Mendoza Legislation AB2072 Nudges California Back to Eugenics

Shel is making a point why it is not whining and complaining. She was not comparing you to KKK.
 
shel90 said:
Huh? who said anything about being a member? Of course I know that you arent a member.
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I believe that you were comparing me saying that those who are against the bill are "complaining" is akin to the KKK members saying that the Civil Rights Movement was just black people complaining.

Am I misunderstanding?
 
faire_jour said:
I believe that you were comparing me saying that those who are against the bill are "complaining" is akin to the KKK members saying that the Civil Rights Movement was just black people complaining.

Am I misunderstanding?
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making an analogy...not saying that you are a member of the KKK.

I guess I better move on so I dont know what you are reading into my posts.

ok back on topic...

AD is just one place where Deaf people are voicing their disagreement with the law. I am sure there are many other places outside of AD where Deaf poeple are getting together to do something about this.
 
My point is that rather than working on fixing the bill they are throwing around words like "eugentics" and "Nazi Germany". Why? Why aren't they trying to work with lawmakers to fix the bill instead of using this kind of rhetoric?
 
because it has happened to deaf people, it is really nerve wrecking when they leave culturally deaf out of the picture.
 
faire_jour said:
My point is that rather than working on fixing the bill they are throwing around words like "eugentics" and "Nazi Germany". Why? Why aren't they trying to work with lawmakers to fix the bill instead of using this kind of rhetoric?
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Why did they leave us out in the first place? It creates a distrust.
 
deafskeptic said:
Yep so we're wary about bills like this. I don't think they were consulted in the past either.
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This is what is SOOOOOOO frustrating to me....bills like WHAT? Bills that require professionals to give out unbiased information to parents of deaf children??????????? What is the problem with that?
 
faire_jour said:
This is what is SOOOOOOO frustrating to me....bills like WHAT? Bills that require professionals to give out unbiased information to parents of deaf children??????????? What is the problem with that?
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Unbiased...are u completely sure that the audiologists will give out unbiased info? Where are the Deaf stakeholders as a part of the consulting team?
 
1970 and 2010,

doctor and audiologist provides the same information is go to get HA or CI and focus on speech and withholding the information about ASL.
 
not to mention the infamous 1880 milan but that's has nothing with US bills
 
shel90 said:
Why did they leave us out in the first place? It creates a distrust.
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People who have a vested interest in deaf children saw that parents were not getting unbiased information. They thought that was wrong. They wrote a bill that requires that they be informed of ALL options.

Where is the evil? The eugenics? The forced sterilization? The mass murder of an entire ethnic group?

Honestly, if the Deaf community thought that there was a problem, why weren't they the first ones out there trying to get the law changed? In my state a group of Deaf parents started a charter school because they didn't believe that the state school for the Deaf was providing an appropriate placement for their kids. Then they worked to have state law changed so that a student could maintain a "special school" placement even after they no longer have a delay, and no longer qualify for an IEP (so that they can stay at that deaf school). They worked with parents to set up new articles and protests to get a new buildings for the school. They aren't waiting to be invited or informed!!
 
shel90 said:
Unbiased...are u completely sure that the audiologists will give out unbiased info? Where are the Deaf stakeholders as a part of the consulting team?
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That is why the law is being passed and the materials needs to be specified, so they won't give out biased information. That's the whole point!
 
NAD have helped us when there was a problem and many other organizations.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but how is this bill going to change in a negative way anything that is not already occurring today?
 
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