Legal Weed Sales

shel90 said:
People have been drinking booze for several centuries and society is still alive and well. No, society will never be perfect but it is not declining. Just evolving. It will improve in some areas and decline in some areas.

I am more worried about technology impacting society with all the video games out there and kids doing less exercise and reading.
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Video game will bore you out if you play very long time.
 
Foxrac said:
Video game will bore you out if you play very long time.
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Not only video games but having GPS, social networking and all that. I feel that having GPS makes people develop poor map skills. I love GPS but I loved using a paper map to figure out all the routes when taking my road trip across the country back in 99. It is good work for the brain.
 
Reba said:
No refusing--just can't keep up with all the posts.

Do you seriously compare dissident literature in the Soviet Union with pot in the USA? Knowing what people went thru in the Soviet Union, including Christians, I would hardly put their persecutions on the same level as American pot users, and certainly not for the same reasons. People don't get involved with politically contraband literature for a chemical high or buzz. That's a really disingenuous comparison.
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No comparison ever was made nor attempted. It was a question. the point of which was to point out that people disobey unjust laws regardless of the threat and the actual use of force for the enforcement of said laws. you kept demanding to know why people would risk the consequences for pot. i by way of this question wished it to become clear that people also risked dire consequences just for reading what the gov dictated to be illegal. in both cases we have people risking retribution and persecution over disobeying a governments dictates. one against reading a product, another against consuming a product. you wanted to know why people do that? its a good question but not the precise one thats needed to address prohibition and its ramifications.

Reba said:
I'm not asking for motives. I'm asking what happens when you smoke a joint that makes it desirable to do. It almost seems like either no one knows how they feel when they use pot or can't share that feeling.
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Every body experiences things differently as has been pointed out a few times. but if you really want to dive deep down that rabbit go here, if you cant understand the specialized lingo, study.

Journal of Psychopharmacology

see that question of yours you keep asking is one of pharmacology. you will have better luck seeking the experts then any of us on here. considering all anyone here can do is say "for me it makes me horny", "no no for me it makes think", "oh well for me it does little', to "for me it helps me sleep" to "for me it makes me paranoid" to "for me it helps me get close to people" and on and on and on...
you want precession. i pointed a way that may help. your not the only one who wishes to know that mind haunting dilemma. give yourself a few years of solid study and see where the rabbit hole leads. or was your question just for rhetorical effect?

Reba said:
If there's no chemically induced good feeling from weed, then what's the point of using it? Simply a political statement?
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no one has argued weed doesn't induce a chemical response which many experience as a 'good" feeling. all we are arguing is that experience is itself an individual affair that will differ. as does booze, as does any drug. u know thats why scripts have warning and those tv commercials have warning regarding different peoples responses to the same drug hell, this isn't rocket science. people react differently to the same drug



Reba said:
So, pot does effect people in a biochemical way. People seek out that effect in a voluntary way.
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its drug it has no choice but to effect people in a biochemical way. people sue it for different reasons define voluntary? free will is socially condition mostly anyway. so we can argue for ever about how many choices people have on a pin head or come to grips with what this has been about.
prohibition.

Reba said:
If people want to use it legally in Colorado that's their choice. I choose not to celebrate that because it's another proof of the decline of our society. I don't celebrate decline. It's too bad that it's happening but it's inevitable.
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why is the ending of prohibition a decline? you need to demonstrate and articulate your reasoning for me here. i'm not asking for an emotional response. im asking for you to simply demonstrate why the ceasing of prohibition and all that entails is a decline rather then a progression. answer this. has prohibition been a success for society?
 
hoichi said:
No one has denied the above



No one here has argued people should use pot during work hours. the above is a red hearing.



ive noticed you refuse to answer my question regarding the illegal reading, production and distribution of samizdat literature in the soviet union. why would people risk life and limb to read?
why? those words must of offered something to make the risk worthwhile? im not sure if your just a bit dense in getting the jist or are purposely refusing to see that your knowing asking a question that cannot by its nature be answered. your asking one question for the motives of millions of different people. can you not see that as a shallow attempt to not look at the issue for what it is. the issue of prohibition is not an issue of what drives the psychological make up of a human being and his choices. having said that. even if i was the richest asshole in the world reba. and i knew the answer you keep demanding. what makes every one who has ever risked a joint tick. so what?
how would that answer have any relevance to prohibition



so what? what people do with their loot is their business not mine not yours.




Do i know how pot effects people. sure. it effects different people with different biochemistries and metabolisms in different ways, depending on dose, tolerance and individual history. Now reba your finally getting a grip of the issue.
i use pot because i see dead people, you don't? (scratches head)
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I would love to be able to see my mother again , that would be cool if smoking pot really did that. That last time I smoked pot was when I had a headache from flying from Boston to Oklahoma and I could not sleep. I have head trauma and will get painful headaches, nothing will help it and I had a joint and man I slept like a baby that night . It was one of the best sleep I had in a long time. Pot helps me to relax, I am speaking only for myself and NO ONE else right now. And I see nothing wrong with smoking pot to sleep better , some people taking sleeping pills and they can be very dangerous. People have car accidents from being so drugged up the next day. I had no side effects the next day , I felt great.
 
Reba said:
If you're referring to my posts you'll notice I never said that it risks "everyone's" jobs.

Not everyone's job search is planned a month in advance or is accomplished in just one month.

Random drug testing is just that--it's unannounced and can be done at any time. Also, anyone working in DOT or FAA jobs will be tested if they are involved in any accidents or incidents. Workers in certain industries are continually tested, and have been fired for one positive test.

Maybe some people don't mind pot smoking by their surgeons, police, firefighters, pilots, bus drivers, military, train operators, government leaders, crane operators, etc., but some people do.

For those who are at occupational risk they can decide whether or not to take the risk. Pot must offer something that makes the risk worthwhile.


Spending a couple dollars a week might not break the bank but for someone who is already financially struggling that expenditure certainly wouldn't help someone get out of the hole. Of course, someone with hungry kids at home wouldn't blow money on pot instead of food.

I never said one had to go to a ghetto to find pot (that would be racially stereotyping). I certainly don't believe pot use is confined to any one community.


So you don't know how pot affects people? OK, I'll change the question. Why do you use pot?
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I don't, I've stated SEVERAL times on here that I used to, like almost 20 years ago. I don't any more. I don't really have time to read all that, I'm on my way out to eat, maybe I'll read it later, maybe I won't. I'm pretty much done with your narrow minded generalities and preconceived notions. The only person on here that seems to agree with you is Crazy Paul. That's saying something. Me? I'm getting off this Merry go round, you dint understand it and never will. Done wasting my time.
 
The word abuse has been horribly abused. I think we need to do something about it. When someone does something that is use. When someone overdoes something that is abuse.

Now who gets to decide what is use and what is abuse? I am starting to get the drift here that to Reba all use is abuse unless she approves of it.
While this brings a smile to my face it brings another word into play. That is misuse.

I will address Reba's question though about what do people get out of it.
My experience was as an adult and in chemotherapy so my use was based on medical use of an illegal at the time substance. The chemotherapy drugs I was on were kicking the crap out of me. The usual things hair loss, nausea, no immune system, on top of being sick with the cancer and the concerns of putting together a doable life while going through all of that. Me being me that included how to have girlfriends while being clobbered from every direction. It turned out that was the easiest part... smiles..

There are different kinds of marijuana. I was not into the science of it I just wanted to feel better. Everybody has different ideas of what feeling better is. I tried some that while I felt better I was too laid back with bloodshot eyes and only enough energy to breathe and eat. I said whoa I cannot have this. And then I learned that if it is fresh of a different kind the nausea was gone except for the worst time during the nadir when the chemo drugs are having their fullest effect.
Not only was the nausea gone I was active and happy without the ordinary resistance I would feel towards say going ice skating at below zero temperatures in the wind and dark alone on a windswept frozen pond under the northern lights at midnight while in chemotherapy. That was the cannabis for me. I will tell you straight up Reba I liked that. I went from being miserable to having a life with a puff on a pipe. Maybe I was being bad. I didn't think so then and now 20 years later I still don't think so.
 
Okay got a little more time we reserved seats but have to wait. Goodonya and hoichi made excellent points. The only thing I'm going to add is society used weed for thousands of years, it's only been illegal here in the states for 80. Did society improve so much in the last 80 years BECAUSE it was illegal?
 
ambrosia said:
Okay got a little more time we reserved seats but have to wait. Goodonya and hoichi made excellent points. The only thing I'm going to add is society used weed for thousands of years, it's only been illegal here in the states for 80. Did society improve so much in the last 80 years BECAUSE it was illegal?
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I know the answer to that one myself ... nope it didn't improve it worsened majorly :D
 
Reba said:
No refusing--just can't keep up with all the posts.

Do you seriously compare dissident literature in the Soviet Union with pot in the USA? Knowing what people went thru in the Soviet Union, including Christians, I would hardly put their persecutions on the same level as American pot users, and certainly not for the same reasons. People don't get involved with politically contraband literature for a chemical high or buzz. That's a really disingenuous comparison.


I'm not asking for motives. I'm asking what happens when you smoke a joint that makes it desirable to do. It almost seems like either no one knows how they feel when they use pot or can't share that feeling.

If there's no chemically induced good feeling from weed, then what's the point of using it? Simply a political statement?


It shows the direction in which society is heading.


It goes to showing that there must be some strong reason for their action.


So, pot does effect people in a biochemical way. People seek out that effect in a voluntary way.

Some people seek chemicals to effect their brains, and some don't. Some see that as a negative act, some don't.

If people want to use it legally in Colorado that's their choice. I choose not to celebrate that because it's another proof of the decline of our society. I don't celebrate decline. It's too bad that it's happening but it's inevitable.
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The only thing that is bad about this it the government is taking control of sale of weeds and I really hate to see this happen as they can now know who smoke pot and I can't help but feel this a Big Brother is watching you .
I would not buy pot from a store , I would want to grow it myself . You have no idea what been done to weeds in the store .
 
Never forget....a co-worker smoked weed with a "new" guy at work...she winded up in the hospital. To find out he grew it himself and added "embalming fluid" to it.....She had no clue what he might have done to her....:shock:
 
Right. Embalming fluid. strange, as in another thread i'm talking about a human skull..............(shakes head)_
 
hoichi said:
then what gives,,,,,arguing for arguing sake.
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Reba's argument is different from mine. I love pot and am glad that it becomes legal in Colorado (hopefully in Calif someday soon).

My argument is about two different things. One is addiction and another is effect.

First argument:

If you smoke cigarettes or drink heavily or smoke pot all day, aren't you addicted to it? It doesn't mean you are bad. It just means that your body depends on any of those. I admit that I am one of them, however I haven't smoked pot for a long time since I can't find pot I want to buy. Therefore I am addicted to cigarettes and alcohol. Currently I am trying my best to cut them down due to high blood pressure. The first time I took medicine for HLP was two days ago but I got sick (side effect - severe stomach pain/ persistent vomiting).

Second argument:

If you smoke pot, do you feel relaxed or mellow? Does pot make another person feel the same way? Someone said that pot makes people relax so I pointed out that it's not true. Some people can't shut up. Some people are workaholic or very active. Some people can't stop laughing. Some people are sleepy. Some people get crazier.

Lastly, I don't care why people buy pot. I am just glad that pot is legal for recreational use in one state so far.
 
Who here is arguing otherwise? Most people who use pot do not fit in your category. besides the above isn't an argument its a question to illustrate something
big difference

Second argument:
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If you smoke pot, do you feel relaxed or mellow? Does pot make another person feel the same way? Someone said that pot makes people relax so I pointed out that it's not true. Some people can't shut up. Some people are workaholic or very active. Some people can't stop laughing. Some people are sleepy. Some people get crazier.

Lastly, I don't care why people buy pot. I am just glad that pot is legal for recreational use in one state so far.[/QUOTE]

again thats not an argument. no one here has claimed every single human being who ha sever used pot or does gets relaxed. you pointing to a cannibal doesn't do nothing for you here.
 
CrazyPaul said:
It's possible that other states will follow once they find out about how much Colorado will get from sales tax. $$$$$$
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It ain't fair I tell ya. It ain't fair. Two ministers have referred to as Asheville as Sin City and the Cesspool of the south. We moved here for many reasons including the fact that they were progressive. We're day dreaming for now about moving. It's just getting ridiculous. I don't care about the confederate flags. I care about the massive control by the Koch brothers and company of NC.

Money or not, they will turn a blind eye and ear to all the money they can potentially make (we don't know the reality yet) to tax money.
 
rockin'robin said:
Never forget....a co-worker smoked weed with a "new" guy at work...she winded up in the hospital. To find out he grew it himself and added "embalming fluid" to it.....She had no clue what he might have done to her....:shock:
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Rockin', anything can be added to anything drug or not drug. I think I was @20 years old and went to a New Year's Eve party in the Empire State Building. They passed something around. I took one hit. Some time later, I heard my boyfriend saying, "Earth to Sheri." It had been laced with what, I'll never know. But, the good news is that was 40 years ago :) . The medical stuff has less THC in it (what else?) and does not give you the uhhhh... pinchy somewhat lethal high. Bottom line is you never really know what you're getting unless you get it from a medical (a legal one) dealer.

Booze compared to weed - I trust myself on weed more. I'm more conscious and more in control to not make stupid decisions. I'm not addicted to either :) I'm just old and seasoned enough to know the difference. Then if you look at all the garbage in tobacco, there is no comparison, tobacco loses.
 
hoichi said:
Who here is arguing otherwise? Most people who use pot do not fit in your category. besides the above isn't an argument its a question to illustrate something
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again thats not an argument. no one here has claimed every single human being who ha sever used pot or does gets relaxed. you pointing to a cannibal doesn't do nothing for you here.
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Ambrosia said that I am the only one who seems to agree with Reba. WTF was she talking about? I didn't make an argument with Reba so does that mean I agree with her? *scratch my head*
 
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