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Now back on topic: Navy chaplains being permitted to perform same sex marraiges. A step forward for our military and our society.
 
jillio said:
Mods: can we put an end to the preaching before another of my threads gets closed as a result?
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This is your thread, and if you don't want religious stuff and preaching then ok, no problem with that. I understand you.

The problem I have with gay marriages cheered by seculars, is that the marriage is a christian ceremony. Do seculars view marriage as a christian tradition, or do they have a secular view on the marriage. If they have a secular view, why marry at all. Why live in a monogamy at all. Is it possible to cherrypick what one belive in and not in christianity?

That's why I'm interested in the arguments from Reba, and seculars as well, but as said, I understand you perfect when you feel annoyed by "preachers" in your thread.
 
Marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman. Marriage is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Same sex "marriages" are not marriages, they are civil unions.

So ... why is there such a big deal and arguing going on about the word "marriage" ?
 
flip said:
This is your thread, and if you don't want religious stuff and preaching then ok, no problem with that. I understand you.

The problem I have with gay marriages cheered by seculars, is that the marriage is a christian ceremony. Do seculars view marriage as a christian tradition, or do they have a secular view on the marriage. If they have a secular view, why marry at all. Why live in a monogamy at all. Is it possible to cherrypick what one belive in and not in christianity?

That's why I'm interested in the arguments from Reba, and seculars as well, but as said, I understand you perfect when you feel annoyed by "preachers" in your thread.
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Marraige is also a civil union. In order for the religious ceremony to bear any weight regarding tax laws, insurance benefits, etc, one has to have a marraige license issued from the government. If it were ONLY a religious institution, that would be one thing. But the fact is, that the religious institution of marraige cannot even exist without the secular giving its approval first. Otherwise, all those polygamous "spiritual unions" would be marraiges. The same with same sex marraige. And if particular doctrines choose to embrace loving unions between people of the same sex, then I say, good for them. They are living much closer to the spirit of God than most.

Discussing religious implications is not the same as preaching. What we have been having is preaching, and it is unnecessary and nonproductive. It only serves to spread judgement and hate.
 
Steinhauer said:
Marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman. Marriage is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Same sex "marriages" are not marriages, they are civil unions.

So ... why is there such a big deal and arguing going on about the word "marriage" ?
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In what century?:laugh2: The states that recognize it as differently would disagree with your narrowminded perspective.
 
jillio said:
Marraige is also a civil union. In order for the religious ceremony to bear any weight regarding tax laws, insurance benefits, etc, one has to have a marraige license issued from the government. If it were ONLY a religious institution, that would be one thing. But the fact is, that the religious institution of marraige cannot even exist without the secular giving its approval first. Otherwise, all those polygamous "spiritual unions" would be marraiges. The same with same sex marraige. And if particular doctrines choose to embrace loving unions between people of the same sex, then I say, good for them. They are living much closer to the spirit of God than most.
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Most religious documents do not define marriage other than it being between a man and a woman. Or, do you have some special "magic" ability to read God's thoughts that no one else can do?
 
Steinhauer said:
Marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman. Marriage is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Same sex "marriages" are not marriages, they are civil unions.

So ... why is there such a big deal and arguing going on about the word "marriage" ?
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Incorrect, marriage and civil unions are not same.
Equal Marriage NOW: Civil Marriage v. Civil Unions
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

Gay marriage is gay marriage.

Civil union is civil union.
 
Steinhauer said:
I was talking about the legal definition of marriage. Bush placed a vote on it in 2004. It passed.
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Bush? :laugh2:

You might want to check those states that now have legal marriage for same sex couples.
 
Steinhauer said:
I was talking about the legal definition of marriage. Bush placed a vote on it in 2004. It passed.


http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/dasmith/SLGR2006.pdf
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WTF?

There is no federal banning on gay marriage, except for DOMA that which is challenge in court right now.

Bush doesn't anything with gay marriage, just unchanged for federal but some states passed constitution ban on gay marriage at state level, that can be strike down by US Supreme Court.
 
Steinhauer said:
Most religious documents do not define marriage other than it being between a man and a woman. Or, do you have some special "magic" ability to read God's thoughts that no one else can do?
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So, a heterosexual couple that goes to the court house and is married by a judge is not married?

You are just using homophobic semantics that mean absolutely nothing.
 
Steinhauer said:
Marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman. Marriage is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Same sex "marriages" are not marriages, they are civil unions.

So ... why is there such a big deal and arguing going on about the word "marriage" ?
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Then why in non-Western cultures that allow for unions between two homosexuals still use the English word for "marriage"? Last time I checked, Christians don't have a monopoly on the dictionary.
 
jillio said:
Now back on topic: Navy chaplains being permitted to perform same sex marraiges. A step forward for our military and our society.
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A step further downhill for our military and our society.

No preaching; just opinion, same as your statement.
 
jillio said:
Now back on topic: Navy chaplains being permitted to perform same sex marraiges. A step forward for our military and our society.
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I guess you missed the news. They took that back almost immediately.
 
Reba said:
A step further downhill for our military and our society.

No preaching; just opinion, same as your statement.
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A minority opinion to be sure, which is fortunate. Judgement placed against another based on nothing more than their choice of partner is a form of intolerance that threatens the enlightenment of all of society.
 
TXgolfer said:
I guess you missed the news. They took that back almost immediately.
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Nope. It has not been completely revoked, and should that happen, I have virtually no doubt that it will be passed eventually...just as don't ask, don't tell was repealed, and DOMA will no doubt be repealed in the very near future. The time for treating others who may be different from ourselves as second class citizens is long overdue to be abolished across the board.
 
Foxrac said:
WTF?

There is no federal banning on gay marriage, except for DOMA that which is challenge in court right now.

Bush doesn't anything with gay marriage, just unchanged for federal but some states passed constitution ban on gay marriage at state level, that can be strike down by US Supreme Court.
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H.R. 3313 is exactly what I was referencing (I noticed you said "except DOMA").

DOMA is what I was referencing.

CURRENTLY, the legal definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. Just because the definition is being challenged, it does not change the current definition.
 
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