Lies about CI's

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Daredevel7 said:
Whoo... someone's jumping the gun...

FJ was arguing about deaf people naturally being visual learners. I don't even know why. I think it's because she believes that if they ARE natural visual learners, that somehow implies that they can't do as well by listening via the CI or using the CI is wrong. So it was a comment meant FOR her.

Also, not the PERSON'S full potential. The DEVICES' full potential. Huge difference!!!

Whew... parents!!
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It seems to be correlated in some people's view.:cool2:
 
posts from hell said:
Alright - what is your definition of success? What is his? What is everyone's?

Mine's drastically different from everyone's. I basically don't care what credentials you have on paper.
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Success is subjective. And I can guarantee you that a deaf child's idea of success and the hearing parent's idea of success usually don't match in the least.
 
GrendelQ said:
That's great news. One of the primary reasons I bus my child across the state is to be immersed in ASL, which for some unnatural reason she wasn't getting all on her own. It would be lovely for her to attend the school down the street instead of riding 4 hours a day! You think, then, that she'll acquire her ASL incidentally and peripherally in her local public school, rather than in a directed program?
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Sarcastic much, or just in a mood to twist words? A child cannot naturally acquire ASL in a public school. Try sticking to reading my posts a bit more throroughly. She can through immersion. Which is exactly what putting her in a bi-bi school achieves.
 
jillio said:
Success is subjective. And I can guarantee you that a deaf child's idea of success and the hearing parent's idea of success usually don't match in the least.
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Wow, we definitely agree there. Li-Li's idea of success is getting a chocolate chip cookie off the high shelf in the pantry and slipping another Spider-man movie into the Netflix queue when I'm not watching what's she's doing on the iPad. Mine's different.
 
GrendelQ said:
Wow, we definitely agree there. Li-Li's idea of success is getting a chocolate chip cookie off the high shelf in the pantry and slipping another Spider-man movie into the Netflix queue when I'm not watching what's she's doing on the iPad. Mine's different.
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Indeed. The idea of success is different. I think what GrendelQ is doing is fantastic. Keep up with the good work, your daughter will certainly thank you later on.
 
GrendelQ said:
That's wonderful. Gold star. But, nobody in this conversation said your son couldn't excel academically because of his use of ASL. Somebody did imply that HHIssues was only "getting by" and not excelling because of his communication preferences and background.
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No, what is being said is that a child cannot succeed without spoken language. And someone involved in this conversation has stated that in the past. You simply aren't aware of it. Have another cup of coffee.
 
GrendelQ said:
Bingo! Now. How would you like it if I said the same about your son? Not pretty, right?
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It has been said. In regard to oral language. Remember you are relatively new to this forum.
 
jillio said:
It is...for the hearing. It must be taught to the deaf. Hence, all the therapy and directed play needed.
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Gestures is natural unspoken language for both hearing and deaf. I've already seen it from my husband and son tries to gestures to me. it could be more than just a gesture and home signs. I could have taught our son signing from the moment he was born so we could have a better relationship. But that's ok, we both are learning.
 
jillio said:
No, what is being said is that a child cannot succeed without spoken language. And someone involved in this conversation has stated that in the past. You simply aren't aware of it. Have another cup of coffee.
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nodding... thats where im angling at.
 
deafgal001 said:
Gestures is natural unspoken language for both hearing and deaf. I've already seen it from my husband and son tries to gestures to me. it could be more than just a gesture and home signs. I could have taught our son signing from the moment he was born so we could have a better relationship. But that's ok, we both are learning.
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I totally agree. And, it seems as if most deaf people are, by natural instinct, more visual and interpretive because we make up for what we lack in hearing.
 
jillio said:
No, what is being said is that a child cannot succeed without spoken language. And someone involved in this conversation has stated that in the past. You simply aren't aware of it. Have another cup of coffee.
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There's a reason why HHIssue choose CIs over HAs.
 
Who or where has somebody said that in order to succeed you must have spoken language? (looking at Greg Hlibok's recent promotion). Any link?
 
GrendelQ said:
Wow, we definitely agree there. Li-Li's idea of success is getting a chocolate chip cookie off the high shelf in the pantry and slipping another Spider-man movie into the Netflix queue when I'm not watching what's she's doing on the iPad. Mine's different.
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Wait until she hits the pre-teen stage. The differences will be more glaring, and definately more insidious. Especially in regard to her deafness. I suggest you get ready when she reaches about the 4th grade level. That will provide you with a year to gear up. The issues begin to manifest about that time, on average.
 
deafgal001 said:
Gestures is natural unspoken language for both hearing and deaf. I've already seen it from my husband and son tries to gestures to me. it could be more than just a gesture and home signs. I could have taught our son signing from the moment he was born so we could have a better relationship. But that's ok, we both are learning.
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Gestural language predates spoken language. Spoken language has gestural language as it's foundation. People might want to keep that in mind.:P And children exposed to sign from birth will begin to babble and use 1 word communications at the age of 6 months...almost a year prior to spoken language for a hearing child.
 
jillio said:
Sarcastic much, or just in a mood to twist words? A child cannot naturally acquire ASL in a public school. Try sticking to reading my posts a bit more throroughly.
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Clear as can be. You are saying that a child will incidentally and peripherally acquire ASL -- without being taught it -- just not in a public school. But that a child cannot pick up English incidentally and peripherally.

If this were the case, all of the many, many people on this forum who complain about not being given ASL as a child are sadly mistaken -- it was right in front of them all along. And my daughter would certainly not be using English to the extent that she is, given that her academic environment is primarily ASL-based.
 
AlleyCat said:
I totally agree. And, it seems as if most deaf people are, by natural instinct, more visual and interpretive because we make up for what we lack in hearing.
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That has been supported through various psychological studies over the years. (But I won't say cognitive psychology, because there are those that seem to misinterpret the word "cognitive and get upset.:P)
 
GrendelQ said:
Clear as can be. You are saying that a child will incidentally and peripherally acquire ASL -- without being taught it -- just not in a public school. But that a child cannot pick up English incidentally and peripherally.

If this were the case, all of the many, many people on this forum who complain about not being given ASL as a child are sadly mistaken -- it was right in front of them all along. And my daughter would certainly not be using English to the extent that she is, given that her academic environment is primarily ASL-based.
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Oh, please, Grendel. The child has to be exposed to it in order to acquire it. Obviously, you need to spend some time reading a bit about language acquisition.

Nor did I say that a child cannot pick up English peripherally. I said a deaf child does not pick up spoken language incidentally and peripherally. Disagree with me if you must, but you will also be disagreeing with the professionals who have studied this for many, many years and say exactly the same thing. I guess you know so much more than the experts, however, because you are the mother of a deaf toddler and have been at this for, what? All of three years?
 
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