Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

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so that's like saying - you're neutral on Taliban/Al-Qaeda and USA. Like I explained - Palestinian people were getting fed up with their former government who got nothing done... so with all the pent-up anger and deep frustration, they resorted to electing a so-called "government" who can do something about it. Clearly - they made a mistake. remember 9/11 and 2nd-election Bush? We made a mistake. They made a mistake. That's what happens when fear and anger take the best of you.... Hopefully - Hamas will no longer represent Palestine soon.

There're no comparsion between Hamas/Isreali with Al-Quaeda & USA because they are total different.

Hamas is an elected government of Palestine but Al-Quaeda? Al-Quaeda is not Government but the name of Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA, in USA.

Well about Bush issues, the Americans realized their mistake to elect Bush in FIRST election is understandable but SECOND election? I thought Americans learn their mistake and won't elect Bush for second time but they doesn't... Mistake?

9/11 issues - we cannot prove that Al-Qaeda is the responsible until we arrest Bin Laden....

The problems between Hamas and Isreali for years... I doubt either it would be solution? But I hope the people realize what they elect right one, they can trust to... It's up to them either they want to vote Hamas out or not.
 
There're no comparsion between Hamas/Isreali with Al-Quaeda & USA because they are total different.

Hamas is an elected government of Palestine but Al-Quaeda? They are not Government but Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA, in USA.

Well about Bush issues, the Americans realized their mistake to elect Bush in FIRST election is understandable but SECOND election? I thought Americans learn their mistake and won't elect Bush for second time but they doesn't... Mistake?

The problems between Hamas and Isreali for years... I doubt either it would be solution? But I hope the people realize what they elect right one, they can trust to.

WHAT?! HUH? Why would we created a terrorist organization to destroy us?

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and ask you to re-clairfy what you are trying to say.... :)
 
Yup. I can see Liebling's perspective. If the Hamas were elected to fight against Israel's enroachments, then they truly ARE freedom fighters.

Yes, that's what I see.
 
Ty for the correction. So it was Hitler's party's propaganda and creating violece in the streets that got him elected by the majority elected ruler. It still seems similar to how Hamas got in power, by propaganda and sowing chaos.



As I stated in my post that you quoted, "Our government was founded on base with Christianity.....". I didn't say they were Christian, I only named certain Christian beliefs as part of the base on which it was founded. In reality, the Founders were of many religions, but they clearly tried as well as they could to stick with universally accepted ideas of what is 'good'. Anyways, I'm going off topic with this.....

Still in error. He was not elected by a majority. He was appointed.
 

Hamas: Government or Terrorist Organization?
Hamas: Government or Terrorist Organization? : NPR

You agreed that Hamas is a terrorist organization because the US and EU says so. To my view, I consider Hamas as a freedom fighter and would agree that they are an anti-Isreali. (I didn't know that Hamas was being created by Isreali until few minutes ago).

no.... that's not what I said. Read my post again. "If you resorted to suicide bombings and killing & kidnapping & beheading civilians/soldiers.... you are a terrorist."

what do you call the people who behead people, blow up in middle of busy shopping mall, kidnap people, and threaten to cause harm to population if their demand is not complied? sorry but that's not the way Freedom Fighter fights. It's cowardice.
 
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There're no comparsion between Hamas/Isreali with Al-Quaeda & USA because they are total different.

Hamas is an elected government of Palestine but Al-Quaeda? Al-Quaeda is not Government but the name of Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA, in USA.
What about Hamas before they were elected? What are they?

Well about Bush issues, the Americans realized their mistake to elect Bush in FIRST election is understandable but SECOND election? I thought Americans learn their mistake and won't elect Bush for second time but they doesn't... Mistake?
don't worry about it. it's your opinion that we made mistake but IMO - we did not make mistake. we simply voted on who we want to be our leader... that's all.

The problems between Hamas and Isreali for years... I doubt either it would be solution? But I hope the people realize what they elect right one, they can trust to... It's up to them either they want to vote Hamas out or not.
yea... hard to do that when "good leader" is being assassinated all the time. maybe it's by Mossad because Israel is not interested in sharing with Palestinian peacefully or maybe it's by Palestinian terrorist group. :dunno:
 
Still in error. He was not elected by a majority. He was appointed.

Um... you misread. "...elected by the majority elected ruler". The leader that was elected by the majority, elected/appointed Hitler.
 
Um... you misread. "...elected by the majority elected ruler". The leader that was elected by the majority, elected/appointed Hitler.

Nope, I didn't misread. Here it is again:

On January 30, 1933, President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor of Germany.

Hitler was not elected by a majority. He was appointed.
 
There is NO comparison between Hamas and Hitler.

But Hitler and Israel? Only time will tell.
Hamas says, "Death to the Jews!"

Hitler said, "Death to the Jews!"

Israel says, "Never again!"
 
She was trying to show that it was sarcasm?

Regardless, I don't feel like arguing with a brick wall tonight.
 
Hamas says, "Death to the Jews!"

Hitler said, "Death to the Jews!"

Israel says, "Never again!"

Source: The Middle East Conflict: Zionist Quotes

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."

-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."

-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."

-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"


-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.


"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."

-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.


"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."


-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....

-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000


"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."


-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."


-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
 
I just looked at monabaker.com, the source of that site.
Even though it has those quotes, the site's completely pro-Palestine.
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And what's your point?

The point is to show that Israel and its' politicians have had absolutely no regard for the Palestinians for decades.

Anything that attempts to point out Israel's disregard of the Palestinians is censored in today's media.
 
I'm not siding on either Pali or Israel at the moment, I remain neutral to the conflict until I can grasp the concept on my own better.

I'm just saying, it's better to my opinion in general not to cite sources from sites that are pro-one or the other side, because there is bias or some form of disambiguation in the format they're presenting information.. They're purposely trying to make Israeli look bad from their POV. You know what I'm saying, like watching FOX news as your primary source compared to some green peace third party organization over the controversy.
 
I'm not siding on either Pali or Israel at the moment, I remain neutral to the conflict until I can grasp the concept on my own better.

Believe me - you can't. Nobody can't. It is sad that Edward Said passed away 5 years ago. He was a very valuable asset for Palestine.
 
In fact as history repeats itself, the Arab nations have been in war against Israel for many decades. They despised Israel and wanted to wipe Israel out. That's what their war is all about. I am soo sure that China and Russia will follow in war against Israel, too - not yet, but it will come.
 
It's obvious that the Palestinian propaganda machine is alive and well. Look at how they've succeeded at AD.

It's very sad and disappointing. :(
 
I'm not siding on either Pali or Israel at the moment, I remain neutral to the conflict until I can grasp the concept on my own better.

I'm just saying, it's better to my opinion in general not to cite sources from sites that are pro-one or the other side, because there is bias or some form of disambiguation in the format they're presenting information.. They're purposely trying to make Israeli look bad from their POV. You know what I'm saying, like watching FOX news as your primary source compared to some green peace third party organization over the controversy.

That site basically listed quotes from newspapers and so forth. I did not take the time to read the site because I was looking specifically for quotes to balance Reba's claim of "Death to Jews" and show that Israel politicians feel similar about Palestinians.

I cannot find any quotes from their current prime minister that are as bad as past prime ministers. I have to give Ehud Olmert credit there. Otherwise, his predecessors weren't exactly shining beacons of light in this conflict.

However, this article stands out for an interesting quote.
http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/gaza-update-olmert-no-humanitarian-crisis/

Israel would not "allow a humanitarian crisis to be created in the Gaza Strip."

"We will help supply food and medicines like any enlightened and moral country must do," he said.

Oh really?
 
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