"Letting the Child Decide"

[beetarehoh]

For people with smaller losses like yours, you are correct. However, if you have a large loss then there is often a noticeable difference between hearing aids and CIs in terms of quality.

This is because the harder the hearing aid has to work, the greater distortion it causes. The CI doesn't work by amplifying residual hearing as a hearing aid does but rather sends a signal that is interpreted by the brain as sound and so for most people with large losses, the CI wins hands down.

Before I suddenly lost my residual hearing, I had a loss of 80-105db and grew up with hearing aids. Now with my CI, the improved clarity is really noticeable. I can hear sounds that I never heard before, especially high frequency sounds.

I respect your viewpoints and it's been fortunate that you and your children have been able to benefit from both hearing aids and ASL.

R2D2

Thanks for explaining about CI and hearing aides, that clarifies for me. I ll never know what kind of sounds the CI does. I definitly not qualify for it.

I am fortunate because I had terrible experienced with oral until when I was 16 years old I learned ASL. I will not let my kids go through the same as me.

 

[beetarehoh]

Thanks for the good luck wish, I appreciate that. However, anyone posting here at this forum is way to old to have an experience that will even approximate my son's regarding age at implantation, technology of the implant, number of implants, etc. Same with the friends you have spoken to.

We must make sure when sharing stories about success or failure that we are comparing similar situations.

I do appreciate your thoughts, however, and I definitely don't want to be asking for that special kind of "Brittle".

Drew's Dad,

Old or not, there are adults using current CI's and should recieve the sound the same as your son. Difference may be speech delay because young can learn quicker. Sounds should be the same and he/she(old) may be delayed to recnognized it. When the adults get use to CI(which takes longer than the youngs) they should hear and respond just as same as youngs do.

It is very difficult to make sure to "sharing stories about success or failure that we are comparing similar situations." Everybody shares differences in this post, because we all experience from different environments. I sure hope your son is doing really well.



beetarehoh

 

[Cloggy]

Drew's Dad

You've made your point: You decide for your child to have CI. And you will have to deal whatever the future consequences that may come. And who knows WHEN your child becomes an adult he will understand why you decide it.

I want to warn you: I believe that this point any child and adults having CI implants can NEVER meet the fluent and smooth socializing with hearing world. In the hearing group setting a CI implanted child cannot compete within verbal language. Children may become isolated from a hearing group setting. Although they do very well with one on one. Maybe you dont mind repeating to your child what everybody in the group setting is laughing about. That would be hard to keep up for your child. I may be wrong: anyone here at AD can verbally fluent and compete well in the hearing group setting?????? Please reply

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Well said. You "believe".
I hope you will get a chance to meet a child like I met. 14 years old, and she has 1 CI. She was in a classroom and the teacher never realised she was deaf. She followed everything and answered without indicating that she was deaf.

Again, I hope you might meet someone like that, but then again, they are hard to spot. After all, they speak without problems... How would you be able to tell??

 

[Cloggy]

Drew's Dad,

Old or not, there are adults using current CI's and should recieve the sound the same as your son. Difference may be speech delay because young can learn quicker. Sounds should be the same and he/she(old) may be delayed to recnognized it. When the adults get use to CI(which takes longer than the youngs) they should hear and respond just as same as youngs do.
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beetarehoh

Wrong, the brain of the child is making most of the connections for hearing, listning, speaking before age 6. That's why we choose to implant our daughter asap.
Adults that have been deaf all theor life do not have these connections, and learning to hear, speak and listen will be possible, but never to the level as a deaf toddler that gets CI.

I have a feeling that many deaf adults fail using their CI because of this. At some stage they will "try" CI and expect to hear and be able to speak. They do not expect hard work, because the brain has to learn all of the new input and even so, the brain is way past the crucial first 6 years of life.

So, "When the adults get use to CI (which takes longer than the youngs) they should hear and respond just as same as youngs do. " is incorrect. They will never be able to reach the level that a toddler will reach.

 

[shel90]

Well said. You "believe".
I hope you will get a chance to meet a child like I met. 14 years old, and she has 1 CI. She was in a classroom and the teacher never realised she was deaf. She followed everything and answered without indicating that she was deaf.

Again, I hope you might meet someone like that, but then again, they are hard to spot. After all, they speak without problems... How would you be able to tell??

My friend knows two sisters who both have CIs..can't tell with the younger one that she is deaf. Different story with the older one. Very interesting how that happens. Thank goodness they both know ASL cuz the older one misses out on so much info and relies heavily on ASL.

Just curious..is it your wish to make all deaf people to be like hearing people and don't use sign language anymore or u just want that for your daughter only?

 

[beetarehoh]

Wrong, the brain of the child is making most of the connections for hearing, listning, speaking before age 6. That's why we choose to implant our daughter asap.
Adults that have been deaf all theor life do not have these connections, and learning to hear, speak and listen will be possible, but never to the level as a deaf toddler that gets CI.

I have a feeling that many deaf adults fail using their CI because of this. At some stage they will "try" CI and expect to hear and be able to speak. They do not expect hard work, because the brain has to learn all of the new input and even so, the brain is way past the crucial first 6 years of life.

So, "When the adults get use to CI (which takes longer than the youngs) they should hear and respond just as same as youngs do. " is incorrect. They will never be able to reach the level that a toddler will reach.

How do you know? Are you CI user too? I am speaking for somebody who is already a CI user, OLD and YOUNG. I like for CI user to respond to this post because they are the people who REALLY experience the sounds, not the parent. And I am open to critizism, thats how I learn! Smile.

 

[beetarehoh]

Well said. You "believe".
I hope you will get a chance to meet a child like I met. 14 years old, and she has 1 CI. She was in a classroom and the teacher never realised she was deaf. She followed everything and answered without indicating that she was deaf.

Again, I hope you might meet someone like that, but then again, they are hard to spot. After all, they speak without problems... How would you be able to tell??

I sure hope I can meet someone like her too! I may be convinced, but not now I am. I like to see how well she does in classrooms and socializing too! Did you study her experience with social? Is she popular? Can she talk fluently with PEERS in social setting? If she can thats wonderful then I ll say nothing.

Also, how can the teacher not realized? Aren't CI users usually sit in front row of the classroom? They usually reserve the spot for CI users. Can anyone here in AD sit anywhere in the classroom and still can hear the teacher? I am curious.

beetarehoh

 

[shel90]

How do you know? Are you CI user too? I am speaking for somebody who is already a CI user, OLD and YOUNG. I like for CI user to respond to this post because they are the people who REALLY experience the sounds, not the parent. And I am open to critizism, thats how I learn! Smile.

U have a good point and a valid one that u prefer the CI user gives u the answers not the parents cuz none of us who don't have CIs don't really know.

I know I am not a CI user so it puzzles me when people say they work better on babies but I see many kids who got implanted as babies or toddlers who have no use of their CIs. Oh well..

I know this woman who is a CI user for 5 years and she has great benefits from it enabling her to chat on the phone. She says has had no problem learning to listen with it.

why these things happen. I guess what Cloggy means that implanting babies has a greater chance of them being successful as opposed to adults getting CIs.

 

[neecy]

But you experienced being hearing before you lost hearing to deaf when you were young. It´s not necassary for you to go speech therapy to train speech but just train to hear the sounds. Right?

yes but he didn't say that it was reserved for those born deaf only. He said he didn't believe ANY children or adults with CI would be able to experience easy communication/socialization with hearing people. If he said those born deaf - I'd still disagree with him, because Cloggy's daughter Lotte is a prime example of children who CAN socialize with other people.

 

[neecy]

My friend knows two sisters who both have CIs..can't tell with the younger one that she is deaf. Different story with the older one. Very interesting how that happens. Thank goodness they both know ASL cuz the older one misses out on so much info and relies heavily on ASL.

Just curious..is it your wish to make all deaf people to be like hearing people and don't use sign language anymore or u just want that for your daughter only?

Obviously you've never paid attention to Cloggy's NUMEROUS posts about his CI-implanted daughter WHO USES ASL!!!! Why do you people keep accusing him of not teaching his daughter sign language? The blog he has even has PICTURES of his wife and his daughter sitting down, learning sign together!!! Where are these stupid comments coming from? Cloggy has *ALWAYS,* from the very first I've known him, advocated CI AND SIGN TOGETHER!!!!!

There are SO many posts he's made about his daughter and his experiences with her and how she speaks AND signs - why is it ignored by everybody? This is causing those of us who DO read, to repeat this, over and over again every single time somebody just *ASSUMES* that because his daughter has a CI she doesn't sign?????

 

[shel90]

Obviously you've never paid attention to Cloggy's NUMEROUS posts about his CI-implanted daughter WHO USES ASL!!!! Why do you people keep accusing him of not teaching his daughter sign language? The blog he has even has PICTURES of his wife and his daughter sitting down, learning sign together!!! Where are these stupid comments coming from? Cloggy has *ALWAYS,* from the very first I've known him, advocated CI AND SIGN TOGETHER!!!!!

There are SO many posts he's made about his daughter and his experiences with her and how she speaks AND signs - why is it ignored by everybody? This is causing those of us who DO read, to repeat this, over and over again every single time somebody just *ASSUMES* that because his daughter has a CI she doesn't sign?????

Whoa...someone needs to take a chil pill. I was simply asking him what his wishes are, not accusing him of anything. If he had answered yes, I wasn't planing on bashing him or anything. That was coming from his post about the 14 year old that he witnessed doing well that people couldn't tell she was deaf. I was wondering if that was his wish for all deaf people or just for his daughter.

 

[neecy]

Whoa...someone needs to take a chil pill. I was simply asking him what his wishes are, not accusing him of anything. If he had answered yes, I wasn't planing on bashing him or anything. That was coming from his post about the 14 year old that he witnessed doing well that people couldn't tell she was deaf. I was wondering if that was his wish for all deaf people or just for his daughter.

You said specifically if it was his wish to make deaf people like hearing people and not use sign at all - he's never once said on this forum that he's against sign. That's why I'm bothered - he has to repeat at least once a week that he teaches his daughter sign - but nobody seems to listen because he's STILL asked questions like yours. Why is it nobody seems to hear what he says (no pun intended.)

 

[beetarehoh]

U have a good point and a valid one that u prefer the CI user gives u the answers not the parents cuz none of us who don't have CIs don't really know.

I know I am not a CI user so it puzzles me when people say they work better on babies but I see many kids who got implanted as babies or toddlers who have no use of their CIs. Oh well..

I know this woman who is a CI user for 5 years and she has great benefits from it enabling her to chat on the phone. She says has had no problem learning to listen with it.

why these things happen. I guess what Cloggy means that implanting babies has a greater chance of them being successful as opposed to adults getting CIs.

Shel90,

Just out of curiosity, how old is this woman who used the CI for 5 years? Thanks

beetarehoh

 

[shel90]

Shel90,

Just out of curiosity, how old is this woman who used the CI for 5 years? Thanks

beetarehoh

She is 35 years old.

 

[beetarehoh]

You said specifically if it was his wish to make deaf people like hearing people and not use sign at all - he's never once said on this forum that he's against sign. That's why I'm bothered - he has to repeat at least once a week that he teaches his daughter sign - but nobody seems to listen because he's STILL asked questions like yours. Why is it nobody seems to hear what he says (no pun intended.)

This is interesting, I didnt know that Cloggy's daughter knows sign. I cant READ all the post and probably shel90 couldnt either. But again, I am talking about, who CI users dont know SIGN, can very well communicate in the hearing group. This means that Cloggy's daughter can not be counted to support CI oral only post. Cloggly parents obviously is teaching sign and verbal language, I think that is GREAT!

Let's back up a little, Drew's Dad, are you going to teach your son ASL? If so then your child will have two language development. Then its all good.

beetarehoh

 

[Cloggy]

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Just curious..is it your wish to make all deaf people to be like hearing people and don't use sign language anymore or u just want that for your daughter only?

Wrong insinuation. Two times. And that in one sentence !!!

Is it really a question??

I think sign is a beautiful language. I also think French is a beautiful language. Chinese is intreaging. All these langauges colour the world.

But my daughter has no use for Chinese, nor French. Nor does she have use for sign.

She does have use for Dutch, which she now speaks and Norwegian, which she now speaks. And we still use sign... if needed... like today in the swimming pool. But even there she hardly uses it.
She reads our lips very well, and she speaks clearly without her CI.

 

[Cloggy]

I sure hope I can meet someone like her too! I may be convinced, but not now I am. I like to see how well she does in classrooms and socializing too! Did you study her experience with social? Is she popular? Can she talk fluently with PEERS in social setting? If she can thats wonderful then I ll say nothing.

Also, how can the teacher not realized? Aren't CI users usually sit in front row of the classroom? They usually reserve the spot for CI users. Can anyone here in AD sit anywhere in the classroom and still can hear the teacher? I am curious.

beetarehoh

Do all hearing children do wellin the classroom??
Are all hearing children goood in the classroom and socializing well???
Is popularity a measurement for CI-success??
Can all children talk fluently???
There have to be children in the front row.. most of them are hearing.

Some CI-users have no need to explain that they are deaf and have CI. The can hear fine, the speak fine....
(Ask Neecy...)

 

[Cloggy]

Obviously you've never paid attention to Cloggy's NUMEROUS posts about his CI-implanted daughter WHO USES ASL!!!! Why do you people keep accusing him of not teaching his daughter sign language? The blog he has even has PICTURES of his wife and his daughter sitting down, learning sign together!!! Where are these stupid comments coming from? Cloggy has *ALWAYS,* from the very first I've known him, advocated CI AND SIGN TOGETHER!!!!!

There are SO many posts he's made about his daughter and his experiences with her and how she speaks AND signs - why is it ignored by everybody? This is causing those of us who DO read, to repeat this, over and over again every single time somebody just *ASSUMES* that because his daughter has a CI she doesn't sign?????

Thanks Neecy... you just made me skip my chill-pill.... almost needed it!​

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[beetarehoh]

Do all hearing children do wellin the classroom??
Are all hearing children goood in the classroom and socializing well???
Is popularity a measurement for CI-success??
Can all children talk fluently???
There have to be children in the front row.. most of them are hearing.

Some CI-users have no need to explain that they are deaf and have CI. The can hear fine, the speak fine....
(Ask Neecy...)

How come you are asking me questions about hearing children? This is going off the topic. We are specificly talking about CI users. Not hearing children. And YOU dont need to explain for the CI users. Let them explain to us. This is where people miss the concept, feelings from CI users, not parents without CI user.

This sounds like your daughter is not meeting all of criterias(questions). Are you hiding something? Is your daughter really ok?

beetarehoh

 

[shel90]

Wow...just asking a question and if u don't want to answer it, don't instead of twisting things around and making assumptions about my question. I guess I better stop asking any questions to help me open up my views on this subject. Thanks for the help.