Lies about CI's

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posts from hell said:
Yea - it does matter somewhat.

The reason I say this -- You're all honors growing up, going to some prestigious university, wind up with a C level job, a nice home, family, etc...

Just because of parent's pressure growing up for you to 'succeed'.
Which is perfectly acceptable...

But ... You're not happy. Yet you're stuck in the situation.

Is that success? To me, nope. Same concept can be applied here.

Many people's perspectives are different and it does get projected upon one other often here.
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Hmm, so why do you want each person to outline the details of what he considers success (as opposed to just taking his word for whether or not he feels he achieved it)? So you can dissect and judge their values against yours?
 
GrendelQ said:
Hmm, so why do you want each person to outline the details of what he considers success (as opposed to just taking his word for whether or not they feel they achieved it)? So you can dissect and judge their values against yours?
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i edited. you're being a hawk and watching my posts as they come in this morning.. wow. :)

no judging. the point is are they happy?
 
Mountain Man said:
I do what I feel is in the best interest of my son and not to receive accolades from strangers on the internet. If people want to praise or condemn me for my decisions then more power to them. It makes no difference to me.
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Yes, Jillio did, in the past, praise FJ for using sign and raising her child in a bi-bi school. However, much has changed since that point in time, and FJ has become increasingly audist in her attitude and her patronization of the deaf since the first week of her daughter's implant. Her philosophy has done a complete turn around when it comes to deaf education. For instance, since implantation, her daughter is no longer attending a bi-bi school, and her primary focus has become spoken language, despite the fact that her daughter was thriving in an atmosphere that was heavily visual. I see switching a child from an atmosphere where they are thriving into an atmosphere where they struggle simply because the child has received an implant as a negative. I cannot support the implant being used as an excuse to promote oralism for the deaf.

And you are absolutely correct. The confidence you have in the decisions you have made is indicative of someone who knows, without question, that they have made the proper decision. I asked for no one's approval in making the decisions I made for my son, and neither should you.

And while the warnings are going out, I would worry more about a poster that shows up only to make waves and criticize those that dissaprove of his audist perspective.
 
faire_jour said:
I was comparing implants to other "unnatural" interventions.
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Interventions that are used for illness. So, in effect, you are also comparing deafness to an illness that needs medical treatment. See how you trap yourself and your audist views just come out?
 
jillio said:
It is...for the hearing. It must be taught to the deaf. Hence, all the therapy and directed play needed.
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My daughter -- who is at a bi-bi school -- attends a special weekly pull-out session to increase her comprehension and use of ASL, focused on cooking. This every-Friday morning program augments what she's already getting in the regular classroom with directed play and therapy. ASL must be taught to the deaf, just as English must be taught to the deaf. How is teaching a language not "natural".
 
Beowulf said:
Don't worry. While we were young it may have seemed enough "to get by." We were just putting on a front, and when we got older and wiser and more honest, we SAW the limitations we put ourselves in, purely for the gratification of others. I just wish all deafies have this epiphany early on.
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The earlier the better. Wouldn't hurt for a few hearing parents to see that burning bush, either.
 
GrendelQ said:
My daughter -- who is at a bi-bi school -- attends a special weekly pull-out session to increase her comprehension and use of ASL, focused on cooking. This every-Friday morning program augments what she's already getting in the regular classroom with directed play and therapy. ASL must be taught to the deaf, just as English must be taught to the deaf. How is teaching a language not "natural".
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Incorrect. ASL can be acquired. It is accessible through incidental learning and peripheral learning. Spoken language is not. Acquisition requires no intervention. Your daughter is getting sessions because she missed the all important acquisition process earlier in her life. NOW she must be taught in order to remediate the fact that she was not exposed to language that she could naturally acquire. And she will begin to acquire ASL through peripheral means. Teaching vocab and acquiring a language are two very different processes and have very different outcomes. When we say that ASL is a natural language, it is meant that it is a language that can be acquired in a natural learning environment, not dependent upon structured activity. And you have already cited incidents in which it is obvious that your daughter is acquiring ASL as a natural cognitive process.
 
jillio said:
Incorrect. ASL can be acquired. It is accessible through incidental learning and peripheral learning. Spoken language is not.
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That's great news. One of the primary reasons I bus my child across the state is to be immersed in ASL, which for some unnatural reason she wasn't getting all on her own. It would be lovely for her to attend the school down the street instead of riding 4 hours a day! You think, then, that she'll acquire her ASL incidentally and peripherally in her local public school, rather than in a directed program?
 
rick48 said:
Oh please give it a rest! Enough with the self-serving and self-promoting BS!

What you seek is no different than what many of us seek for ourselves, our children and others? The big difference is that you believe that you are the only one who has cornered that market. That your way is the only way.

"Words and actions don't match." - Jillio

If you are truly interested in learning from the deaf, not just those who agree with you but all the deaf then you have a bizarre way of demonstrating it. Instead of seeking a dialogue from others who have sought a different path than you, instead of seeking to learn from others why that path worked either for themselves or for their children, you attack and are openly hostile to those who either do not agree with you or accept your positions as the only path.

So spare me the sanctimonious jive about all that you believe as many of us share the same beliefs just approach it differently. Its always easy to listen only to those who agree with you and wrap yourself in the comfort of a circle that all thinks the same. Approaching an issue differently does not mean one is wrong or that it is better, sometimes it is simply what it is: different.

"If we're all thinking the same, then we're not thinking at all." - Coach John Wooden

Rick
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Go away, angry man. Spend some time with your daughter. Or better yet, with a therapist. You have some serious issues you need to deal with.
 
HHIssues said:
Cause I speak from my own experience. My own parents didn't know signs yet I understood every word they said, especially my mother.

For your information, I was an honor student in high school. Made the honor society in both junior and high school. Also graduated cum laude with a bachelor's degree in computer science. How's that for a "low standard"?
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And? My son was an honor student all through school...without an oral environment or a CI. He graduated Suma with a bachelor's degree and is now a grad student. Go figure.
 
GrendelQ said:
He's answering MountainMan's statement that the goal shouldn't just be to "get by" -- implying that this is all that HHIssues has done and isn't enough -- but "to excel" -- which he has done.
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Perhaps he could have done more with the proper environment.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
And? My son was an honor student all through school...without an oral environment or a CI. He graduated Suma with a bachelor's degree and is now a grad student. Go figure.
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That's wonderful. Gold star. But, nobody in this conversation said your son couldn't excel academically because of his use of ASL. Somebody did imply that HHIssues was only "getting by" and not excelling because of his communication preferences and background.
 
jillio said:
Perhaps he could have done more with the proper environment.:cool2:
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Bingo! Now. How would you like it if I said the same about your son? Not pretty, right?
 
GrendelQ said:
That's wonderful. Gold star. But, nobody in this conversation said your son couldn't excel academically because of his use of ASL. Somebody did imply that HHIssues was only "getting by" and not excelling because of his communication preferences and background.
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I thought they boldly stated it. And I was sad for a millisecond there. But Harry Potter opens today!
 
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