L.A. riots: Good Samaritan remembers his scary truck-driver rescue

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but why would you say that? by saying that, you in fact condone a beatdown.

Criminals break the law. that's why they're criminals. Just because criminals break the law doesn't mean it's ok for our police officers to break the law too because criminals deserve whatever they get it coming.

Criminals are criminals with poor judgment. Officers are people sworn to uphold the laws and should follow the laws and protocols. If police officers had follow proper police protocol and laws, there would not have been a beatdown and riot. and Officer Powell would not have gone to jail and Rodney King would still be in prison right now.

I don't think anybody is glorifying Rodney King. This issue sparkled a change in American laws and policy regarding racial injustice.

He isn't condoning the beat-down. That's just how you have chosen to label him, so you filter everything he says through your preconceived ideas.

Rodney King's beatdown wasn't because he was black. It's because the LA Police were thugs who beat up lots of people, regardless of color, because they believed they were above the law. If he had been white and acted the same way he would have been beaten just the same. As I said elsewhere, a white girlfriend of mine also got beaten up just for being mouthy. I suspect they sexually abused her, too, because of the way she reacted whenever LA police came up. There was a serious problem with police brutality in LA (and other places), and I'm not sure it's been fixed yet.

Reginald Denny's beating was purely motivated by racism, as were the attacks on Korean businesses.
 
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Hardly, when it comes to wishing an ADer would get hurt just for stating his/her opinion. I find that loathsome when there are other ways to debate on presenting a point. That one was not it.

There was full sarcasm behind it, and I trust you are fully smart to know it. In fact, you've gone out of your way to prove so. So, I think you understood perfectly clear the point SWK was making. Have a good day.
 
There was full sarcasm behind it, and I trust you are fully smart to know it. In fact, you've gone out of your way to prove so. So, I think you understood perfectly clear the point SWK was making. Have a good day.

Like I said, it wasn't necessary.
 
Maybe because former Mayor Marion Barry's ugly attitude represents more than his own bigotry:

And because garbage like this was being spewed in publications geared towards blacks in the '80s
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I had a feeling that it was taken out of context so I did some digging. Well - your post is quite misleading. He was the mayor of DC, not LA... and he said that last month, not 1992.

Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry Says Asians’ ‘Dirty Shops…Ought To Go’ - ABC News
Update: Barry apologized for his comments Thursday evening, saying in a statement that he was “deeply apologetic for any harm I have caused.”
“I am sorry that my choice of words in expressing my discontent with some of the Asian business owners in my Ward offended the Asian American Community,” Barry said, emphasizing the word “some” in his statement.
But he continued his scorn of the Asian-owned businesses in Ward 8 that, he said, “don’t reach-out to neighborhood groups, make financial contributions to the neighborhood or, help young people in the neighborhood improve their quality of life.”

“It is to these less than stellar Asian American businessmen in Ward 8 that my remarks were directed, not the whole of Asian businessmen in Ward 8 or, the Asian American population,” Barry said in the statement.
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Former Washington, D.C., mayor Marion Barry is mired in yet another controversy today after saying Asian business owners “ought to go” to make room for African-Americans to “take their place.”

After winning the Democratic primary election for the District of Colombia city council, on which he has served for the past seven years, Barry seemed to berate the Asian-American business community in his Southeast D.C. district.
“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said after winning the Democratic Primary for his Ward 8 City Council seat Tuesday night, according to a video posted by NBC 4 in Washington. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”
Current D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray said Thursday that he was “deeply disappointed” by Barry’s comment.

“There is no room in this wonderfully diverse city for comments that disparage anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, disability or sexual orientation,” Gray said in a statement. “Our energies are better spent focused on building everyone up rather than tearing anyone down. That is how we achieve the vision of One City.”

While Barry’s office did not immediately respond to ABC’s request for comment, Barry sought to clarify his remarks today on Twitter.

“My comments were taken out of context & construed as disparaging 2 entire Asian biz community. We DO deserve our bizs t/b nice places in W8!” read a tweet from his @marionbarryjr Twitter account Thursday afternoon.

The city councilman then tweeted photos of three businesses, two of which seemed to be run by Asians, saying “WE can do a better job.”

“I do NOT disparage the Asian community, but the fact is there r some bizs that can do better!” Barry wrote.

“But the plexiglass barrier is both literal & figurative. Keep bizs clean, carry healthy products, hire from community,” read another tweet accompanied by a photo of what seems to be a Chinese food restaurant front with plexiglass enclosing the storefront.

Ward 8, which Barry represents, is not only the poorest neighborhood in the District of Columbia — 35 percent of its population lives in poverty — but with 25 percent of the population unemployed, it has the highest unemployment rate of any comparably sized city in the country. The average income of the area is one third that of the D.C. as a whole, according to Census data from 2005-2009 analyzed by the Washington-based Urban Institute.

Barry, 76, is a veteran of D.C. politics, having served as mayor for nearly 20 years. In 1990 he was caught on tape in an FBI sting using crack cocaine in a hotel room with a former girlfriend working as an informant. A jury deadlocked on many of the counts against the popular Barry during his trial; he was convicted of an earlier charge of possession and served six months in prison. Stunningly, he ran and was elected mayor for a fourth term in 1994.
He was arrested again in 2002 after traces of marijuana and cocaine were reportedly found in his car, although no charges were filed.

The former mayor has also been charged with failing to pay federal and local taxes and “misdemeanor stalking” for allegedly following his ex-girlfriend.
 
He isn't condoning the beat-down. That's just how you have chosen to label him, so you filter everything he says through your preconceived ideas.

Rodney King's beatdown wasn't because he was black. It's because the LA Police were thugs who beat up lots of people, regardless of color, because they believed they were above the law. If he had been white and acted the same way he would have been beaten just the same. As I said elsewhere, a white girlfriend of mine also got beaten up just for being mouthy. I suspect they sexually abused her, too, because of the way she reacted whenever LA police came up. There was a serious problem with police brutality in LA (and other places), and I'm not sure it's been fixed yet.

I find it quite comical that you had to go out of the way to find one case just to invalidate other case. It's a damn shame that you're so blind to what's really happening in here. It was a national problem and it was federally and scientifically recognized.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/02/08/home/rodney-report.html
LOS ANGELES, July 9 -- A little more than four months after a videotaped beating of a black motorist by Los Angeles police officers stirred national outrage, an independent commission today issued a harsh indictment of the Los Angeles Police Department as an agency that has tolerated excessive force and overt racism among its officers.

The commission also called for the replacement of the police chief, Daryl F. Gates, but stopped short of asking for his immediate ouster. It said the department should begin the "transition" to a new chief, but Chief Gates, who has led the 8,450-member force for 13 years, quickly rebuffed the suggestion that he retire soon.

'Illusory' Citizen Control
While the report said most of city's police officers worked efficiently and without excessive force, it found "a significant number" who "repetitively use excessive force against the public and persistently ignore the written guidelines of the department regarding force."

Using computerized department files on the use of force against civilians, the report said that officers accused of repeated acts of excessive force were seldom punished and were often given glowing evaluations, that police reports were routinely falsified and that civilian control was "illusory."

The report concluded that officers were imbued with "an organizational culture that emphasizes crime control over crime prevention and that isolates the police from the communities and the people they serve."

"L.A.P.D. offices are encouraged to command and confront, not to communicate," it added.

Minority officers are often targets of racial slurs within the police department, the report said. It also said the department's management consistently discouraged citizen complaints against officers and ignored racism and sexism, sometimes expressed in open computer transmissions between police vehicles. "Sounds like monkey-slapping time," the report quoted one officer's message as saying.

The report recommended numerous changes, including limiting future police chiefs to two five-year terms, a "major overhaul" of the police disciplinary and complaint process and more "community-based" police work in which patrol officers spend more time on the streets of the communities they serve.

The panel also urged the current members of Police Commission, a civilian body appointed by the Mayor to oversee police operations, to resign, and two members, Melanie Lomax and Samuel Williams, did so this afternoon after the report was released.

'A National Problem'
The 10-member investigative panel was formed soon after the beating of the black motorist, Rodney G. King, on March 3, an incident that raised questions nationally about police brutality against blacks and other minorities.
The leaders of the panel said today that they hoped their report would spur action all over country.

"This is a national problem," said the commission chairman, Warren M. Christopher, Deputy Secretary of State in the Carter Administration. "We have conducted our study with an awareness that it might have considerable relevance for other cities, other police departments around the country. We hope that our findings will ignite a national effort to prevent the excessive use of force by police offices."

In Washington, Hubert Williams, president of the Police Foundation, a private research group, called the report a milestone. "The Rodney King incident has changed the way to look at police," he said, "and this report will cause other cities to look more closely at their police problems. We'll see positive changes in the attitude of police officers and less tolerance by citizens."

The report was also welcomed by minority and civil liberties leaders who said it lent credence to longstanding complaints that the police routinely violated the rights of the poor and minorities, dispensing summary justice at the curb.

Characteristically, Chief Gates greeted the report with a mixture of diplomacy and defiance. While he called it a "good report," he said he would not feel compelled to retire until the voters approved a change in the City Charter that would limit the chief to a 10-year term.

That appeared to set the stage for a protracted political struggle over control of the police here. The politically powerful Chief enjoys civil service status and cannot easily be removed; he has rebuffed calls for his ouster by Mayor Bradley and members of the Police Commission.

"We're not startled by any of the things that have been found in this report," the Chief said. "Most of what was found we already knew, and I think, in many instances, have taken appropriate action to deal with these kinds of things."

Chief Gates said the problems had been traced to just a few officers, 300 at most, and that should not detract from the work of 8,000 others.

Many of the changes proposed by the panel require action by the Mayor, the City Council, the Police Commission, the voters and the police department itself, and Mayor Bradley called on the City Council today to enact the recommendations "without change." He also said the city's personnel department and the Police Commission should begin "an open nationwide search" for a new chief, which he said would take about six months.

Reginald Denny's beating was purely motivated by racism, as were the attacks on Korean businesses.

Officer Powell and Sergeant Koon are just as bad as thugs who beat up Reginald Denny. Both cases were the result of racial injustice.
 
If you have issue about that one talk to the mods.

When you look back at it, how did you feel? necessary or not? proud of yourself?

and you should have follow your own advice. should have let the mods handle it instead of being a vigilante mod-wannabe.
 
He isn't condoning the beat-down. That's just how you have chosen to label him, so you filter everything he says through your preconceived ideas.

Rodney King's beatdown wasn't because he was black. It's because the LA Police were thugs who beat up lots of people, regardless of color, because they believed they were above the law. If he had been white and acted the same way he would have been beaten just the same. As I said elsewhere, a white girlfriend of mine also got beaten up just for being mouthy. I suspect they sexually abused her, too, because of the way she reacted whenever LA police came up. There was a serious problem with police brutality in LA (and other places), and I'm not sure it's been fixed yet.

Reginald Denny's beating was purely motivated by racism, as were the attacks on Korean businesses.

LA riot erupted after all of 4 police officers acquitted by 10 whites, 1 latino and 1 Asian jurists in conservative city - Simi Valley.

I agree with Jiro about racial injustice and I feel that Rodney King doesn't receive a fair trial.
 
There was full sarcasm behind it, and I trust you are fully smart to know it. In fact, you've gone out of your way to prove so. So, I think you understood perfectly clear the point SWK was making. Have a good day.
Exactly.
 
Hardly, when it comes to wishing an ADer would get hurt just for stating his/her opinion. I find that loathsome when there are other ways to debate on presenting a point. That one was not it.
In some cases, people that have never been in the shoes of someone harassed by police should experience that type of harassment, just to understand the helplessness of it. Police that plan to use tasers are required to be tased as part of the training.

As for police harassment, I have been in those shoes. I know how it feels. I have little reason to withdraw my statement made to someone that posts extremist views to elicit a response. That is not you. No need to defend the guy. He has his own guns and loads of Conservative venom.
 
I had a feeling that it was taken out of context so I did some digging. Well - your post is quite misleading. He was the mayor of DC, not LA... and he said that last month, not 1992.

Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry Says Asians’ ‘Dirty Shops…Ought To Go’ - ABC News

Sigh. You make things so difficult, so much more difficult than they need to be. You asked why the riots, which were supposedly in response to acts of brutality by white police officers, actually targeted Koreans.

I gave you some possible reasons why, pointing out the attitudes toward Koreans expressed by leaders in the black community in the 80s and still being expressed today.

I know he was the former mayor of DC. I thought I said that, and I figured ADers would know it anyway. If you didn't know about his comments, you have reason to question your sources for news.

He wasn't taken out of context. What on earth is the proper context for saying that those Asians and their dirty shops have to go so your own people can take over their businesses?

Really?

Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry doubled down on comments he made earlier this month that the “dirty shops” owned by Asians in his Southeast city council district “ought to go.”

“That’s not racial,” Barry, now a city councilman representing the majority-African-American Ward 8, told Reason TV. “The fact is that 95 percent of the carry-outs in Ward 8 are owned or managed by Asians. So I’m finished with that.”

After winning the Democratic primary in his re-election bid for city council, Barry, 76, said in an April 3 speech that Asians’ shops “ought to go” so that African-American businesspeople will “be able to take their places.”

“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said in his election-night speech. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now.”

He sought to explain his criticism in the Reason TV interview, which was posted online Sunday, by citing the “cultural differences” that are present in Ward 8, one of D.C.’s poorest areas with the highest unemployment rate in the nation’s capital city.

There's no way he didn't mean those remarks just the way it sounds.

I know he said those remarks last month. That's no secret. I thought everybody would have known about that, too. (You do know he was a cokehead, right?)

I also posted a link to things that were said in the early 80's- the point being- attitudes haven't changed that much. There's a connection between those attitudes and the things that were being said by black leadership about Koreans then and the riots- and Barry's remarks- which he felt safe making in front of his constituents- indicate things haven't changed much.
 
I had a talk with ADer who lived in ADer at that time and I was curious if LA riot was limited to very specific area or almost entire LA. It appears that it was mostly focused in Koreantown. I find it quite puzzling. Why Koreans?

I SS'ed and drew a map for you for generally how LA is these days with the notable stuff for debate. I've been acquainted with here for almost 30 years. Interesting.. I didn't realize that the K-town relocated to where it is today (Picture this post is today's Koreatown)

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You can compare it to the marked location of the riots, where it has the old k-town.
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When you look back at it, how did you feel? necessary or not? proud of yourself?

and you should have follow your own advice. should have let the mods handle it instead of being a vigilante mod-wannabe.

Since I participated in this issue, along with others, I'll answer that question also.
Yes, it was necessary and, yes, I'm proud of doing so. It was necessary to prevent someone whom did not belong on AD in the first place from taking over AD.
While I have no intentions of telling any MOD.how to do the job, I nevertheless thought this person should have been on probation while being invested based on how many members requested this person be checked out.
 
Yup, thanks for catch misled post and I'm starting lose the truth with Grayma over misled post.

1. You've never believed anything I say anyway, so it's dishonest to pretend otherwise.

2. There was nothing misleading in my post. I perhaps made the mistake of assuming you knew more about politics and current events than you do.

I did not realize it was unknown to you that Barry as the mayor of DC or that he recently said that something had to be done about getting Asians and their dirty shops out of black neighborhoods so blacks could take over their businesses.

It was splashed all over the blogs and news outlets I read. If it wasn't mentioned in any of your news sources, then you are clearly reading biased sources. So were his attempt to lie about hsi comments being taken 'out of context.' But there is no context that makes his remarks anything other than racist.

Don't believe it?

Here's what he said:

“"We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops," Barry said. "They ought to go. I'm going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”

Now substitute Deaf for Asians:

“We got to do something about these Deaf coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said in his election-night speech. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need hearing business people to take their place.”

What context would make that okay? 'Cultural differences?' Not even.

"We got to do something about these Muslims coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops," Barry said. "They ought to go. I'm going to say that right now. But we need Christian businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.

Is that okay under any imaginable context? No.

"We got to do something about these blacks coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops," Barry said. "They ought to go. I'm going to say that right now. But we need white businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.

Any possible context that would make that anything other than raw bigotry? Nope.

This (Asian) blogger ain't buying it, either:


As recently as this morning, Marion Barry refused to back down from his racist comments about "these Asians coming in, opening up businesses, those dirty shops." But by the afternoon, faced with mounting criticism about his remarks, the councilman apologized via Twitter, saying he is "very sorry for offending the Asian American community." But he did note that his comments were taken out of context.

Are you buying this? Look, I get anyone trying to address the problems in his community, and Ward 8 has many. But singling out Asian business owners is careless and incendiary. Whether he was being thoughtless -- "I admit, I could and should have said it differently" -- or knew exactly what he was saying, either way, it's inexcusable for a politician to say something like that then simply dismiss it as a "bad choice of words."


Korean businesses were targeted because they were Korean.

"a post-riot investigation by the FBI indicated that black gangs who were responsible for planning the Los Angeles riots consciously targeted Korean-owned stores for arson and looting."
Handbook of Research on Ethnic Minority Entrepreneurship.... By Leo Paul Dana
 
When Barry was talking about Asians and dirty shops, he is speaking of all Asians in Los Angeles or is he referring to certain asians? There are "dirty shops" where it's under-the-table labor, cookie cutter businesses and that kind of stuff and some Asian businesses can be notorious for them.

Context and subjectivity should be pretty important in this case.
 
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