L.A. riots: Good Samaritan remembers his scary truck-driver rescue

[kokonut]

Apologizing via Twitter isn't really apologizing. We don't know if Marion Barry wrote that "apology" or not in Twitter. If he was man enough he'd show his pathetic face to a video camera and apologize on the air so that we know the apology came from him and that he meant it. But him being the little weasel he is, I doubt anybody would take his apology seriously.

 

[Grayma]

I find it quite comical that you had to go out of the way to find one case just to invalidate other case. It's a damn shame that you're so blind to what's really happening in here. It was a national problem and it was federally and scientifically recognized.

I didn't have to go out of my way at all. We were friends at the time of the King beating, everybody was talking about it, and I have never forgotten her reaction. Everytime King comes up I instantly am taken back to that moment when she shared just how brutal LA police officers were.

What's sad is that you find it 'comical' and fail to realize the implications. If you treat police brutality as a 'race' problem it will never be fixed because you are addressing only one aspect of a larger problem.

 

[naisho]

Barry Disparages 'Dirty' Asian-Owned Businesses | WAMU 88.5 - American University Radio

He told reporters he was talking about the Asian-American carry-out businesses that sell food. He says he wants them to clean up their stores, sell healthier food and contribute more to the community. He blamed reporters forstirring up the controversy.

After initially defending his comments, Barry later apologized on Twitter, saying he didn't mean to offend the Asian-American community. He says he was referring to "the less-than-stellar Asian American businessmen in Ward 8" and not all Asian Americans.

I think that should pretty much cover it. Barry's talking about certain Asian businesses and these are extraneous of all Asians in Los Angeles.

 

[Jiro]

I didn't have to go out of my way at all. We were friends at the time of the King beating, everybody was talking about it, and I have never forgotten her reaction. Everytime King comes up I instantly am taken back to that moment when she shared just how brutal LA police officers were.

What's sad is that you find it 'comical' and fail to realize the implications. If you treat police brutality as a 'race' problem it will never be fixed because you are addressing only one aspect of a larger problem.

different problem, different issue. are you saying there's no such thing as racial injustice in LAPD?

 

[Foxrac]

1. You've never believed anything I say anyway, so it's dishonest to pretend otherwise.

2. There was nothing misleading in my post. I perhaps made the mistake of assuming you knew more about politics and current events than you do.

I did not realize it was unknown to you that Barry as the mayor of DC or that he recently said that something had to be done about getting Asians and their dirty shops out of black neighborhoods so blacks could take over their businesses.

It was splashed all over the blogs and news outlets I read. If it wasn't mentioned in any of your news sources, then you are clearly reading biased sources. So were his attempt to lie about hsi comments being taken 'out of context.' But there is no context that makes his remarks anything other than racist.

Don't believe it?

Here's what he said:

“"We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops," Barry said. "They ought to go. I'm going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”

Now substitute Deaf for Asians:

“We got to do something about these Deaf coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said in his election-night speech. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need hearing business people to take their place.”

What context would make that okay? 'Cultural differences?' Not even.

"We got to do something about these Muslims coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops," Barry said. "They ought to go. I'm going to say that right now. But we need Christian businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.

Is that okay under any imaginable context? No.

"We got to do something about these blacks coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops," Barry said. "They ought to go. I'm going to say that right now. But we need white businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.

Any possible context that would make that anything other than raw bigotry? Nope.

This (Asian) blogger ain't buying it, either:




Korean businesses were targeted because they were Korean.

"a post-riot investigation by the FBI indicated that black gangs who were responsible for planning the Los Angeles riots consciously targeted Korean-owned stores for arson and looting."
Handbook of Research on Ethnic Minority Entrepreneurship.... By Leo Paul Dana

I already realized about situation with Barry after Rockin'Robin posted in other thread.
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/100285-racism-politics-marion-barry-needs-go.html

I don't say that I know more in political and current events than others because they have different interest. I love into political and I used political to protect GLBT communities from taking their away by anti-gay groups.

Are you say that Jiro's posts are misled or biased? Care to explain, you seems that you can't trust all type of media. Do you trust Fox News? The Blaze?

 

[Grayma]

When Barry was talking about Asians and dirty shops, he is speaking of all Asians in Los Angeles or is he referring to certain asians? There are "dirty shops" where it's under-the-table labor, cookie cutter businesses and that kind of stuff and some Asian businesses can be notorious for them.

Context and subjectivity should be pretty important in this case.

He was speaking about D.C. and while he now says (quite a bit after the fact) that he meant something different and was taken out of context, what he said was this:
"We've got to do something about these Asians coming in, opening up businesses -- those dirty shops," Barry said Tuesday night, after winning the Democratic primary for the city's Ward 8 seat and effectively securing a third council term.

Barry went on to say: "They ought to go. I'll just say that right now, you know. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too."

there is no context indicating he only means one kind of store. Otherwise, why the focus on having *non-Asians* take their place?

If it's merely their business practices that are the problem, the race of those who take their place wouldn't matter.

Furthermore, when he went on later to 'explain' his remarks he said it was because of cultural differences in the Asian and black communities, basically indicating a sort of apartheid, if his comments are taken to logical ends- where only Asians own stores in Asian neighborhoods and only Blacks own stores in Black neighborhoods.


Really, I find it utterly flabbergasting that anybody could twist his remarks into anything other than what they are.

 

[Jiro]

Apologizing via Twitter isn't really apologizing. We don't know if Marion Barry wrote that "apology" or not in Twitter. If he was man enough he'd show his pathetic face to a video camera and apologize on the air so that we know the apology came from him and that he meant it. But him being the little weasel he is, I doubt anybody would take his apology seriously.

kinda like therealgeorgezimmerman.com ?

 

[Grayma]

I already realized about situation with Barry after Rockin'Robin posted in other thread.

I don't say that I know more in political and current events than others because they have different interest. I love into political and I used political to protect GLBT communities from taking their away by anti-gay groups.

Are you say that Jiro's posts are misled or biased? Care to explain, you seems that you can't trust all type of media. Do you trust Fox News? The Blaze?

I don't watch any network news and I don't know what The Blaze is, although it sounds vaguely familiar.

I read all sides of the spectrum and draw conclusions from that.

 

[kokonut]

He was speaking about D.C. and while he now says (quite a bit after the fact) that he meant something different and was taken out of context, what he said was this:
"We've got to do something about these Asians coming in, opening up businesses -- those dirty shops," Barry said Tuesday night, after winning the Democratic primary for the city's Ward 8 seat and effectively securing a third council term.

Barry went on to say: "They ought to go. I'll just say that right now, you know. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too."

there is no context indicating he only means one kind of store. Otherwise, why the focus on having *non-Asians* take their place?

If it's merely their business practices that are the problem, the race of those who take their place wouldn't matter.

Furthermore, when he went on later to 'explain' his remarks he said it was because of cultural differences in the Asian and black communities, basically indicating a sort of apartheid, if his comments are taken to logical ends- where only Asians own stores in Asian neighborhoods and only Blacks own stores in Black neighborhoods.

Really, I find it utterly flabbergasting that anybody could twist his remarks into anything other than what they are.

I'm sure to many people he sounded pretty racist the way he said it.

 

[Foxrac]

Apologizing via Twitter isn't really apologizing. We don't know if Marion Barry wrote that "apology" or not in Twitter. If he was man enough he'd show his pathetic face to a video camera and apologize on the air so that we know the apology came from him and that he meant it. But him being the little weasel he is, I doubt anybody would take his apology seriously.

I think that Barry will resign after all corporations decide to leave our government alone, end the Super PAC, end the contribution, except for people and plenty of corrupted politicians from DEM and GOP resign.

 

[Foxrac]

I don't watch any network news and I don't know what The Blaze is, although it sounds vaguely familiar.

I read all sides of the spectrum and draw conclusions from that.

I posted the link that where Rockin'Robin posted and you can check my post.

I think that Barry need to be go but due to corruption in US political system, it doesn't see happen in anytime.

 

[Jiro]

Sigh. You make things so difficult, so much more difficult than they need to be. You asked why the riots, which were supposedly in response to acts of brutality by white police officers, actually targeted Koreans.

I didn't make this difficult for you. you are just trying too hard to distract racial injustice between white people and black people. I asked why were Koreans targeted and you replied back with former mayor marion byron and his disparaging remarks about Korean people.

I gave you some possible reasons why, pointing out the attitudes toward Koreans expressed by leaders in the black community in the 80s and still being expressed today.

thanks but next time, I think you should be a little more careful with how you say it in the first place. Misinformation is dangerous.

I know he was the former mayor of DC. I thought I said that, and I figured ADers would know it anyway. If you didn't know about his comments, you have reason to question your sources for news.

well no you didn't say he was a former mayor of DC. Just "former Mayor Marion Barry" which can be easily misconstrued as a former mayor of LA. How can you assume that we would know? I've never heard of him.

He wasn't taken out of context. What on earth is the proper context for saying that those Asians and their dirty shops have to go so your own people can take over their businesses?

no. I said you took it out of context.

Really?

There's no way he didn't mean those remarks just the way it sounds.

I know he said those remarks last month. That's no secret. I thought everybody would have known about that, too. (You do know he was a cokehead, right?)

no I don't know anything about him until I did some digging to verify the accuracy of your post because it didn't look right.

I also posted a link to things that were said in the early 80's- the point being- attitudes haven't changed that much. There's a connection between those attitudes and the things that were being said by black leadership about Koreans then and the riots- and Barry's remarks- which he felt safe making in front of his constituents- indicate things haven't changed much.

I think that's just one of very small issues - a racial tension. on bigger picture, there is a racial injustice going on between minorities population and police department which is predominantly white.

 

[Barbaro]

jiro, I thought you have been to LA before. No? What I know is before the beating of Rodney King, Korean owners of businesses refused to hire black people for some reasons such as robberies or shoplifting. They protected their businesses fiercely, because they were their life, and source of income. That may be one of the factors that Koreatown was hit heavily.

Another factor is this female Korean owner shot a black teen in the back just after the beating of Rodney King. She found guilty, but she was sentenced to probation and community service when she was supposed to go to prison for 16 years. Ice Cube was furious when he heard female Korean owner's sentence. So, he had released the controversial song, "Death Certificate" prior to LA riots. You can read the lyrics of Black Korea.

 

[Jiro]

jiro, I thought you have been to LA before. No?

yes twice but it doesn't mean I know a lot about LA. I don't live in there long enough to understand something that only locals would know which is why I'm asking in this thread to understand why were Koreans a target during LA riot after officers' acquittal.

What I know is before the beating of Rodney King, Korean owners of businesses refused to hire black people for some reasons such as robberies or shoplifting. They protected their businesses fiercely, because they were their life, and source of income. That may be one of the factors that Koreatown was hit heavily.

Another factor is this female Korean owner shot a black teen in the back just after the beating of Rodney King. She found guilty, but she was sentenced to probation and community service when she was supposed to go to prison for 16 years. Ice Cube was furious when he heard female Korean owner's sentence. So, he had released the controversial song, "Death Certificate" prior to LA riots. You can read the lyrics of Black Korea.

thanks for this info. I didn't know anything about this at all. I'm researching on what books to get for this subject. It's fascinating to me now.

Before - I thought LA riot was mainly between black people and white people (which was why truck driver got struck by a brick and beat up) and Korean people just happened to get caught up in crossfire. Apparently that's a short hindsight and there must be something deeper. remember - I was only 10 years old at that time so I didn't give it much thought till now.

 

[Steinhauer]

but why would you say that? by saying that, you in fact condone a beatdown.

Criminals break the law. that's why they're criminals. Just because criminals break the law doesn't mean it's ok for our police officers to break the law too because criminals deserve whatever they get it coming.

Criminals are criminals with poor judgment. Officers are people sworn to uphold the laws and should follow the laws and protocols. If police officers had follow proper police protocol and laws, there would not have been a beatdown and riot. and Officer Powell would not have gone to jail and Rodney King would still be in prison right now.

I don't think anybody is glorifying Rodney King. This issue sparkled a change in American laws and policy regarding racial injustice.

Let me clear this up, as I can see where the confusion is now with a little more clarity.

No, I do not condone the beatdown.

I will try to give an example, or several examples. Take for instance a hornet's nest. Just suppose you tell a person, over and over again, to not go near the hornet's nest, as disturbing it will result in injury and possibly even death.

Suppose the person disturbs the hornet's nest and gets stung so bad you don't even recognize them.

Then, you tell the person later "See?!! I told you so! Why didn't you listen to me?!!"

That person then thinks you condoned the actions of the hornets - when no, you actually do not. You just think the person who messed with the hornet's nest is extremely stupid.

The law(s) that Rodney King broke apply to everybody. In order to even drive, you must pass a driver's exam - so he knew that he was breaking the law when he broke it. When he attacked the officers that were attempting to apprehend and arrest him, he disturbed a hornet's nest. He was extremely stupid for doing that.

There, I hope that clears up any confusion.

 

[Steinhauer]

yes twice but it doesn't mean I know a lot about LA. I don't live in there long enough to understand something that only locals would know which is why I'm asking in this thread to understand why were Koreans a target during LA riot after officers' acquittal.


thanks for this info. I didn't know anything about this at all. I'm researching on what books to get for this subject. It's fascinating to me now.

Before - I thought LA riot was mainly between black people and white people (which was why truck driver got struck by a brick and beat up) and Korean people just happened to get caught up in crossfire. Apparently that's a short hindsight and there must be something deeper. remember - I was only 10 years old at that time so I didn't give it much thought till now.

I am very glad to see this subject interests you. Perhaps you may see a little bit clearly now that ALL races commit hateful racist acts. Racism is not all inclusive to one specific race.

 

[Jiro]

Let me clear this up, as I can see where the confusion is now with a little more clarity.

No, I do not condone the beatdown.

I will try to give an example, or several examples. Take for instance a hornet's nest. Just suppose you tell a person, over and over again, to not go near the hornet's nest, as disturbing it will result in injury and possibly even death.

Suppose the person disturbs the hornet's nest and gets stung so bad you don't even recognize them.

Then, you tell the person later "See?!! I told you so! Why didn't you listen to me?!!"

That person then thinks you condoned the actions of the hornets - when no, you actually do not. You just think the person who messed with the hornet's nest is extremely stupid.

The law(s) that Rodney King broke apply to everybody. In order to even drive, you must pass a driver's exam - so he knew that he was breaking the law when he broke it. When he attacked the officers that were attempting to apprehend and arrest him, he disturbed a hornet's nest. He was extremely stupid for doing that.

There, I hope that clears up any confusion.

the difference is... police officers are sworn to uphold the laws and follow the department protocols. they were eventually found guilty of excessive force and not adhering to proper protocols. if police officers cannot handle the job within constraints set by laws and department policy, then they are clearly unfit for police work. Officer Powell and Sergeant Koon were deemed unfit for police duty.

since then... Christopher Commission was created to investigate this matter and it did reveal that excessive force, racial bias, and racial profiling were rampant in LAPD.

 

[Steinhauer]

the difference is... police officers are sworn to uphold the laws and follow the department protocols. they were eventually found guilty of excessive force and not adhering to proper protocols. if police officers cannot handle the job within constraints set by laws and department policy, then they are clearly unfit for police work. Officer Powell and Sergeant Koon were deemed unfit for police duty.

since then... Christopher Commission was created to investigate this matter and it did reveal that excessive force, racial bias, and racial profiling were rampant in LAPD.

I absolutely agree with you - yes, what they did was unlawful and wrong.

But it was also a very human thing to do. There is the whole consistent pattern of nature just being nature and human nature is one hell of a thing to contend with sometimes.

 

[Jiro]

I am very glad to see this subject interests you. Perhaps you may see a little bit clearly now that ALL races commit hateful racist acts. Racism is not all inclusive to one specific race.

never said it was inclusive to one specific race but it is already known that racial injustice is largely between minorities and white people as revealed by Christopher Commission and Independent Analysis conducted by Erwin Chernerinsky.

I will put up 2 posts of both studies.

 

[Jiro]

I absolutely agree with you - yes, what they did was unlawful and wrong.

But it was also a very human thing to do. There is the whole consistent pattern of nature just being nature and human nature is one hell of a thing to contend with sometimes.

that's why we have laws, department policy, and training for police officers so that they don't succumb to their primal violence otherwise.... they too will have to pay for it as criminals do.

criminals do not think and they make series of poor judgment. that's why they're criminals and they will go to jail for it. police officers should not do same and they should know better than criminals.