Marijuana VS Alcohol debates

[Liebling:-)))]

And I just realized that I haven't post anything about my experience with the drugs, I thought I did... Guess I am going to start here.

When I was 12 years old, that is my first time to smoke the marijuana and also the alcohol too, including smoking the cigarettes, I start those to make new friends because I lose most of my friends after the school districts seperating the students, plus my ex girlfriend's foster parents stop me from seeing her, it's just a depression experience.

But after those, when I became 14 which I went to the high school for first time, I became a regular smoker, pothead, and alcoholism, I have been through so many troubles with my parents and the school, even with the governments such like being caught, drugs, run away, skipping the school, stealing, sneak during after midnight, fighting, etc.

Since I have been like that, I have been becoming fearless against my parents, the drugs, being depression, making troubles, the school, etc and till I became 15, I tried the magic shroom and the PCP, both once and then when I became 16, I finally end up as crackhead and I became even worst than ever, I just kept fighting with parents everyday, even some of them was physically fighting, stealing all the times, lying to everyone even to my own friends too, being around with dangerous people in black market, etc and I was forced to go to the treatment.

Treatment helped me so much about the drugs and made me realized so many mistakes that I have done with the drugs, including those that I cause troubles with others, since the treatment was over when I was nearly 17 years old, I haven't go back to the crack or any heavy drugs except for the alcohol or marijuana, but my use of alcohol and marijuana have reduced since then. I also haven't steal anything or cause any troubles, only except skipping the school that's all.

First of all, I want to you for share your experience. It´s good to know that you know how to limit with your strong willing.

I would say that your experience is bit opposite to my sister. I have my experience, too is my sister. She addict to the drugs until she ends her life to methadone at 2 years ago. I posted the story about her on my threads.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/21029-my-sister-drugs-paraphernalia-crack-cocain.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/pictures-videos/29956-memorial-my-sister-childhood-pictures-artwork.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/28655-send-condolences-liebling.html

The reason is I created the threads is because I want the people aware about the drug issues.

My sister started smoke tabacoo when she was 9 years old until she tried smoking pot (including marijuana) when she just had 3rd child. Her partner (now ex) knows how to limit himself when he want to smoke kind of weeds. Of course he taught my sister to smoke kind of weeds including marijuna... My sister said to me & my hubby to try it but we refused... They tried to convince us that smoking weeds is much better than smoking tabacoo. She started to addict more and more after tried kind of weeds... and then alcohol. She thought alcohol helps her to get drugs off of her mind but it doesn´t work. Read further at links of my threads...... She have no problem with alcohol but severe problem to rid of drugs... She tried dozen of times to be clean but it doesn´t work... She told me HERSELF that she do wish to stick tabacoo instead of tried kind of weeds including marijuna in first place... after try drugs... not enough then more drug... up to herion... She want to be clean... she tried methadone to rid of drug addiction... Therefore she addicted methadone and then overdose to end her life.

As my personal experiences, the marijuana are the most safest drug I have tried than any other of the drugs

Sorry, I has to disagree that marijuna are the safest drug. I withnessed my sister´s experience. It make her addict more and more... I would say all drugs are not safety and could affect health.

 

[jillio]

First of all, I want to you for share your experience. It´s good to know that you know how to limit with your strong willing.

I would say that your experience is bit opposite to my sister. I have my experience, too is my sister. She addict to the drugs until she ends her life to methadone at 2 years ago. I posted the story about her on my threads.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/21029-my-sister-drugs-paraphernalia-crack-cocain.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/pictures-videos/29956-memorial-my-sister-childhood-pictures-artwork.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/28655-send-condolences-liebling.html

The reason is I created the threads is because I want the people aware about the drug issues.

My sister started smoke tabacoo when she was 9 years old until she tried smoking pot (including marijuana) when she just had 3rd child. Her partner (now ex) knows how to limit himself when he want to smoke kind of weeds. Of course he taught my sister to smoke kind of weeds including marijuna... My sister said to me & my hubby to try it but we refused... They tried to convince us that smoking weeds is much better than smoking tabacoo. She started to addict more and more after tried kind of weeds... and then alcohol. She thought alcohol helps her to get drugs off of her mind but it doesn´t work. Read further at links of my threads...... She have no problem with alcohol but severe problem to rid of drugs... She tried dozen of times to be clean but it doesn´t work... She told me HERSELF that she do wish to stick tabacoo instead of tried kind of weeds including marijuna in first place... after try drugs... not enough then more drug... up to herion... She want to be clean... she tried methadone to rid of drug addiction... Therefore she addicted methadone and then overdose to end her life.









Sorry, I has to disagree that marijuna are the safest drug. I withnessed my sister´s experience. It make her addict more and more... I would say all drugs are not safety and could affect health.

As much as I sympathize with your tragedy, Liebling, please try to keep in mind that it wasn't the marijuana that was responsible. It was your sister's addictive personality. Most marijuana smokers do not go on to use heroin, or any other drugs. For her, marijuana was dangerous, but chances are very good, with an addictive personality, she would have ended up using harder drugs even if she had never smoked marijuana. That is not to say that this wasn't a tragedy for your sister, and for your whole family. Your pain is justified. I understand your feelings. I just don't think that marijuana caused the problems. Just like some people drink alcohol for many years, but never become an alcoholic because they do not have a genetic predispositon to addiction, somepeople can smoke marijuana for years and never become addicted or move to harder drugs to satisfy their addictive tendencies.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I used to smoke weed before. I never get any panic when I get high. Yeah I do laugh for no reason but my friends being funny too. It's same as alcohol do laugh.

You do laugh or panic when you tried one but alcohol doesn´t when I tried one glass of wine. Yes, I would get crazy and laugh a lot when I drink more than 2 glass of wines but not just one.

You said marijuana cause panic. It depend on people who do marijuana abuse can cause screw up their brain. Everyone are different. The most marijuana do have common with behave, relax, sit down and being lazy, do creative on arts or do work on cars.

Yes but it doesn´t same with alcohol. I don´t feel being lazy when I drink one glass of wine but relax.

Meth can cause worse panic than marijuana and alcohol

No, do not blame meth or ANY drugs, alcohol itself but blame the people who abuse drugs and alcohol.

I do drink a wine for relax because I had been stress out on wedding plan. I need to be relax with a glass of wine and bubble the bathtub. My family and my fiance's family do drink alcohol. I never see anyone get into fighting

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Yes, me too.

You think marijuana is fried in brain?? I am telling you about something. I read about Brain Chemistry of drugs user addictive for many years. The worst is Esctasy, METH, Crack Cocaine, Cocaine and Heroin more than Marijuana and Alcohol. Meth is the worst!!!!! It can cause brain, kidney, lungs, liver damage! Also can cause fast aging, rotten teeth and skinny! Meth is the worst than all drugs. Even Meth is dangerous with material and can harm the children. Go check it out. It's so rotten!!!!

Again, no... it´s no excuse to blame any drugs and alcohol itself but the people themselves who abuse them. Yes, any drugs and alcohol affect your health if you abuse them.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

As much as I sympathize with your tragedy, Liebling, please try to keep in mind that it wasn't the marijuana that was responsible. It was your sister's addictive personality. Most marijuana smokers do not go on to use heroin, or any other drugs. For her, marijuana was dangerous, but chances are very good, with an addictive personality, she would have ended up using harder drugs even if she had never smoked marijuana. That is not to say that this wasn't a tragedy for your sister, and for your whole family. Your pain is justified. I understand your feelings. I just don't think that marijuana caused the problems.

Yes, I has to agree with you on this... like what I said in my previous post that my sister´s ex partner who know how to limit the kind of weeds if he want to smoke but my sister doesn´t. Sadly she choose to abuse it. I only shared what she described her own experience after tried drugs... and then regret and wish to stick tabacoo...

 

[jillio]

Yes, I has to agree with you on this... like what I said in my previous post that my sister´s ex partner who know how to limit the kind of weeds if he want to smoke but my sister doesn´t. Sadly she choose to abuse it. I only shared what she described her own experience after tried drugs... and then regret and wish to stick tabacoo...

Yes. Again, I am very sorry for the hardship that you and your family went through, and for the loss of your sister. It is very difficult to watch a loved one destroy themselves in that way, and it affects the whole family. Addiction is a terrible disease.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes. Again, I am very sorry for the hardship that you and your family went through, and for the loss of your sister. It is very difficult to watch a loved one destroy themselves in that way, and it affects the whole family. Addiction is a terrible disease.

for nice thoughtful. Yes it´s very hard.... when we tried so hard for years... I still miss her terrible... I keep ask to myself... why why why... Yes we know that she tried very hard to be clean but it doesn´t work so she took medathene and thought it helps her to be clean but she addicted on it and then end her life...

Yes, addiction is a worst disease....

 

[Foxrac]

Alcohol damages your dendrites.

I'm not concern about that because of not drink so much, I usually drink on occasion day for formal cup of wine.

 

[Foxrac]

Exactly.. It's not fair to fire people for using the marijuana while they allow heavy alcoholism to continue working.



Well I prefer the marijuana because it didn't make me vomit, grumpy, foamy in the stomach, etc. Many people have different preferrance.



Sorry for debating unnecessary about the meth, but I do use marijuana on and off, including the alcohol, also are smoker since I was 14 years old.

Yup, that right about we have different preference.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Excuse me?? I never try METH! No thank! My friends done it before. THey warned me. I am glad that they are care about me. You think I done?? :roll: I am not interesting into METH! I never see a real meth in my whole life. I swear it! I did smoke weed before. I stopped it because my fiance changed my life. You should read my thread! I just want to share with everyone for information. This thread thought Marijuana is worse. I was alike huh?? No! I told them Meth is worst than Marijuana, Alcohol, cigarette and other drugs. You get it? I did research anything. I knew it. I ain't stupid!

Thanks to your fiance for change your life. If he was not around then you would addict on drugs. Right?

Meth? I think heroin, cocaine and methadone are the most dangerous drugs than other drugs. I know methadone is good to rid of drug addiction only if you drink very limit but it would kill you real fast when you addict and overdose it.

Anyway, it´s people themselves who choose to abuse them. My sister tried kind of weeds up to cocaine, heroin then methadone.

 

[Cowpuppy]

Weed alone won't make one violent. Au contraire.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Alcohol damages your dendrites.

Yes, if you drink immoderately or abuse alcohol. Like what I said before to not blame drugs and alcohol itself but it´s human who choose to abuse them.

 

[Cowpuppy]

And legally (in some states perhaps) weed arrest enough for welfare interference......but alchoholism can be and is a more dangerous home environment than a limited weed smokin home.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

He lost his job because he was caught smoking marijuana. You can't just say oh he lost his job because of the policy on the job. Marijuana is illegal, You can't smoke it anywhere out in the public because if you are caught, You'll be arrested and jail. He's lucky he didn't get arrested but he got fired.

PuyoPiyo tried to tell you that it´s Pespi´s husband who lost his job when he know about the law but he choose to violate it and took the drugs. It´s his choice, not marijuana itself.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The same can be said for alcoholics, and that is a legal substance. It can also be said of food addicts, sex addicts,prescription drug addicts, or any addict. The problem is not the substance, it is the addictive personality and behavior. People with an addictive personality can become addicted to anything. People without an addictive personality do not experience those problems. Many people drink alcohol without becoming an alcoholic. Many people have sex without becoming a sex addict. Everyone eats on a daily basis, very few become food addicts. Many people smoke pot, and do not become dependent. In fact, pot has been shown not to create a physical dependence. While there are a few that will become psychologically dependent, it is not the pot they are dependent upon, but the desire to change their circumstances through a mood altering substance or behavior. If this type of user wasn't smoking pot, they would be using a different substance to achieve the results they are after.

that´s what we learn a lot from drug counsellor...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sorry that still does not mean it was the marijuana's fault. Her husband choose to smoke the marijuana, that still doesn't mean it was the marijuana fault. It's him who are the fault because he pick the marijuana while he had a job and the marijuana was illegal, it's his responibilities. Does that make sense?

Yes it make sense because he choose to break the law. It´s his own responsible for job loss when he knows that marijuna is an illegal.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Pepsi
On march 13,1986 My husband, myself and our children came to West Virginia.Do you want to know why? Well my husband lost his job in Baltimore because he got caught smoking pot,we was homeless and lost everything and went on welfare.

for share your post. I am very sorry to hear about your husband´s action.

Due my experience, I would like to have a few questions.

Do you still stay married to him? If yes,

Do you both have children? If yes,

Have he thought about get the help to save his family life including marriage? If yes, what he do?

Do you think it´s sense to stay married to him if he refuses to get the help? If yes then why?

I hope you don´t mind me for ask you question. You don´t have to answer if you don´t feel want to. I only want to give you some tips if you answer on each question because we learn from drug cousellor.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Cheri
I hope you're kidding about what's not fair in firing someone because one smoke marijuana on a job. Nobody is allow to drink alcohol on a job or use drugs. If a boss see a drunk coming to work, that person will be send home. It's dangerous to work while being under the influence of alcohol

Maybe I misunderstand Pepsi's story, did her husband smoke the marijuana during the work?

You both are correct... about drugs and alcohol at work...

It´s her husband who choose to violate the law when he know it´s illegal to smoke marijuana... no matter either in or out of job. He would get caught either if he smoke outside or inside of work place...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

One of my co-worker got caught on 2 counts of trafficking with marijuana. So, of course she was fired from the job. If you were to break a law and to be arrested, that also affects the company's reputation because you're setting an example for this company.

Alcohol vs Marijuana Debate has been ongoing for years and years. Since Alcohol is legal and Marijuana isn't - I'd rather be caught with a cup of beer in my hand rather than a joint.

If I were to be caught with possession of marijuana or any other drug paraphernalia, I could be losing a lot more by, losing my job for one, and not only that, I could be losing my children to the welfare system. That is something I would not want to risk to begin with.

I prefer to pick alcohol in moderately way because it´s a legal. I would lost everything for ignore the law and make an illegal. It will teachs the children to think it´s okay to do illegal that´s why I prefer to not do that...

 

[Awauphi]

I have used pot in the past from the age 13 to age 20. I quit cold turkey after my cousin died in a freak accident. She was riding in with her date's truck and was sleeping while high on pot. She also was drinking. the truck went under the semi truck killed her instantly. Ever since that day I quit pot because I didnt want to sleep and what if it happen to me?

When i was using pot, I slept alots as it help lessen the pains of my migraine headaches. I was not hooked to it. I didnt go and look for it. I only use it every weekend for fun and when i have the headaches.

I was not addicted to it. Nothing. I was drinking too but I don't do that anymore as I am older. I am not addicted to alcohols.

Some people have the addiction to where they cant live without pots or alcohols. It is in their mind. I must have it. so that is the problem.

If i am sick with a horrible disease. I would go back and use pots in moderation to help the pains.

Also I like to mention that when i first tried pot.. i liek the feeling due to high and floating.. till right before i quit using pot. they add the crack in the pot and lead to paranoid and etc. I didnt like it.. that is another reason why I quit due to that.

Now I do drink.. but once in a while.. like occasion like holiday or one time a month just relaxing..

 

[jillio]

for nice thoughtful. Yes it´s very hard.... when we tried so hard for years... I still miss her terrible... I keep ask to myself... why why why... Yes we know that she tried very hard to be clean but it doesn´t work so she took medathene and thought it helps her to be clean but she addicted on it and then end her life...

Yes, addiction is a worst disease....

Methadone is actually more addictive than heroin is. I'm sure that she did try very hard, but her disease was stronger. Her story proves that addiction is not a choice someone makes. Their body makes that choice for them. It is a disease, and far too often, it is a fatal disease.