Language Skills of Children with Early Cochlear Implantation.

deafdyke said:
Well yeah a kid with a more hoh loss, doesn't need Sign the way a deafer kid needs it, but on the other hand its still a VERY useful language to have. especially since hoh kids more often then not get lumped in and pushed towards the hearing world. Plus with Sign, a hoh kid can function both WITH and without their hearing aids. In today's world where hearing aids aren't generally covered by health insurance, its almost VITAL for a hoh kid to learn to function without their hearing aids.
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I don't discount that sign doesn't have any usefulness, even for a HOHer but was rather saying that for a HOHer the ease of getting early language in an oral form is much greater than for a profoundly deaf child.

So in the US even babies don't get their hearing aids paid for by insurance or medicare? That's disgraceful.
 
jillio said:
You can only restrict her for so long.
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You are truly one of the most pathetic people around.

That comment alone re-affirms why we would never expose our children to people like you. You are the complete antithesis of the many caring and giving people we have met in the deaf community.
 
jillio said:
I doubt seriously that you will ever have to worry about that, as you have no exposure to the Deaf community. And once your daughter is an adult, there is a better than average chance that she will marry another deaf individual and choose to affiliate with the deaf community on some level. That is no longer your choice for her. You can only restrict her for so long.
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So that's how you view upon deaf children that do not know ASl... they are restricted !!!
I might not agree with your tunnel-vision, but that the tunnel was that narrow - I never expected.

You just insulted all parents of all deaf members on AllDeaf that do not know sign-language... they restricted their children...

Apology not accepted....
 
Growing up, I always felt restricticted but without knowing nor understanding why. My life centered around trying to catch what everyone was saying and making sure my speech skills were clear. When I entered adulthood, the restrictive feeling was practically consuming me and yet, I still couldn't recognize it. All I knew that I was missing out on a lot and couldn't express myself freely because hearing people wouldn't let me finish whatever I had to say cuz they would overhear what others said and jump into those conversations while I was in the middle of saying whatever it was I had to say. Because of my inablilty to keep up with other conversations, I had no idea that they were going on so imagine trying to say something to people only to have them turn around to start yapping away with others confusing u more. When I wud express my feelings about that, I was brushed off as being overly dramatic so I always felt restricted in so many situations especially at school not being able to folow the classroom discussions or lectures.

Parents, if u take offense to that word restrictive, oh well. Many deaf people I know feel offended that they grew up being restricted to the oral only method so sometimes it is not about u and your needs all the time. Children have needs too.
 
rick48 said:
I agree with you about that!
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Which just goes to show where your concern lies. You have no interest in engaging in a reasonable discussionto learn anything....your whole focus is on proving someone else wrong simply because you have decided that you don't like that person. Childish and immature, not to mention vindictive. Typical of an oral only parent. Insecure in your methodology, so you feel you have to jsutify it at every turn, and when you can't do it through fact, you try to do so through intimidation. You would be much better off if you spent your time attempting to actually undertand the issues of a deaf child, so that you would be able to do something to change the situation, than spending all of your time justifying your decision to implant your child.
 
rick48 said:
You are truly one of the most pathetic people around.

That comment alone re-affirms why we would never expose our children to people like you. You are the complete antithesis of the many caring and giving people we have met in the deaf community.
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You don't have to expose her, rick. She will do as other deaf children of oral parents have done, and find the deaf community on her own. Youhaven't met the deaf community, yet. Remeber, you attend only oral deaf functions, which are, in essence, representative of the hearing community, not the deaf community.

And as you have admitted that their are negative consequences to any choice, why is it that you so sobject tothe staement that there are commuication restrictions to the oral method? Once again, full of contradictions.

Do I detect a bit of fear there,rick. Does it threaten you that so many deaf children raised in a hearing, oral environment affilliate withthe deaf community as adults? Does the possibility of that situation occurring with your daughter scare you? If you had taken the time to learn sign, you could particiapte with her, and it wouldn't be such a threat to you. You could actually share her deafness with her.
 
Cloggy said:
So that's how you view upon deaf children that do not know ASl... they are restricted !!!
I might not agree with your tunnel-vision, but that the tunnel was that narrow - I never expected.

You just insulted all parents of all deaf members on AllDeaf that do not know sign-language... they restricted their children...

Apology not accepted....
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Well, that's good, because I have said nothing to apologize for. Yes, a deaf child not being exposed to sign is restricted to communication in an oral only mode, and that restricts their ability to comprehend and communicate, as well as to participate fully in a communcity of their peers, and in an academic setting. They restrict their communication with their own child in the home environment.

And it isn't just me saying it, cloggy. It's educators, it's researchers, it's psychologists, it's sociologists, and most of all, it's the adult adoloscent and adult children of these parents. For God's sake, pay attention to what these deaf people are telling you.
 
shel90 said:
Growing up, I always felt restricticted but without knowing nor understanding why. My life centered around trying to catch what everyone was saying and making sure my speech skills were clear. When I entered adulthood, the restrictive feeling was practically consuming me and yet, I still couldn't recognize it. All I knew that I was missing out on a lot and couldn't express myself freely because hearing people wouldn't let me finish whatever I had to say cuz they would overhear what others said and jump into those conversations while I was in the middle of saying whatever it was I had to say. Because of my inablilty to keep up with other conversations, I had no idea that they were going on so imagine trying to say something to people only to have them turn around to start yapping away with others confusing u more. When I wud express my feelings about that, I was brushed off as being overly dramatic so I always felt restricted in so many situations especially at school not being able to folow the classroom discussions or lectures.

And if these people who take insult were a bit more concerned about what their child needs from them, than what they need from their child, they would be grateful for the knowledge. But they can't get past the fact that it is their need for their child to communicate orally that is being addressed, not the child's need for full access to language, school, and family life.
Parents, if u take offense to that word restrictive, oh well. Many deaf people I know feel offended that they grew up being restricted to the oral only method so sometimes it is not about u and your needs all the time. Children [B]have needs too.
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Obviously, children's needs are not the priorty.[/B]
 
jillio said:
...........And it isn't just me saying it, cloggy. It's educators, it's researchers, it's psychologists, it's sociologists, and most of all, it's the adult adoloscent and adult children of these parents. For God's sake, pay attention to what these deaf people are telling you.
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It's SOME educators, it's SOME researchers, it's SOME psychologists, it's SOME sociologists, and most of all, it's the SOME adult adoloscent and SOME adult children of these parents. For God's sake, pay attention to what these deaf people are telling you.[/QUOTE]

I have.... have you?
 
Cloggy said:
It's SOME educators, it's SOME researchers, it's SOME psychologists, it's SOME sociologists, and most of all, it's the SOME adult adoloscent and SOME adult children of these parents. For God's sake, pay attention to what these deaf people are telling you.
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I have.... have you?[/QUOTE]

Yes, cloggy, I have. Obviously, you haven't. Or, if you have paid attention, you have simply discounted it because it disputed your narrow bigoted viewpoint. Or because they were, god forbid, deaf. Of course, as a deaf person, they could not possibly know more about living with deafness than, your, a hearing person could know, now could they? Nor could the psychologists, the educators,the sociologists. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Must be a very happy existence for you cloggy. Truly, opening your mind toother possibilites really isn't painful. You should try it sometime.
 
jillio said:
I have.... have you?
........ Truly, opening your mind toother possibilites really isn't painful. You should try it sometime.
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.... toother .... toot her? .... to other? .... tooth er? .... :cool:

Auch!!!
Nah, just kidding... you're right - it didn't hurt..
 
Cloggy said:
.... toother .... toot her? .... to other? .... tooth er? .... :cool:

Auch!!!
Nah, just kidding... you're right - it didn't hurt..
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Like I said, cloggy, always looking at the superficial. Just like concentrating on speech rather than education. Long as they can talk, everything is fine. They look less deaf that way.
 
jillio said:
Like I said, cloggy, always looking at the superficial. Just like concentrating on speech rather than education. Long as they can talk, everything is fine. They look less deaf that way.
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Goal is to make them able to communicate.!! And there are many ways to do that....
 
Cloggy said:
Goal is to make them able to communicate.!! And there are many ways to do that....
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You really should take that to heart instead of the one way of the oralist approach.
 
Tousi said:
You really should take that to heart instead of the one way of the oralist approach.
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But Cloggy already has. They have introduced Lotte to sign as well as other languages. As parents who are actively involved in thier daughter's life, they have made the personal observation that their child prefers to use spoken language as her primary and as it also appears her sole method of communication and they are giving her every available opportunity to allow their daughter to take advantage of her preference.

So why cannot you take that to heart?

Oh, I forgot every deaf child must march in lockstep to the agenda of the Deaf community, sorry, I will try and remember that in the future.

Imagine trying to raise your child according to their own unique individual needs and preferences!
 
rick48 said:
But Cloggy already has. They have introduced Lotte to sign as well as other languages. As parents who are actively involved in thier daughter's life, they have made the personal observation that their child prefers to use spoken language as her primary and as it also appears her sole method of communication and they are giving her every available opportunity to allow their daughter to take advantage of her preference.

So why cannot you take that to heart?

Oh, I forgot every deaf child must march in lockstep to the agenda of the Deaf community, sorry, I will try and remember that in the future.

Imagine trying to raise your child according to their own unique individual needs and preferences!
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And imagine your child rejecting that and affiliating with the Deaf community. Happens in the majority of cases.
 
Why the child would be rejecting it at first tells me he/she either doesn't know the whole of what is out there right now or he/she has been steered from it. I will, out of courtesy, guess he/she just simply doesn't know right now because he/she is so young. Ooops, sorry, Lotte is a little girl; change all of the above to "she".
 
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