Lies about CI's

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jillio said:
Oh, please, Grendel. The child has to be exposed to it in order to acquire it. Obviously, you need to spend some time reading a bit about language acquisition.

Nor did I say that a child cannot pick up English peripherally. I said a deaf child does not pick up spoken language incidentally and peripherally. Disagree with me if you must, but you will also be disagreeing with the professionals who have studied this for many, many years and say exactly the same thing. I guess you know so much more than the experts, however, because you are the mother of a deaf toddler and have been at this for, what? All of three years?
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Her daughter was also adopted from China and that MAY be why she's having to pick up ASL peripherally. ASL isn't her NATIVE language; neither is spoken English. Therefore, it's all "Greek" to her, and, she must learn BOTH peripherally.

If an American Deaf child is born, they'll pick up ASL naturally, correct? If a child is British same thing? A Deaf Chinese child will pick what her NATIVE sign language would be naturally. It's interesting how people aquire their own natural language; whether they are deaf or hearing. For instance, I couldn't speak Chinese if my life depended on it....

But, wait something just struck me... Can't a baby/toddler pick up other languages at very young ages? Someone wanna chime in here? Jillio?
 
jillio said:
Perhaps he could have done more with the proper environment.:cool2:
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GrendelQ said:
Bingo! Now. How would you like it if I said the same about your son? Not pretty, right?
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jillio said:
It has been said. In regard to oral language. Remember you are relatively new to this forum.
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I didn't realize that you felt your son could have done more given an oral environment. I'd gotten the impression that you continued to espouse the methods you'd used in his upbringing.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Her daughter was also adopted from China and that MAY be why she's having to pick up ASL peripherally. ASL isn't her NATIVE language; neither is spoken English. Therefore, it's all "Greek" to her, and, she must learn BOTH peripherally.
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She is being taught both at this point. However, her ASL instruction, according to Grendel, is concerned with vocab. The most recent unit is in relation to cooking vocab. However, being taught vocab and acquiring language is two very different cognitive processes, and that is where Grendel keeps getting confused.
 
jillio said:
She is being taught both at this point. However, her ASL instruction, according to Grendel, is concerned with vocab. The most recent unit is in relation to cooking vocab. However, being taught vocab and acquiring language is two very different cognitive processes, and that is where Grendel keeps getting confused.
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I see. Yes, it's very different.
 
I have just read the last couple pages of this thread and I am still bewildered. What in the name of God is so great about spoken English??? I can read between the lines and it is undeniable that the hearing people in this thread cannot praise it enough. It makes me literally sick to the stomach. I could pass as a hearing person, but the cost of doing it is so blamed high! I have different circles of friends, and I realize that I very much prefer the company of quiet/grunting signing deaf folk. That is the bottom line.
 
Mountain Man said:
Actually, the crucial thing is that the auditory portions of his brain are developed, and that can be accomplished through the use of hearing aids which he has. He also sees a speech therapist, but at this point in his life, developing speech is not a priority to us.

Plus, saying that his brain will be "hardwired" after the age of 5 is not necessarily true. Linguists believe that the "black box", that part of the brain that allows one to easily learn language, remains open until anywhere from the age of 5 to 12. And it's not as though new language acquisition is impossible after that point, otherwise adults could never learn a new language, it's just the age at which language acquisition is easiest.

It's also known that it's easier to learn a secondary language if you are skilled in your primary language. Since I know that my son has access to sign language (that is he has the ability to use it) then that is our focus. We'll worry about spoken English later, and if he never learns to hear and speak English for whatever reason, so what? As my wife says, "Oh darn, I guess that means he'll never be able to work at a McDonald's drive-thru." :D
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I didn't say "hardwired" but increasingly difficult. The number of neurons and synapses grow at an amazing rate early in a child's life. The brain is essentially a sponge absorbing everything it can and learn from it. That's the window of opportunity for the auditory processing part.

Now, developing speech may not be a priority to YOU but certainly a skill to be developed. I'm talking about combining both auditory and oral development since they do both go hand in hand. Intelligible speech is a desirable skill to have and use, quite useful in a lot of situations.
 
Beowulf said:
I have just read the last couple pages of this thread and I am still bewildered. What in the name of God is so great about spoken English??? I can read between the lines and it is undeniable that the hearing people in this thread cannot praise it enough. It makes me literally sick to the stomach. I could pass as a hearing person, but the cost of doing it is so blamed high! I have different circles of friends, and I realize that I very much prefer the company of quiet/grunting signing deaf folk. That is the bottom line.
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I know.. I've said countless times that English is boring.
 
Beowulf said:
I have just read the last couple pages of this thread and I am still bewildered. What in the name of God is so great about spoken English??? I can read between the lines and it is undeniable that the hearing people in this thread cannot praise it enough. It makes me literally sick to the stomach. I could pass as a hearing person, but the cost of doing it is so blamed high! I have different circles of friends, and I realize that I very much prefer the company of quiet/grunting signing deaf folk. That is the bottom line.
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Because it's the language of the masses and the Deaf MUST conform to the masses.

Sickening, much? :roll:
 
GrendelQ said:
I didn't realize that you felt your son could have done more given an oral environment. I'd gotten the impression that you continued to espouse the methods you'd used in his upbringing.
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:hmm:
 
Beowulf said:
I have just read the last couple pages of this thread and I am still bewildered. What in the name of God is so great about spoken English??? I can read between the lines and it is undeniable that the hearing people in this thread cannot praise it enough. It makes me literally sick to the stomach. I could pass as a hearing person, but the cost of doing it is so blamed high! I have different circles of friends, and I realize that I very much prefer the company of quiet/grunting signing deaf folk. That is the bottom line.
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Hey...I'm hearing!:lol:
 
kokonut said:
I didn't say "hardwired" but increasingly difficult. The number of neurons and synapses grow at an amazing rate early in a child's life. The brain is essentially a sponge absorbing everything it can and learn from it. That's the window of opportunity for the auditory processing part.

Now, developing speech may not be a priority to YOU but certainly a skill to be developed. I'm talking about combining both auditory and oral development since they do both go hand in hand. Intelligible speech is a desirable skill to have and use, quite useful in a lot of situations.
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You really need to stick to your area of expertise. Obviously, it is not cognitive or neuro-psychology. There is misinformation in your post.
 
GrendelQ said:
I didn't realize that you felt your son could have done more given an oral environment. I'd gotten the impression that you continued to espouse the methods you'd used in his upbringing.
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Looks like you need some reading comprehension instruction. Or perhaps you are just having a bad day and need someone to direct your frustration toward. Whatever.:roll: I'm done feeding the troll.
 
Beowulf said:
I would be honored to be in your company (and a very few others). :P
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Yeah...I was just teasing you! People are getting downright nasty around here this a.m. Needed a bit of levity.:giggle:
 
jillio said:
Looks like you need some reading comprehension instruction. Or perhaps you are just having a bad day and need someone to direct your frustration toward. Whatever.:roll: I'm done feeding the troll.
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Ignore is a wonderful feature, Jillio. :giggle:
 
What GrendelQ has done is admirable is all I can say considering her circumstances.
 
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