nobody is watching him? I would be angry. I wouldn't want my children over someone's else house if nobody is gotta pay attention. Sorry, as a mother that's how I feel.

 

[CrazyMomma]

I guess from what I was reading her phone incident over again and trying to figure out.... I know my aunt said what the law said... If Liebling or Alan wanted to get over with it, and pay 1/2 to Kevin and his mother, and problem will be solved and get over with it and warn the boys NOT to do it again.

If Alan want to save his friendship, Alan (with help from parents) should pay half and get over with it. Or Kevin and his mother would do something bad to Alan or Liebling.

If they don't think it was Alan's fault. Kevin's mother would cut off on everything which mean no game, no video, no seeing or anything and Alan won't be able to see Kev. Kev's mother would have to force Kev to break up the friendship. How does Alan feel that?

If not agree, there is no supervisors in there, I don't know, since for that age, they likes to take the phone and hide in the closet, or in the basement or under the bed, they can be sneaky behind their supervisor like Doofmama said... It mean trouble.

 

[jazzy]

I don't think parents should pay for it. Sex phone should not be for anyone under 18, it is against law here in USA for them to accept children under 18 without parent constest then they should not force parents to pay for it.

It did happened to us once, we refused to pay for it because they should never accept a call from minorty.

 

[Cheri]

Yep it is the law, the law says we the parents are responsible for any actions our children did, Just the same with schools, If you child skip school the parent would be responsible. Law in Ohio saying that if a child did not show up for school for more than days, I as a mother will be arrested and go to jail. Even if it's not my fault that my child skip school and went some where else. It's still my responsibility.


Liebling does not require to pay half of the bill if it did not happen in her own home, But if she wants to it's up to her. If friendship gotta be the issue then I guess Kevin's parents are not showing their responsible in their action as neglecting the children. That's teaching their children the wrong way. Sorry. It's easy for parent to finger pointing children but you have to remember it's our duty to raise our children the right way, and if anything happens like accidents our children done, We have to take full responsible as a parent. It's a tough job for parents but, we brought children in the world, we need to act like responsible parents and do the right thing. I think Liebling feels that she is not responsible because, it did not happen in her own home and she was not there in another person's home when it happened.

 

[MsGiglz]

I went through with my kids.. they got in trouble at their friends, they know better what they arent suppose to do.. shouldn't done at the first place.. even doesnt matter if other friends beg or nag to get them involved.. they should get up and walk away.. but they dont want lose friendships.. even though.. parent(s).. are home or arent home.. they are old enough to know better not suppose to touch those stuff..

Cheri.. I just want to clarfiy this.. the word... "PISSED" I mean MAD.. kids need to know that you are totally upset and mad.. about this.. its UNCALLED for.. and UNACCEPTABLE to have our kids get involved with that situtations..

well seems that most of you disagreed with me.. therefore.. I feel bad for Ken's mother..

my gloves are off for now.. since its not my problem about this incident.. it's Leblingg's...

 

[Cheri]

I went through with my kids.. they got in trouble at their friends, they know better what they arent suppose to do.. shouldn't done at the first place.. even doesnt matter if other friends beg or nag to get them involved.. they should get up and walk away.. but they dont want lose friendships.. even though.. parent(s).. are home or arent home.. they are old enough to know better not suppose to touch those stuff..

Yeah, You're right, but Kevin was the one who influence Alan, So really Kevin is more the blame than Alan was. I always tell my children if someone tells you to do something that you don't feel is right don't do it. But I'm sure my children wouldn't know what's 1900 calls are for until it happen. I'll be more upset at the person who influence my children.

Cheri.. I just want to clarfiy this.. the word... "PISSED" I mean MAD.. kids need to know that you are totally upset and mad.. about this.. its UNCALLED for.. and UNACCEPTABLE to have our kids get involved with that situtations..

Yes, Sure I will be upset, but I try not to show it because I would want them to tell me the truth, If I show that I was mad, They would give me full of lies of what really happened. So, that's how I learn to stay clam and relax, and find out what really happened, and I also remind my children no matter how bad it is, tell me the truth anyway I promise I won't raise my voice, or get mad. Most likely they will tell you the truth.

well seems that most of you disagreed with me.. therefore.. I feel bad for Ken's mother..

Even if I disagree with you, I still love ya. You're still very dear to me no matter what hun.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I appreciate very much for your share posts to agree and disagree with me here

It´s interesting to read all of your posts here.

I do not need to take Cheri´s post as quote because I am agree everything what she says...

Now I´m going to answer your posts... Remember I still love you all when I´m disagree with you or not...


I still haven´t hear from her since I call her at 3 hours ago. I guess to give her time to calm down and have good thought...

 

[CrazyMomma]

I know you don't like me...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Oh the PHONE, not the cell phone.. :Oops:

Okay, no problem

Who was on the phone? If Ken and Alan playing on the phone, and dialing the special sex phone, it's the boys' responsible and the boys deserve a discplines from their parents. They should know not to dial those special number.

But how Ken know about 0190 then? It look like parents did not teach Ken to not touch 0190 in first place when they know they own 0190 in their phone line without use special children protection numbers?

Ken's mother have right to ground his son, no sports, no games, and nothing, and I know Ken would hate that, but that is the way he should learn.

I can´t say anything against her form of discipline but I still disagree with her for that because it´s her responsible to explain what he should not touch... How do Ken know about 0190 then?

You should be doing the same thing with Alan like Ken't mother do to her son.

No, I would not do that but give him one chance because I know I never told him about 0190 in first place. If he do that again next time then he will deserve hard ground from me to remove his month allowance because he know in first place that he should not touch those number. I warned him today about remove his month allowance today if he do that again.

Since Alan was listen and playing with the number at his house, it's his responsbile and he should pay half of the cost for what it happen. If you don't want to fight with her, just pay her half of the money and get over with it, and time to sit down with Alan and Ken about the sex phones and everything. If not, you bet, she will take that phone bill and take to the court and stir up the war with her.

It´s not Alan´s responsible, but Ken´s mother. How do Ken know about 0190 then? I will talk Ken´s mother when she calm down..

The friendship that Ken and Alan will break up.

Yes, I know! I already told Alan to not make fun of Ken over his 3 months ground today... They goes same class room and sit together on the desk... They are good friends since kindergarten....

And for cell phone, that is same thing for that. If the cell phone pay so much, you know, time to take the cell phone away and pay the big bill.

Yes, I would do that if my children ignore my first warning since I already give them one chance. I will remove their monthly allowance to pay off the bill. I already warn Alan about this as Danny as well.

I wouldn't let my kids have the cell phone until they are 18 years old, and I know I am not paying the cell phone.

Alan haven´t own cell phone with limit card yet but Danny. There´re special children protection including limit card... There´re no 0190 in limit card until they are 18 years old accord German law. The store know which limit card the children or adult use. A lot of Germans use limit card for phone cell. 0137 is children commerical, TV etc... It´s up to them if they want use 0137 but Danny use only twice, then no more...... He use once from commerical TV to use his cell phone but his limit card run real fast which its normal to use between 5 to 6 weeks not 2 weeks. Danny is upset and ask me for replace limit card for him... I him because he know in first place that 0137 is expensive phone call... (I already post in GalaxyAngel´s thread about this)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I know you don't like me...

awwww ohh nooooo I still love you no matter what we disagree each other... we disagree in other threads but I still like you... no matter what... it´s important is you and I did not insult and bash each other...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am sure your aunt would tell you that Ken's mother is responsiblity. Ken should have asked his mother for permission to use a phone. Isn't that very simple?

Very true.

Just give her some friendship gifts like fruit basket for Ken's mother and an ethic book for Ken

that´s good suggestion... I would do that...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

:Oops: Sorry... I guess I was wrong. :Oops:

I got IM from my aunt... Said

Aunt*******: It's parent's responsible to watch the kids, it's parent's responsible to warn the boys about the number. They need to sit down together and make an agreement as to who is doing what wrong. Each parents will have to pay 1/2 for the phone bill if BOTH boys didn't know about the special numbers to dial. They need to agree on how to stop it from happening again. Then they can figure who will pay for what happened.

But how do Ken know about 0190 then? Alan only know 0137, not 0190... He was shock and upset today because he only know 0137, not 0190. I know it´s my fault for not tell him about 0190 in first place.

Yes it´s parent´s responsible, not children.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Here's another one...

Aunt*******: If the parent or parents are not in the same roof as the boys in, she is responsbile to pay for the bills, not the visitor's. It mean, if Ken is home alone with no supervisor, and Alan is in his house and dialing the number, that is Ken's parent's fault and she is paying the price. Alan nor the parents are not responsbile.

That´s exactly what my hubby and I agreed to not accept our responsible for that action because we didnt know how and where ken´s parent are when they played sex phone in living room... (I know they have phone in living room).

I asked Alan out of curious... What a lady say etc... Alan said that a lady is cute and alway giggle with Ken and Alan... funny and joke talk... *phew*... It look like a lady know it´s children...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's what I said too, It is the parent's responsible to watch their own children and it's their (parents) responsible for any action their children did, Supposedly if a child break someone's window, the parents have to pay for it even if it's an accident.

Yes it remind me of Alan, Ken and their mates played soocer... The ball hit to damage window of cow house (farm house) at 2 years ago - Thank god, it´s very cheap window of cows house. 4 parents and we together paid one window... it cost $12 each and then I removed $12 from Alan´s month allowance because he know that he should not play ball near houses but field in first place. It was happened once... no more ever since.... They play soocer at field... *knock on the wood*

 

[Cookie Monster]

Chris and I discussed this and we agreed that Kev's mother has to pay for the bill herself. Kev's mother has no right to tell Liebling how to discipline Alan by how to punish him the same way Kev is because Liebling & her husband are the parents of Alan, not Kev's mother.

We both also agreed that if we have children & they grow up, they go to their friends' place. We will make sure the friends' parents are home and supervise our kids and their kids to make sure everything is ok. The same thing as us when our children and their friends come over.

For example, if our child brings a friend over and his friend's parents know their child is here. We have to make sure they are safe and we watch them like our child. If they play in the basement, we are upstairs. It is best that one of us is downstairs to keep an eye on them in case they wrestle or play rough. What if they knock over a lamp and break something? Who is responsible to pay for that if we don't watch them? Of course, we have to pay for broken things because we didn't watch our children and their friends! We can't phone our children's friends and be cross with parents & demand they pay half for new lamp and tell them how to discipline their children. That's outrageous because it's our fault as we didn't watch the kids, it's called poor parental supervision!!

Some children need to be taught to say "No" to temptation and learn how to appreciate rules and learn how to respect parents and older people.

We think Liebling should hold firm to her ground and not pay at all because she didn't do anything wrong. What is really outrageous about Kev's mother is that she is overstepping her personal boundaries with Liebling by telling Liebling how to "discipline" her own son. To be honest with you, if someone ever told me how to do that with my child, I'd tell that person off because that's offensive to any parent.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am very much agreed with Crazymomma but there's more I want to say...

Sorry I has to disagree with you and Crazymomma but I still love you both... I appreciate your answer very much...

I would be pissed and storm in the house, grab the kid and made him/her sit down in the kitchen... made her/him sit for hours till i settle down.. sent other kids to different rooms.. face to face.. ask .. whats up!.. listen her/his story of what happen.. then.. if admit or confess that he/she did.. if not.. I will make her/him sit there till confess.. then up to my mood.. will say WHY!!!!! or.. give no remorse.. tell her/him the grounded list will be.. then sent her/him to the room..

I would not do that because it would fear children more... It would force children to tell lie to me... I accept both sides to listen... I rather to be calm and listen my children´s side first... then listen mother...before I do something but Alan already said straight way to my hubby when he came home from school. Few hours later Ken mother called my hubby because she know my hubby is house man until 4.30 pm then go evening work from 5 pm. My hubby showed me mother´s text and then told me that Alan already told him before mother called him... okay... I rather to listen Alan´s side... I greeted my children after came home from work and then asked Alan what´s happened with Ken´s mother ... Alan told me the same thing what he already told my hubby earlier.

I know it´s awful shock but I has to control my feeling first until I calm down then have my children to sit and talk with me. It shock me about "sex phone"... oh dear...

It's not your fault!!!

I feel it´s my fault because I didnt warn 0190 in first place... I am sure Alan would tell Ken to not do that because of expensive phone call. I already warned my children about 0137 at long time ago...

Kids can get informations or word by mouth or emails about those numbers or sex phone. No matter what your kids or other kids didnt tell you. They do hide or not tell.

My children are very open and tell me everything including sex etc. they have no fear to trust us anything. I can tell that Alan didnt know what 0190 is... he is terrible upset because he thought he is not allow to use only 0137.

. Kids are very curious

Yes, I´m agree - it´s normal for the children experiement their curious...

or want to get in trouble and blame on others

Yes, the children could get in trouble and blame others sometimes... I´m agree.

.. But it's your responisble to explain what the sex phone and numbers NOT to touch... and warned them if they get into that, they will get trouble....

Yes, it´s correct... I already accept my responsible for not tell Alan about 0190 in first place... I never thought that Ken and Alan played sex phone in Ken´s house since we block 0190 in our phone at 15 years ago.

You are making easy on your son (and children) then they will repeat.. cuz they didnt learn hard way..

No, I give Alan chance and warn him to remove his month allowance if he do that again in next time today. He knows it because I removed $12 from his month allowance to pay damage window where he played soocer with his mates at 2 years ago.

Yes, It's Ken and Alan's responsible for that

No, it´s our responsible, not children.

they both should pay 1/2 on the bill.. I applaud Ken's mother's ground rules on Ken.. whoowho!! Way to go Ken's mother!!!... I got to love her!.. that will teach her children lesson..

Disagree to teach children the lesson because they didn´t know they made mistakes - it´s parents who are suppose to teach them to do that or dont do that...

You should do the same otherwise your children will repeat and can lead to serious problem in future..

No Alan already made his mistake once to damage cow house´s window... he didnt repeat to do that again since I removed his month allowance... My children haven´t touch 0137 on my phone because I told them not do that. Now he know about 0190... It´s not his fault but mine. He was terrible upset... because ken´s mother ground him for 3 months. I told Alan to be nice to Ken when he see him at school.

It's not Ken's mother fault... just because supervision

I´m afraid yes... It´s ken´s mother or father fault because they neglect their supervison.

.. the boys must be hiding in their room or closet..

How? their phone is in living room... It´s impossible for the children took phone from living room to their room because of phone line... outlet... ??? cell phone is different story...

his mother cant wear high tech hearing aids or high tech glasses to watch the kids like hawk!...

I know it´s impossible for the parents to watch their children for 24 hours but... they must have around when they played sex phone in living room...

Its YOUR responsible because your son involve with Ken.. DO something! before Ken's mother will sue your sorry ass..

No, Ken´s parents can´t do anything to sue us because she will be in trouble with children protection law to neglect their supersivor on Ken over that "sex phone" and also let Ken´s friends come over their house to play sex phone.

I am sure he knows like I said above.. Kids can get anything.. Kids wont tell truth to parents.

Yes, I know the children are not prefect as angel but it´s good that Alan already told my hubby straight way as he came home from school. Thats important because I told them to not be fear to come to us if they have problem or made mistake or whatever. I gave Alan a chance and warn him not do that again next time.

I disagreed with you and your husband.. You both are getting away easy & unfair..and Alan will losing and embarassing by other kids because of that..

Disagree... I already told Alan to be nice to Ken when he see him at school and not make Ken feel bad... as long as they still are together at school.

Go and agreed with Ken's mother to pay 1/2 cuz its fair

No, I would not do that because it´s not our responsible but Ken´s parents. How do I know where they are around while the children played sex phone since I know they have 2 bedroom flat. Living-room next kitchen/dinning and hallway 2 bedroom and bathroom... small flat... How? Where are they? Why didn´t they replied my call since over 3 hours now? I would not make approach against them but give them time to calm down then come to us for a talk..

Believe it.. you have to face her anger and accept it because your son involve..

Yes, I has to face and accept her anger. I can understand her pain.

you should show some anger and scold and ground your son!..

No I would not do that but remain calm with him. Why should I threw my anger on my children for? No because I know it´s my fault for not tell him about 0190 in first place. It´s my responsible, I has to face it, not Alan.

AND Just pray that Ken's mother dont sue you if you do something with that

I´m not afraid if Ken´s parents want to sue us because we know the court will tell them it´s their own responsible to neglect their supersivon how to expose the children with sex phone... They will be in trouble with children protection law over that.

Like what Crazymomma´s Aunt say is correct.

.. will lose friendships and can cause Alan and Ken's lives by other kids to making fun..

I already made sure that Alan still contact with Ken no matter what... I also made sure that Alan don´t make fun of Ken front of mates... because they know that bully is not acceptance.

OF COURSE I WILL pay the 1/2 of bill or whole whoever did or use the most.. the punishment will be harsh!!

No, I would not do that.

because sex phone, we all talked about it

Ken´s parents should do something to add children protection to use 0190 if they want to keep 0190 - why can´t they?

.. stay away from it.. that's goes the same with www.. looking at porns or order something.. they still doing at it.. thats part of kids' lives.. curious... trouble

We have parental control...
We have password to open internet to protect children... My children can´t open internet without enter password because they didnt know password number.
What we doing is protection and safety.

.. but we teach them by displinces .. show that they learning by mistakes and know the rules.. they broke the rules.. have to learn the mistakes and displinces..

Agree

Cont....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Contt...2

For example.. if your kid is at his friend's house.. parents are inside the house.. the boys were playing outside.. they found a stick.. they start to hitting on something.. then their curiousity went too far.. they hit the window.. who is going to pay the window? ... same thing with sex phone bill.. pay 1/2 ...[/B]

I already explained about window in previous post. The children played outside without parent´s supersivorn... This is a logical because we all are not there to watch children play outside... We prepared to pay $12 each but with sex phone is different story because the parents are around IN the house... It´s their resonsible as supersvior...

one more thing.. you will losing ken's friends' parents because of this

I has to accept the fact if Ken´s parents don´t want to know us because we know we doing thing right. It´s their choice for not want to know us... My children come first before my friendship with them. Why should I worry about my friendship with them? No, Alan come first.

.. why? cuz they looked at you for not helping or teach your son...

I already told Ken´s mother in mobile phone at over 3 hours ago. I´m waiting for her reply... Wait and see... I can´t say anything further yet. I will update here after get the call from her.

if you keep your own way.. then Good luck..
if you go and help with Ken's mother.. that's make things easier and happy.. [/B]

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I would try and help Ken´s mother what I can but it´s still her responsible... I would not pay half of sex phone bill.