Lies about CI's

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GrendelQ said:
Can't you? It's exactly what you are doing here, Jillio.
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kokonut said:
Yet, AD is made up of deaf, hh, and Deaf people with CI, hearing aids, Cuers, ASLers, SEEers, PSEers, lip-readers, late-deafened, oral-aural users and so on.
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Yes but they are dealing with their deaf side
And socializing too.
 
kokonut said:
Yet, AD is made up of deaf, hh, and Deaf people with CI, hearing aids, Cuers, ASLers, SEEers, PSEers, lip-readers, late-deafened, oral-aural users and so on.
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Where are the Cuers and the SEEers?
 
We are getting seriously sidetracked. Back to the topic.

Here's a lie:

A child that gets early implantation will always function on par with their hearing peers because of the nature of the brain.
 
deafgal001 said:
They are deaf. And They experience people who have a problem with deaf people. Hearing person don't understand other say I'm sorry.
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Hearing loss range from mild to profound, experiences vary.
 
jillio said:
But, hey...I'm in the mood to educate today. Let's take this excerpt from RD's Wiki copy and paste:

The learning of one's own native language, typically that of one's parents, normally occurs spontaneously in early human childhood and is biologically driven. A crucial role of this process is the ability of humans from an early age to engage in speech repetition and so quickly acquire a spoken vocabulary from the pronunciation of words spoken around them. This together with other aspects of speech involves the neural activity of parts of the human brain such as the Wernicke's and Broca's areas.
There are approximately 7,000 current human languages, and many, if not most seem to share certain properties, leading to the belief in the existence of Universal Grammar, as shown by generative grammar studies pioneered by the work of Noam Chomsky. Recently, it has been demonstrated that a dedicated network in the human brain (crucially involving Broca's area, a portion of the left inferior frontal gyrus), is selectively activated by complex verbal structures (but not simple ones) of those languages that meet the Universal Grammar requirement

Now, those of you who are so certain that I am wrong, apply this to the deaf child and show me how, exactly it is used to support your assertion that spoken language is the "natural" language of the deaf child. BTW, you might want to clarify "natural" from "native" as you are using the terms incorrectly.
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:hmm: I thought the info was not relevant.
 
deafgal001 said:
In here it is not HLAA(or SHHH or AGbell)
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So, it's not actually "alldeaf", it's, what? "somedeaf", The 10% True Deaf Only forum? DeafEnuf.com? Tell me, which deaf perspectives are approved, and which are those we tell people they shouldn't have and should't discuss here? Which deaf count and which are disregarded because ... what? Because they don't know Jillio's secret handshake?

Should we break it down into preferred communication methods, perspective on devices/tools, or educational choices or do we need to get into our credibility Deaf Culture-wise (DOD to 6 generations, etc?)?

Which of these backgrounds/ experiences qualify, which get the boot?

  • ASL only
  • whatever it is that PFH believes
  • ASL + written English - only
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (but only if absolutely necessary)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (but only because I was raised that way)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (and I admit I like SEE2!)
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (and I speak willingly, not just to please those frikken audists, which makes me an audist, yup)
  • SEE + written English
  • SEE + written English + spoken English ('audism' hadn't been coined when I was young)
  • CS + written/spoken English
  • written / spoken English (I really wish I knew ASL, I just don't have time to learn, but I mandate that everyone else should learn! ASL Rocks! Even though I don't know it.)
  • written / spoken English
    ...

or

  • CIs/HAs are instruments of genocide
  • don't wear a hearing device
  • HAs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • CIs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • HAs now
  • CIs now
    ...

or

  • Deaf res school & Gally -- all ASL, all the time, baby
  • Oral school + saw the light at Gally
  • Deaf residential + deaf-focused college
  • Oral school + deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + Gally/deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + non-deaf-focused school
  • bi-bi school +
    ... and so on
 
GrendelQ said:
So, it's not actually "alldeaf", it's, what? "somedeaf", The 10% True Deaf Only forum? DeafEnuf.com? Tell me, which deaf perspectives are approved, and which are those we tell people they shouldn't have and should't discuss here? Which deaf count and which are disregarded because ... what? Because they don't know Jillio's secret handshake?

Should we break it down into preferred communication methods, perspective on devices/tools, or educational choices or do we need to get into our credibility Deaf Culture-wise (DOD to 6 generations, etc?)?

Which of these backgrounds/ experiences qualify, which get the boot?

  • ASL only
  • whatever it is that PFH believes
  • ASL + written English - only
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (but only if absolutely necessary)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (but only because I was raised that way)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (and I admit I like SEE2!)
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (and I speak willingly, not just to please those frikken audists, which makes me an audist, yup)
  • SEE + written English
  • SEE + written English + spoken English ('audism' hadn't been coined when I was young)
  • CS + written/spoken English
  • written / spoken English (I really wish I knew ASL, I just don't have time to learn, but I mandate that everyone else should learn! ASL Rocks! Even though I don't know it.)
  • written / spoken English
    ...

or

  • CIs/HAs are instruments of genocide
  • don't wear a hearing device
  • HAs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • CIs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • HAs now
  • CIs now
    ...

or

  • Deaf res school & Gally -- all ASL, all the time, baby
  • Oral school + saw the light at Gally
  • Deaf residential + deaf-focused college
  • Oral school + deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + Gally/deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + non-deaf-focused school
  • bi-bi school +
    ... and so on
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Brilliant!
 
GrendelQ said:
So, it's not actually "alldeaf", it's, what? "somedeaf", The 10% True Deaf Only forum? DeafEnuf.com? Tell me, which deaf perspectives are approved, and which are those we tell people they shouldn't have and should't discuss here? Which deaf count and which are disregarded because ... what? Because they don't know Jillio's secret handshake?

Should we break it down into preferred communication methods, perspective on devices/tools, or educational choices or do we need to get into our credibility Deaf Culture-wise (DOD to 6 generations, etc?)?

Which of these backgrounds/ experiences qualify, which get the boot?

  • ASL only
  • whatever it is that PFH believes
  • ASL + written English - only
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (but only if absolutely necessary)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (but only because I was raised that way)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (and I admit I like SEE2!)
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (and I speak willingly, not just to please those frikken audists, which makes me an audist, yup)
  • SEE + written English
  • SEE + written English + spoken English ('audism' hadn't been coined when I was young)
  • CS + written/spoken English
  • written / spoken English (I really wish I knew ASL, I just don't have time to learn, but I mandate that everyone else should learn! ASL Rocks! Even though I don't know it.)
  • written / spoken English
    ...

or

  • CIs/HAs are instruments of genocide
  • don't wear a hearing device
  • HAs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • CIs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • HAs now
  • CIs now
    ...

or

  • Deaf res school & Gally -- all ASL, all the time, baby
  • Oral school + saw the light at Gally
  • Deaf residential + deaf-focused college
  • Oral school + deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + Gally/deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + non-deaf-focused school
  • bi-bi school +
    ... and so on
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You are truly getting out of line. The lack of respect you are showing for the members of this forum us inexcusable.
 
GrendelQ said:
So, it's not actually "alldeaf", it's, what? "somedeaf", The 10% True Deaf Only forum? DeafEnuf.com? Tell me, which deaf perspectives are approved, and which are those we tell people they shouldn't have and should't discuss here? Which deaf count and which are disregarded because ... what? Because they don't know Jillio's secret handshake?

Should we break it down into preferred communication methods, perspective on devices/tools, or educational choices or do we need to get into our credibility Deaf Culture-wise (DOD to 6 generations, etc?)?

Which of these backgrounds/ experiences qualify, which get the boot?

  • ASL only
  • whatever it is that PFH believes
  • ASL + written English - only
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (but only if absolutely necessary)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (but only because I was raised that way)
  • ASL + written English + SEE2 (and I admit I like SEE2!)
  • ASL + written English + spoken English (and I speak willingly, not just to please those frikken audists, which makes me an audist, yup)
  • SEE + written English
  • SEE + written English + spoken English ('audism' hadn't been coined when I was young)
  • CS + written/spoken English
  • written / spoken English (I really wish I knew ASL, I just don't have time to learn, but I mandate that everyone else should learn! ASL Rocks! Even though I don't know it.)
  • written / spoken English
    ...

or

  • CIs/HAs are instruments of genocide
  • don't wear a hearing device
  • HAs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • CIs in the past -- kicked the habit
  • HAs now
  • CIs now
    ...

or

  • Deaf res school & Gally -- all ASL, all the time, baby
  • Oral school + saw the light at Gally
  • Deaf residential + deaf-focused college
  • Oral school + deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + Gally/deaf-focused college
  • Special Resource / Mainstreamed + non-deaf-focused school
  • bi-bi school +
    ... and so on
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You forgot "regular school" with no need for additional or special support unless requested.
 
jillio said:
You are still misusing the term "natural" language. What you are talking about is "native" language. And from what you say, your daughter did not have a "native" language when she came into your care.

Now if you want to discuss what is the most natural (eg easily acquired) mode of language for a deaf person, that is another topic.

Lack of exposure does not determine the naturalness of the mode. Hence, so many deaf kids restricted to using their weakest sense for language.
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1. wrong: I was not discussing native language (my daughter's native language would have been Mandarin -- different from her natural language). I was discussing natural language.

2. exposure is a critical component of what make a language natural, and goes hand in hand with access to a language (that's where mode factors in).
 
The division here is between hearing parents who think they know what deafness is all about simply because they have a child who is deaf, and the people who have lived all of their lives with deafness. The hearing parents would do well to pay attention to the real experts on deafness, and stop spending so much time trying to find a way around the fact that their child is deaf and has much in common with the deaf adults on this forum.

I see a lot of issues.
 
jillio said:
You are truly getting out of line. The lack of respect you are showing for the members of this forum us inexcusable.
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I don't see any lack of respect. She is making a valid point. The deaf perspective and experience is as diverse as the deaf community itself.
 
jillio said:
You are truly getting out of line. The lack of respect you are showing for the members of this forum us inexcusable.
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The only member I have a lack of respect for is you and your implication that any member of the deaf community has to qualify against some rule of yours to participate here, that someone who has a different opinion or perspective from yours is not welcome, that because someone supports both ASL and spoken language, he or she violates some unwritten order of your making.
 
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