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[diehardbiker]

You know, stereotyping is bad for society, right? Why are you stereotyping potheads? You may not realize bunch of your friend have smoked pot while you are not aware of it. Even your co worker, you never know!

Its best not to stereotyping anyone.

No, I am being serious.

My answer is addiction. Yours is poor money management skills, right?

Example; a person who is a pothead living on SSI spend money on pot. It's an addiction. Same with gamblers and heavy drinkers.

A person who is not a pothead and living on SSI spend money on nice shoes or jewelry once or twice, even though money is needed for food or rent. It's not an addiction. It's poor money management skills.

 

[diehardbiker]

Like what Frisky Feline just said, where do you get that information? Are you smoking up the idea what SS would do, eh? Have they asked you for your piss to see if your using weeds? Better separate fact from myth.

It applies only on welfare, and the success rate is slim, FYI.

Warning: If SS knows that you are drug addict so you can be disqualify from receive SSI or SSDI.

It will be worse if you get in trouble with federal government.

 

[Foxrac]

where did you get the information??

all i know is that we no longer provides SS benefits to those drug addict people who needs help to apply for SS. No more.

SSA dont ask cliamants for taking a drug tests. no way. If they break the law then they do lose SS benefits when they are in jail. Once they get out of jail then benefit will start to pay again.

When Using Drugs or Alcohol Can Keep You From Getting Disability Benefits | Nolo.com

I believe that congress wants to change the law that require drug testing for clients who receive SSI, but it hasn't passed yet.

 

[Frisky Feline]

When Using Drugs or Alcohol Can Keep You From Getting Disability Benefits | Nolo.com

I believe that congress wants to change the law that require drug testing for clients who receive SSI, but it hasn't passed yet.

Right. it has not passed yet. I dont like the idea because government is totally broke why bother to buy the drug tests. thats unnecessary.

 

[diehardbiker]

Looks like your getting wrong idea. SS sometimes consider addiction as a disability (Depending on case), and that the addiction is not kinda of permanent disability because one can be recover from addiction. Why would one get SSI benefit for rest of life and not recovering from it? That is not right, and I side that part and I think those who get disability check due to addiction need to take drug test to be able get benefit while recovery process takes place.

Its like, OK one gets benefit because of addiction, why would that one continue getting benefit and continue abuse it?

If you are Deaf, then it has nothing to do with drug issue. You already have permanent disability and can not recover from it.

When Using Drugs or Alcohol Can Keep You From Getting Disability Benefits | Nolo.com

I believe that congress wants to change the law that require drug testing for clients who receive SSI, but it hasn't passed yet.

 

[Reba]

Why are you so convinced that it risks everyone's jobs? Not ALL jobs do random drug testing. Generally people know when they're going to looking for a new job. They just stop smoking for a month before they're likely to do drug tests. People can do that, not smoke fir a month, it's not this all consuming need.

If you're referring to my posts you'll notice I never said that it risks "everyone's" jobs.

Not everyone's job search is planned a month in advance or is accomplished in just one month.

Random drug testing is just that--it's unannounced and can be done at any time. Also, anyone working in DOT or FAA jobs will be tested if they are involved in any accidents or incidents. Workers in certain industries are continually tested, and have been fired for one positive test.

Maybe some people don't mind pot smoking by their surgeons, police, firefighters, pilots, bus drivers, military, train operators, government leaders, crane operators, etc., but some people do.

For those who are at occupational risk they can decide whether or not to take the risk. Pot must offer something that makes the risk worthwhile.

Weed is pretty cheap, and can last someone for awhile, it's not the resource eater you think it is. Plus it's abundant and not hard to find, you don't have to go to the ghetto to find it.

Spending a couple dollars a week might not break the bank but for someone who is already financially struggling that expenditure certainly wouldn't help someone get out of the hole. Of course, someone with hungry kids at home wouldn't blow money on pot instead of food.

I never said one had to go to a ghetto to find pot (that would be racially stereotyping). I certainly don't believe pot use is confined to any one community.

Besides, stop asking me, I don't know why people do all the things they do, but for the most your exaggerating the costs and risks associated with it.

So you don't know how pot affects people? OK, I'll change the question. Why do you use pot?

 

[Foxrac]

Looks like your getting wrong idea. SS sometimes consider addiction as a disability, and that the addiction is not kinda of permanent disability because one can be recover from addiction. Why would one get SSI benefit for rest of life and not recovering from it? That is not right, and I side that part and I think those who get disability check due to addiction need to take drug test to be able get benefit while recovery process takes place.

Its like, OK one gets benefit because of addiction, why would that one continue getting benefit and continue abuse it?

If you are Deaf, then it has nothing to do with drug issue. You already have permanent disability and can not recover from it.

How I getting wrong idea?

It wasn't my idea to have mandatory drug testing for all SS recipients, but many politicians, especially republicans want this proposal. It will have good chance to pass if there is republicans controlled in the house and senate (with nuclear option) and the president.

Now, it is not possible with Obama.

 

[diehardbiker]

Read again please! The idea of drug test on SPECIFIC group of people who apply for SS benefit, it does not apply every SS applicants.

If you are Deaf, you are NOT part of that group EVEN if you are using em.

How I getting wrong idea?

It wasn't my idea to have mandatory drug testing for all SS recipients, but many politicians, especially republicans want this proposal. It will have good chance to pass if there is republicans controlled in the house and senate (with nuclear option) and the president.

Now, it is not possible with Obama.

 

[Foxrac]

Read again please! The idea of drug test on SPECIFIC group of people who apply for SS benefit, it does not apply every SS applicants.

If you are Deaf, you are NOT part of that group EVEN if you are using em.

There is no drug testing existed for SS recipients yet, but politicians want change this law.

Politician's conception to drug testing to ensure that you are not misuse the money on drugs.

It looks like proposal only applies to TANF.
Welfare Drug Testing Bill Introduced In Congress

 

[diehardbiker]

You are confused yourself. I read it, they are making law ONLY for people who applied SS because they were addict to whatever, NOTHING to do with the rest of disabilities. Drug testing LIMITED for those who are on SS benefit based on their addiction NOT other kind of disability.

Deaf, Blind, Retarded, lost limbs, can't walk and so on are not part of this law and is not applicable.

There is no drug testing existed for SS recipients yet, but politicians want change this law.

Politician's conception to drug testing to ensure that you are not misuse the money on drugs.

It looks like proposal only applies to TANF.
Welfare Drug Testing Bill Introduced In Congress

 

[diehardbiker]

You are confused yourself. I read it, they are making law ONLY for people who applied SS because they were addict to whatever, NOTHING to do with the rest of disabilities. Drug testing LIMITED for those who are on SS benefit based on their addiction NOT other kind of disability.

Deaf, Blind, Retarded, lost limbs, can't walk and so on are not part of this law and is not applicable.

In other word, if you are hearing and don't have any disability other than alcoholic. You got drinking problem, nothing else... You COULD qualify for SS benefit because you are an Alcoholic, would it be right if SS continue giving you money and you continue to drink? I would disagree that you get benefit because it is not fair that you take advantage of the system and continue to abuse.

On other hand

If you are Deaf, and you have drinking problem, SS will not look at drinking problem because it is not your primary disability. Your primary disability already too over alcohol problem so therefore SS won't ask you to do test to prove you are not on chemical of whatever. You will be left alone and still get benefit.

Two separate scenarios.

There is no drug testing existed for SS recipients yet, but politicians want change this law.

Politician's conception to drug testing to ensure that you are not misuse the money on drugs.

It looks like proposal only applies to TANF.
Welfare Drug Testing Bill Introduced In Congress

 

[hoichi]

If you're referring to my posts you'll notice I never
Random drug testing is just that--it's unannounced and can be done at any time. Also, anyone working in DOT or FAA jobs will be tested if they are involved in any accidents or incidents. Workers in certain industries are continually tested, and have been fired for one positive test.

No one has denied the above

Maybe some people don't mind pot smoking by their surgeons, police, firefighters, pilots, bus drivers, military, train operators, government leaders, crane operators, etc., but some people do.

No one here has argued people should use pot during work hours. the above is a red hearing.

Pot must offer something that makes the risk worthwhile.

ive noticed you refuse to answer my question regarding the illegal reading, production and distribution of samizdat literature in the soviet union. why would people risk life and limb to read?
why? those words must of offered something to make the risk worthwhile? im not sure if your just a bit dense in getting the jist or are purposely refusing to see that your knowing asking a question that cannot by its nature be answered. your asking one question for the motives of millions of different people. can you not see that as a shallow attempt to not look at the issue for what it is. the issue of prohibition is not an issue of what drives the psychological make up of a human being and his choices. having said that. even if i was the richest asshole in the world reba. and i knew the answer you keep demanding. what makes every one who has ever risked a joint tick. so what?
how would that answer have any relevance to prohibition

Spending a couple dollars a week might not break the bank but for someone who is already financially struggling that expenditure certainly wouldn't help someone get out of the hole. Of course, someone with hungry kids at home wouldn't blow money on pot instead of food..

so what? what people do with their loot is their business not mine not yours.

So you don't know how pot affects people? OK, I'll change the question. Why do you use pot?

Do i know how pot effects people. sure. it effects different people with different biochemistries and metabolisms in different ways, depending on dose, tolerance and individual history. Now reba your finally getting a grip of the issue.
i use pot because i see dead people, you don't? (scratches head)

 

[Foxrac]

You are confused yourself. I read it, they are making law ONLY for people who applied SS because they were addict to whatever, NOTHING to do with the rest of disabilities. Drug testing LIMITED for those who are on SS benefit based on their addiction NOT other kind of disability.

Deaf, Blind, Retarded, lost limbs, can't walk and so on are not part of this law and is not applicable.

Did you READ whole article that I posted?

The last politician's proposed bill was only for TANF, so none of proposed bill stated SS.

WASHINGTON -- To fight the specter of poor people spending taxpayer money on drugs, a Republican congressman has reintroduced legislation to make welfare applicants pee in cups to prove they're clean.

Rep. Stephen Fincher's (R-Tenn.) bill would require states to randomly test 20 percent of people receiving benefits from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, which spends roughly $16 billion per year supporting poverty-stricken parents with monthly checks averaging $392.

"Currently the federal government enables drug abusers a safety-net by allowing them to participate in the TANF program," Fincher said in a statement. "Instead of having to make the hard-choice between drugs and other essential needs, abusers are able to rely on their monthly check to help them pay their bills."

In Congress and in state legislatures across the country, Republicans have sought to implement welfare drug testing programs in recent years. Few measures have become law, as testing can be expensive and there's not much data reflecting a widespread drug problem among welfare recipients. Civil liberties advocates successfully sued to halt the most sweeping drug screening law, implemented in Florida in 2011.

Fincher introduced his legislation just days after a federal appeals court rebuffed Florida's attempt to fight the lawsuit. A panel of judges for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit agreed last week with a lower court that Florida's testing likely violated the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches.

In an attempt to alleviate constitutional concerns, Fincher's bill would require people seeking aid to sign "a waiver of constitutional rights with respect to testing," according to the text of the measure. Last week's ruling in the Florida case said the Supreme Court "has invalidated searches premised on consent where it has been shown that consent 'was granted in submission to authority rather than as an understanding and intentional waiver of a constitutional right.'"

The appeals court also noted that Florida had failed to demonstrate the existence of a drug problem among people receiving benefits. "The State has presented no evidence that simply because an applicant for TANF benefits is having financial problems, he is also drug addicted or prone to fraudulent and neglectful behavior," the judges wrote.

Fincher's legislation faces slim chances of becoming law. When he offered a similar bill in 2011, it garned just seven cosponsors and failed to clear a committee.

Welfare Drug Testing Bill Introduced In Congress

Same link that I posted above.

None of article stated SS, however it could be possible if there is majority republicans in the house and the senate (with nuclear option), and republican president. That was my concept statement based on their anti-drug views.

 

[Foxrac]

On other hand

If you are Deaf, and you have drinking problem, SS will not look at drinking problem because it is not your primary disability. Your primary disability already too over alcohol problem so therefore SS won't ask you to do test to prove you are not on chemical of whatever. You will be left alone and still get benefit.

Two separate scenarios.

I perfectly understand about you mean.

but, the disability determination could deny the SSDI and state that deafness is caused by drugs, that is just their excuse to deny you, however you can fight in the court and getting judge to force SS to approve SSDI.

It is known that SS play game with you.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

If you're referring to my posts you'll notice I never said that it risks "everyone's" jobs.

Not everyone's job search is planned a month in advance or is accomplished in just one month.

Random drug testing is just that--it's unannounced and can be done at any time. Also, anyone working in DOT or FAA jobs will be tested if they are involved in any accidents or incidents. Workers in certain industries are continually tested, and have been fired for one positive test.

Maybe some people don't mind pot smoking by their surgeons, police, firefighters, pilots, bus drivers, military, train operators, government leaders, crane operators, etc., but some people do.

For those who are at occupational risk they can decide whether or not to take the risk. Pot must offer something that makes the risk worthwhile.


Spending a couple dollars a week might not break the bank but for someone who is already financially struggling that expenditure certainly wouldn't help someone get out of the hole. Of course, someone with hungry kids at home wouldn't blow money on pot instead of food.

I never said one had to go to a ghetto to find pot (that would be racially stereotyping). I certainly don't believe pot use is confined to any one community.


So you don't know how pot affects people? OK, I'll change the question. Why do you use pot?

Do you really think doctors do not drink or abused pills? I have not heard on the news of a pilots being caught stoned , I have heard of people smelling booze on the pilot. I really do not care what a person smoke or drink in their free time as long as they can still do their job . That is insane to think anyone would not care if a DR is stoned while doing surgery on them or treating them .

 

[goodonya]

Hiya Reba! I see your point of view well enough.

There is in all of us a thing that is kind of unique. We want to do what we like. We want to do it without interference and whenever we want to. As a parent and fellow human you know all about this.

It comes down to that. A lot of people like cannabis. They like it a lot. There are a lot who don't. They like other things. The ones who like pot are not telling the ones who like alcohol no! you cannot have it! That would be absurd. People really like alcohol.

You do not want a drunk flying your plane either. Yet we allow people to drink.
And you bet there are a lot of people who would buy that six pack of beer along with the food with their last hundred bucks. Why? Because they like it. They want to and it is their one hundred bucks.

It is one of those Freedom things.

 

[Reba]

...ive noticed you refuse to answer my question regarding the illegal reading, production and distribution of samizdat literature in the soviet union. why would people risk life and limb to read?
why? those words must of offered something to make the risk worthwhile?

No refusing--just can't keep up with all the posts.

Do you seriously compare dissident literature in the Soviet Union with pot in the USA? Knowing what people went thru in the Soviet Union, including Christians, I would hardly put their persecutions on the same level as American pot users, and certainly not for the same reasons. People don't get involved with politically contraband literature for a chemical high or buzz. That's a really disingenuous comparison.

im not sure if your just a bit dense in getting the jist or are purposely refusing to see that your knowing asking a question that cannot by its nature be answered. your asking one question for the motives of millions of different people. can you not see that as a shallow attempt to not look at the issue for what it is. the issue of prohibition is not an issue of what drives the psychological make up of a human being and his choices. having said that. even if i was the richest asshole in the world reba. and i knew the answer you keep demanding. what makes every one who has ever risked a joint tick. so what?

I'm not asking for motives. I'm asking what happens when you smoke a joint that makes it desirable to do. It almost seems like either no one knows how they feel when they use pot or can't share that feeling.

If there's no chemically induced good feeling from weed, then what's the point of using it? Simply a political statement?

how would that answer have any relevance to prohibition

It shows the direction in which society is heading.

so what? what people do with their loot is their business not mine not yours.

It goes to showing that there must be some strong reason for their action.

Do i know how pot effects people. sure. it effects different people with different biochemistries and metabolisms in different ways, depending on dose, tolerance and individual history. Now reba your finally getting a grip of the issue.
i use pot because i see dead people, you don't? (scratches head)

So, pot does effect people in a biochemical way. People seek out that effect in a voluntary way.

Some people seek chemicals to effect their brains, and some don't. Some see that as a negative act, some don't.

If people want to use it legally in Colorado that's their choice. I choose not to celebrate that because it's another proof of the decline of our society. I don't celebrate decline. It's too bad that it's happening but it's inevitable.

 

[Reba]

Do you really think doctors do not drink or abused pills? I have not heard on the news of a pilots being caught stoned , I have heard of people smelling booze on the pilot. I really do not care what a person smoke or drink in their free time as long as they can still do their job . That is insane to think anyone would not care if a DR is stoned while doing surgery on them or treating them.

I never said that they don't. I do say that I don't want them doing that around me or my loved ones. I want them sober and alert when they're on duty.

 

[Reba]

Hiya Reba! I see your point of view well enough.

There is in all of us a thing that is kind of unique. We want to do what we like. We want to do it without interference and whenever we want to. As a parent and fellow human you know all about this.

It comes down to that. A lot of people like cannabis. They like it a lot. There are a lot who don't. They like other things. The ones who like pot are not telling the ones who like alcohol no! you cannot have it! That would be absurd. People really like alcohol.

You do not want a drunk flying your plane either. Yet we allow people to drink.
And you bet there are a lot of people who would buy that six pack of beer along with the food with their last hundred bucks. Why? Because they like it. They want to and it is their one hundred bucks.

It is one of those Freedom things.

I don't celebrate people drinking alcohol either, so I'm consistent.

Just because behaviors are legal doesn't they're good. You notice I don't say put people in jail for being high or drunk unless their behavior endangers others.

However, don't expect me to be happy about society going deeper into the dumper.

I too, have freedom to express my viewpoint. My viewpoint is that drug abuse (including alcohol) is a sign of a declining society, and the more society accepts it, the quicker it will happen.

 

[shel90]

I don't celebrate people drinking alcohol either, so I'm consistent.

Just because behaviors are legal doesn't they're good. You notice I don't say put people in jail for being high or drunk unless their behavior endangers others.

However, don't expect me to be happy about society going deeper into the dumper.

I too, have freedom to express my viewpoint. My viewpoint is that drug abuse (including alcohol) is a sign of a declining society, and the more society accepts it, the quicker it will happen.

People have been drinking booze for several centuries and society is still alive and well. No, society will never be perfect but it is not declining. Just evolving. It will improve in some areas and decline in some areas.

I am more worried about technology impacting society with all the video games out there and kids doing less exercise and reading.