M. Savage calls Autistic children--BRATS!

deafskeptic said:
Indeed. I've had people - especially my father- tell me if i tried harder, I wouldn't lose things so often. No matter how hard I try, I will lose things more often than most people will. My father says I shouldn't need to have back ups but for those with ADD related organizal problems, backs up are are a necessisty. I always have a copy of my bank statement or other official document ready if I should misplace my driver's id nor do I keep all of my important papers together because losing all of them will make it difficult to prove that I actually exist!

This year I haven't lost my ATM card once. However, I doubt that my card will make it to the expiration date. I tend to lose such cards before before they expire. One year I lost my ATM card 13 times a year; I remember nearly losing my temper when the banker wanted to know how I could lose it so often.
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Well, your father can't compare your behavior with him or other children with no ADD... because they are different... All what we want to help ADD children is change their diet... more sports... time and patience with them...

All what I help my son with therapy is:

Change his diet
Need more sport to get aggressive out
Need to have time and patience with him

Sugar (sweets, soda, sweetner, additives, etc) should not give to ADD children after 2 pm. (Junk foods should be cut)...
They need sports instead of watch on TV or play computer... play with him... - turn TV off one hour before his bedtime... it help to reduce his wild and hyper. It work hard on my son when he was a little... Now he is teenager... didn't show his ADD behavior very much.
 
deafskeptic said:
I also think in pictures myself even though I am not autisic. I'm just reminding you it's not a good idea to assume that all autistic have language problems. Many do seem to have expressive difficulties speech wise but it should not be assumed that they have poor command of the native language around them.
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This is true. While it can be said that the majority of autistic individuals experience expressive communication difficulties through interaction, it is decidedly not true that they experience the same difficulties with language receptively. The problem with autism is not a language problem. It is a social interaction problem that manifests through expressive use of language. DD is confusing symptomology with etiology.
 
deafdyke said:
True, but there ARE misdiganosises. It does seem like a lot of doctors etc see a couple of the symptoms and then label the kid as having the syndrome. Like I wonder if part of the autism epidemic is from ADD-style or learning disabilites being "counted" as part of the spectrum. Does anyone know if there's been a explosion in kids with classic autism?
Deafskeptic............I understand what you're trying to say. I know that autisim occurs on a spectrum from Einstein Syndrome to "let's see if we can't get Jeffy toilet trained in time for his fifteenth birthday"
However, there IS a difference between Asperger's and HFA. Asperger's kids have relatively good language skills, while HFA aren't great at language.
Asperger's is more like the mild "LD" version of autism, whereas HFA is more like kids who might be slow learner types.(ie not quite MR, but not quite normal IQ) Classic autism is more like classic mental retardation.
Aleser,
I know what you're trying to say..........however, I have witnessed the difference between HFA and more classical autism. I'm not one of those out of touch professionals...........and trust me.....it can be quite devastating. How do you know that people with more severe forms of autism aren't devastated by it? You're speaking from the perspective of someone with MILD autism.
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ADD and LD are completely separate diagnoses and are not part of the autism spectrum.

And yes, misdiagnosis does occur from time to time. But usually, the misdiagnosis is in underdiagnosising by the medical community rather than overdiagnosing. As I stated prior, a medical doctor cannot diagnose autism without a full neurological and psychological assessment.
 
jillo, actually according to Exceptional Parent some researchers are thinking that ADD is a form of high functioning autism. I know LD isn't a part of the spectrum, BUT LD kids very often have "Asperger's like" social delays. They don't have Asperger's per se....but they do have the social delays. Some doctors and experts might see those delays and automaticly label LD kids as Aspergers.
(which drives me insane...........I mean I have had a lot of interaction with both Aspie kids and LD kids and their social issues tend to be kinda different...hard to articulate why)
 
deafdyke said:
jillo, actually according to Exceptional Parent some researchers are thinking that ADD is a form of high functioning autism. I know LD isn't a part of the spectrum, BUT LD kids very often have "Asperger's like" social delays. They don't have Asperger's per se....but they do have the social delays. Some doctors and experts might see those delays and automaticly label LD kids as Aspergers.
(which drives me insane...........I mean I have had a lot of interaction with both Aspie kids and LD kids and their social issues tend to be kinda different...hard to articulate why)
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A child with LD would only be labeled as 'Autistic" if a complete work up and assessment had not been done. The kids with LD do not meet the diagnostic criteria for autism, or for autism spectrum disorders.

Social dealys are evident in many mental disorders. Some are environmentally created, some are inherent in the disorder. Social delays associated with LD are usually environmentally created, and are quite varied according to the individual's environment. And not all children with LD will show social delays. However, impeded social interaction is a diagnostic criteria for autism, and it is a symptom of the disorder itself, not environmentally produced as a secondary effect.

"Some researchers are thinking" is only speculation. Neurologists will tell you that the disorders are not related, and the biochemical reactions in the brain to various stimuli are different in those with Autism and those with ADD. Diagnostic criteria are different for the two, and symptomology are different for the two.

If there is an expert out there that is labeling a kid either LD or autistic without a full diagnositc work up and history, then their expertise needs to be questioned.
 
jillo I know. Basicly what some therapists and doctors are doing, may be that they see the "social delays" part of Asperger's, and so think that any kid who's socially bereft is Asperger's. Drives me INSANE!!!!!!
 
deafdyke said:
jillo I know. Basicly what some therapists and doctors are doing, may be that they see the "social delays" part of Asperger's, and so think that any kid who's socially bereft is Asperger's. Drives me INSANE!!!!!!
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How many times does it bear repeating? It takes an army to diagnose autism- neurologists, psychologists and psychiatrists, a GP, ect. One Single Person, no matter what their specialty, cannot diagnose autism.
 
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Aleser said:
How many times does it bear repeating? It takes an army to diagnose autism- neurologists, psychologists and psychologists, a GP, ect. One Single Person, no matter what their specialty, cannot diagnose autism.
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Thank you!:ty:
 
I've been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. My dad had to go private though. He had a letter from a primary school teacher I had discribing my behaviour then and he talked to me for several hours before deciding I had it. It's difficult with me though as I'm only very mildly affected. I suppose it would be possible to misdiagnose like with anything else. My brother was misdiagnosed as having a heart condition when he was at college. It turned out he didnt have it after all and that was after a scan, so anything's possible really.

I would think the other way round would be more common though. I mean people genuinely having something wrong but the doctors not noticing until too late. Like with mum.
 
dreama said:
I've been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. My dad had to go private though. He had a letter from a primary school teacher I had discribing my behaviour then and he talked to me for several hours before deciding I had it. It's difficult with me though as I'm only very mildly affected. I suppose it would be possible to misdiagnose like with anything else. My brother was misdiagnosed as having a heart condition when he was at college. It turned out he didnt have it after all and that was after a scan, so anything's possible really.

I would think the other way round would be more common though. I mean people genuinely having something wrong but the doctors not noticing until too late. Like with mum.
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Underdiagnosis is much more common than overdiagnosis. You are correct.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Well, your father can't compare your behavior with him or other children with no ADD... because they are different... All what we want to help ADD children is change their diet... more sports... time and patience with them...

All what I help my son with therapy is:

Change his diet
Need more sport to get aggressive out
Need to have time and patience with him

Sugar (sweets, soda, sweetner, additives, etc) should not give to ADD children after 2 pm. (Junk foods should be cut)...
They need sports instead of watch on TV or play computer... play with him... - turn TV off one hour before his bedtime... it help to reduce his wild and hyper. It work hard on my son when he was a little... Now he is teenager... didn't show his ADD behavior very much.
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Agreed. My father can't do that.

I'm glad that your hard work with your son has paid off.
 
How many times does it bear repeating? It takes an army to diagnose autism- neurologists, psychologists and psychiatrists, a GP, ect. One Single Person, no matter what their specialty, cannot diagnose autism
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I know that. You have to have an extensive workup, and not just have one single person say "Oh little Smashlie has Asperger's/HFA."
However, because Asperger's/HFA is relatively mild in the nereological world/grand scheme of things sometimes people don't really get a good work up. I have to say that it can be sometimes hard to differentate between Asperger's and other mild nereological issues like LDs, ADD etc.
 
He's actually more of an entertainer than a talk radio host. He say those things just to get your attention. So basically hes nothing but a time waster. He's not worth anything.
 
Oh and it can also be hard to differentate HFA from nonverbal learning disorder or whatever....... I really do think that the "epidemic" is a combonation of misdx, like among mild/HFA folks.....and some parents who "shop around" for a dx (and trust me that sort of thing happens) and the geek syndrome. Like I know that autism is sky high in places like Silicon Valley, b/c of HFA folks marrying.
 
speaking of diet being related to ADD and ADHD - I saw on the news a while back that doctors are starting to believe that there is a link between the junk-food diets of children and adolescents and ADD and ADHD and the fact that in recent years there has been more and more diagnosed children and adolescents. And they have also realized that in those same recent years, that children and adolescents have been eating more junk food and drinking more sodas and energy drinks more than ever.

I'm starting to realize that children need to be restricted from sodas and sweets until they are at least 13. And after that usd only sparingly.

As for M. Savage - I want to pull his pants down and slap his balls for his comment.
 
Dixie said:
speaking of diet being related to ADD and ADHD - I saw on the news a while back that doctors are starting to believe that there is a link between the junk-food diets of children and adolescents and ADD and ADHD and the fact that in recent years there has been more and more diagnosed children and adolescents. And they have also realized that in those same recent years, that children and adolescents have been eating more junk food and drinking more sodas and energy drinks more than ever.

I'm starting to realize that children need to be restricted from sodas and sweets until they are at least 13. And after that usd only sparingly.
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Interesting. Savage has been saying and writing that same thing for years.
 
Reba said:
Interesting. Savage has been saying and writing that same thing for years.
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Then he is simply repeating the correlations that were found through rearch done in the medical and psychological fields. There has long been a recognized correlation.

Has he also been calling autistic children "brats" for years, and just slipped up and did it publicly this time?
 
dead money said:
if i ever walked into him somewhere ill make sure his balls are halfway down his throat when im done with the guy. What an ignorant cocksucking piece of dogshit.
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:h5: I would be happy if you did that. He is savage man! I wish his boss
could fire him for calling it! :mad:
 
jillio said:
Then he is simply repeating the correlations that were found through rearch done in the medical and psychological fields. There has long been a recognized correlation.
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His book was published in 1993.
 
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