Mass shooting in San Bernardino, CA

DeafDucky said:
I think that is what DHB's point is.

If the US is taking forever in wiping out gangs, they are not going to be able to wipe out ISIS in a single weekend.

The problem is... there will ALWAYS be one sort of gang or another. It's not the end of ISIS type "gangs".
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Exactly, we took out Taliban, now its ISIS, once we take out ISIS, there will be another name of same bunch of people in that gang afterwards. They are very fluidity

Gangs have their own ideology, ISIS has their own Ideology, and don't own a country at all, how can we take them out? As to speak, its harder to take out a gang that don't have any tangible properties.
 
Foxrac said:
The crime rate is declining in US that hasn't seen since 1950s or 1960s level.

Also, street gangs are declining due to RICO and it take more time to take them off the street like LA did.
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-cult...eles-southern-california-epidemic-crime-95498
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Very irrelevant, any gang can have illegal activities without breaking obvious crimes. Gangs knows one thing, if crime occurs there will be investigation, they are very careful not getting bust, the less crime, the less chance they get busted.

There are plenty of crimes committed without anyone even notice it, how can we be certain of that number of crimes?

There are plenty of crimes that never been reported, how do you know for sure that crimes actually decreased?

So back to the point, if Uncle Sam can't contain gangster, drug cartels, and other organized crimes, and so on, how can Uncle Sam contain ISIS? Another lame joke came out of Mr. President's own mouth.
 
diehardbiker said:
Very irrelevant, any gang can have illegal activities without breaking obvious crimes. Gangs knows one thing, if crime occurs there will be investigation, they are very careful not getting bust, the less crime, the less chance they get busted.

There are plenty of crimes committed without anyone even notice it, how can we be certain of that number of crimes?

There are plenty of crimes that never been reported, how do you know for sure that crimes actually decreased?

So back to the point, if Uncle Sam can't contain gangster, drug cartels, and other organized crimes, and so on, how can Uncle Sam contain ISIS? Another lame joke came out of Mr. President's own mouth.
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I don't understand about what are you saying about irrelevant.

I pointed that gang problem could be resolved with RICO like LA did and RICO drove Italian mobs out of business - it was biggest business in the past, but they are still around in small groups. KKK is technically gang but they aren't common like before anymore. LA solved the gang problem, but there are small gang members around nowadays. If you talk about Chicago, that's different story and they still have a lot of problem.

ISIS and Al Qaeda? They are terrorist organization and military intervention is solution to whipping many of them with decades of battle. We are fighting Al Qaeda for 14 years and counting.

Street gangs and terrorist organization aren't same group - let think about police vs. military.
 
Foxrac said:
I don't understand about what are you saying about irrelevant.

I pointed that gang problem could be resolved with RICO like LA did and RICO drove Italian mobs out of business - it was biggest business in the past, but they are still around in small groups. KKK is technically gang but they aren't common like before anymore. LA solved the gang problem, but there are small gang members around nowadays. If you talk about Chicago, that's different story and they still have a lot of problem.

ISIS and Al Qaeda? They are terrorist organization and military intervention is solution to whipping many of them with decades of battle. We are fighting Al Qaeda for 14 years and counting.

Street gangs and terrorist organization aren't same group - let think about police vs. military.
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Better explanation,

These gangster that we called Terrorist is just another gangster that believes in terrorize society to resolve their own conflicts in their own ideologies that is all.

So back to the point, United States STILL have problems with gangs ALL over the United States, not just Los Angeles. You see, these gangster were formed based on ideology and they fight with blood and money, and this has not changed since the dawn of gang epidemic. Gangsters that terrorizes society is all over the world, much bigger than America gangster, and if United States can't contain smaller numbers of gangster for too long, they can't simply wipe out these gangsters around the globe.
 
diehardbiker said:
Better explanation,

These gangster that we called Terrorist is just another gangster that believes in terrorize society to resolve their own conflicts in their own ideologies that is all.

So back to the point, United States STILL have problems with gangs ALL over the United States, not just Los Angeles. You see, these gangster were formed based on ideology and they fight with blood and money, and this has not changed since the dawn of gang epidemic. Gangsters that terrorizes society is all over the world, much bigger than America gangster, and if United States can't contain smaller numbers of gangster for too long, they can't simply wipe out these gangsters around the globe.
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The street gangs are competing with territories - they go after rival gangs to battle. The drugs are big business for street gangs to make money too. If you aren't into drug so street gangs don't see you as their target.

In here, we don't have street gang problem, but there are some young thugs are wannabe gang in ghetto and there is no territories for gangs to settle. Of course, crime rate is bad because criminals get fight over drugs.

There are biker gangs - some are criminal but most of them aren't.

I'm saying that LA does much better than in 80s and 90s that where they used to filled with different street gangs, especially in ghetto and barrio.
 
:s : scratches head: street gangs and terrorist groups are two totally different birds....
 
diehardbiker said:
Here is question that I have pondering, if United States CAN wipe out ISIS, mind you, ISIS is just another gang in the Middle East, if US can wipe out ISIS, how come they can't wipe out bunch of gangs in the United States? We DO have problems with gangs everywhere in the USA since '70s, if USA can't wipe these gangs out, then they can't simply wipe out ISIS either.
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because we have laws and Constitution in this country and that applies to gangs too. that doesn't apply to ISIS since they're terrorists.

you gotta read between the lines and thru rhetorics. obviously we cannot wipe out ISIS or anything but we can only try to reduce them to the point of irrelevance.

diehardbiker said:
if ISIS is a country, then sure could wipe them out like we did with Hitler (Or did Hitler get away?) Its really stupid to compare ISIS with Libya because Libya is a country with a leader where anyone can take the leader down easily.
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wipe out? more like defeat.

we can defeat ISIS by taking out the leader - just like we defeated Taliban by killing Osama bin Laden. Taliban is not completely wiped out but they're irrelevant now. it's pretty dang silly and stupid to compare ISIS with gang.... major comical.

most gangs and organized crimes do not have "ideology". what was Al Capone's ideology? or Blood's? or Crips'? or Hell's Angels'? do you even know what ideology means??? ISIS's ideology is much more defined and clearly stated and is religiously-motivated.
 
Jezie said:
:s : scratches head: street gangs and terrorist groups are two totally different birds....
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it's like comparing police officers and military soldiers.... a totally different ball game....
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gang

Read the definition of gang

Terrorist just a type of gang there, government wants just use terrorist to make it sound even evilier but really its just another bunch of people sharing their ideologies.

Why there is street gang, whats their purpose?

Terrorist, whats their purpose?

We all can have good gang and bad gang. Used to be at school and work I was in the team, we were called the gang, it does not mean we are bad, or we are into trouble, I was in gang for a purpose and it happens to be perfect legal.

There are similarities but the differences can be extreme.
 
Jiro said:
it's like comparing police officers and military soldiers.... a totally different ball game....
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Right, what do you call them? Government employee, right? Both have same goals, comply government orders. Both police and military has their prison system, and get paid though taxpayers.
 
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Jiro said:
because we have laws and Constitution in this country and that applies to gangs too. that doesn't apply to ISIS since they're terrorists.

you gotta read between the lines and thru rhetorics. obviously we cannot wipe out ISIS or anything but we can only try to reduce them to the point of irrelevance.


wipe out? more like defeat.

we can defeat ISIS by taking out the leader - just like we defeated Taliban by killing Osama bin Laden. Taliban is not completely wiped out but they're irrelevant now. it's pretty dang silly and stupid to compare ISIS with gang.... major comical.

most gangs and organized crimes do not have "ideology". what was Al Capone's ideology? or Blood's? or Crips'? or Hell's Angels'? do you even know what ideology means??? ISIS's ideology is much more defined and clearly stated and is religiously-motivated.
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http://www.corrections.com/news/article/18629

No ideology in gang, equals no such thing as no purpose of gang. Al capone has his own ideologies, blood's, Crips, and so on have their own ideologies.
 
Gang, the term itself is just a generic word referring to bunch of people coming together and serve their purpose. Like Little Rascals that is if you remember these shows.
 
diehardbiker said:
Exactly, we took out Taliban, now its ISIS, once we take out ISIS, there will be another name of same bunch of people in that gang afterwards. They are very fluidity

Gangs have their own ideology, ISIS has their own Ideology, and don't own a country at all, how can we take them out? As to speak, its harder to take out a gang that don't have any tangible properties.
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Unfortunately the Taliban is still alive and well in Afghanistan and Pakistan. All we did was remove them from controlling Afghanistan and sent them into the hills and back into Pakistan. The only way to get rid of both the Taliban and ISIS is to kill every last one of them and I don't think that will ever happen.
 
seb said:
Unfortunately the Taliban is still alive and well in Afghanistan and Pakistan. All we did was remove them from controlling Afghanistan and sent them into the hills and back into Pakistan. The only way to get rid of both the Taliban and ISIS is to kill every last one of them and I don't think that will ever happen.
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Exactly, thats what I am saying.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/opinion/densley-isis-gangs/


"Isis street gang on steroids " if is this true we need to reach street gangs before Isis does.
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You add "street" with gang, its more specific kind of gang your speaking of.

Its much easier to get rid of street gangster, gangsters on foreign countries where we called them terrorist is on much larger scale than street gangster, so since government failed to eliminate smaller gang, how could they eliminate the larger gangster thats in foreign countries?
 
diehardbiker said:
http://www.corrections.com/news/article/18629

No ideology in gang, equals no such thing as no purpose of gang. Al capone has his own ideologies, blood's, Crips, and so on have their own ideologies.
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so EXACTLY what was Al Capone's ideology? and Blood's? and Crip's? I asked you to be specific about it.

You've gotta be kidding me by using that a "source" and call it as a source. It looks like it's written by a bull****ter who likes to hear himself talking.
 
diehardbiker said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gang

Read the definition of gang

Terrorist just a type of gang there, government wants just use terrorist to make it sound even evilier but really its just another bunch of people sharing their ideologies.

Why there is street gang, whats their purpose?

Terrorist, whats their purpose?

We all can have good gang and bad gang. Used to be at school and work I was in the team, we were called the gang, it does not mean we are bad, or we are into trouble, I was in gang for a purpose and it happens to be perfect legal.

There are similarities but the differences can be extreme.
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no. not at all. there's only one person who would agree both gang and terrorist are same thing and that's only you.

using a dictionary? :lol: oh man...
 
diehardbiker said:
Right, what do you call them? Government employee, right? Both have same goals, comply government orders. Both police and military has their prison system, and get paid though taxpayers.
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no absolutely not.

1. both does not have same goals because it's illegal and unconstitutional.
2. both does not comply from same government orders because LEO does not get order from POTUS and soldiers do not get order from Police Chief/Commissioner
3. both does not imprison same kinds of prisoners and does not use same court proceedings and use different laws.
4. everybody gets paid by taxpayer. that doesn't mean they're all same thing.

therefore.... gang and terrorist are a completely different ball game.

gang is low-level street thug with no ideology. no goal. nothing. just making money and using violence.

terrorist, on the other hand, has a very specific ideology and uses violence to terrorize a public in order to achieve his goal.
 
diehardbiker said:
You add "street" with gang, its more specific kind of gang your speaking of.

Its much easier to get rid of street gangster, gangsters on foreign countries where we called them terrorist is on much larger scale than street gangster, so since government failed to eliminate smaller gang, how could they eliminate the larger gangster thats in foreign countries?
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huh? I'm confused. you are contradicting yourself.

we are not failing to eliminate smaller gang. we are continuing to fight them. it's a forever ongoing process. know this saying? where there is good, evil is always present.

again.... you gotta read between the lines and sift away the rhetorics. elimination is not really possible but making them irrelevant is doable.
 
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