Is it ok to force deafies learn Oral while cant force hearing ppl learn ASL

Err ..umm, what's audist ?
 
Roadrunner, I am actually a hearing friend of Sweetmind's. She doesn't hate hearing people. She just doesn't like children being forced to do something like speak when they can't hear themselves. She also doesn't want Deaf Culture to disappear.
 
sr171soars said:
There is a current thread that gets into the meaning of the word audist. See this Link Update also see this thread URL=http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=26284]Audist[/URL]
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Good call soars. There is quit a bit of info in those threads to describe audism.
 
Ok, I got it and done readin'. Thanks, Soars & Linuxman.
 
Roadrunner, I am actually a hearing friend of Sweetmind's. She doesn't hate hearing people. She just doesn't like children being forced to do something like speak when they can't hear themselves. She also doesn't want Deaf Culture to disappear.
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She might be all that, but her attitude to some pple here is nasty,
and as I've pointed out in other threads the way she labels everyone who seem to be pro-oral or pro- Ci or anything that might not please her an Audist and the way she shoots off with verbal diarrhoea off subject - sorry but it's a big put- off to me, not encouraging to learn ASL let alone to join deaf culture.


Fuzzy
 
As for learning oral and learning ASL - I believe it should be two way street, families with deaf peeps should absolutely learn alphabet and signing as best as they can.
The deaf peeps will have an additional tool - oralism, to communicate with those who hardly ever come upon deaf people out there.

Fuzzy
 
First of all I like to say all moderators should be neutral and have no right to attack me for my freedom of speech with respect. After all you dont do anything about those people who namecalled, used bigotry remarks, and try to stop me from what I strongly believe in for Deaf children and forget those Deaf chlidren s "alternative" needs in my own true feelings. I m not going to keep my mouth shut forever as you want me to stop saying those "audism. AUDISM is NOT the term of being dirty or nasty or disrespectful words. And If it is not an "audist attitude" then what is it?

It is your issue not mine.. I should not have to stop because you said so. I feel like I am being treated like a child...dont say this or that..etc...That's even reminds of influences by audism people. You should be moderating others that need to be straightened up with their nasty attitudes and off the topics. It would be the "christian" thing to do.

And you are destroying his topic that is very good to ask the question. I agree with someone and add my true experiences it doesnt seem wrong for me to say. Sighs, my apologies to Casperman about this action that I have stated in my strength to tell the truth.

Other thing is that I do not want to say HEARING ITSELF that doesnt mean all of them are audism people if you mind.. I m only saying those audism people (that could be deaf or hearing) who have had done it for years and years up to today.

It hasnt been changing much, it seems like you don't even see the truth in Deaf community that I was involved with two jobs that relate to Deaf children/adults with or without multiple disabilities. They are having a very low self esteem or miserable for not having any communication with their parents in their home or at group homes. They are so lonely because they dont sign or know very very little signs. JEEZ! It doesnt have to be this way since they build this "barrier" to disabled people. They created an illusion that we disabled people are incapable to do anything, it s so ironic because hearing and deaf people happens to be incapable in some ways, too.

Thats why there is always ignorance and arrogance running through their blood. Of course,they are nowhere near as fully openminded as they claimed to be.

I want hearing people and whoever reading to know that doesnt mean I pointed at them if you mind.. I want them to see the reason why I said it many times.. I can see one of them who said he/she couldnt believe that the parents dont sign to their Deaf children. This is person who opened his/her eyes and realized it.. Thats how people learn from their mistakes or ignore our true struggles by audism people. It is hard for the kid who cannot hear or talk.

I am so grateful that I took my responsibility to have a good communication with my HEARING children in ASL because I do not want them to go through what I went through if you mind. Also I am so grateful hearing people with a positive attitude who were prepared to learn ASL before their båby is born. This baby is not deaf but hearing so tell me why the parents learn ASL? Why cant we deaf children have that too?


I have noticed that people do not let deaf people tell the truth about their experiences as a deaf oralist like myself. Just because they are friends with me or agree with me and my opinions...Though they never showed disrespect to others they were attacked...so share that quote with some of the other members who like to attack people based on friendships or similar opinions here because they need to hear it. You expect me to agree with everything you believe? I have too many experiences to just jump on your bandwagon so people will like me. Id rather the truth be heard. I would rather be deaf than use the devices and oraliam all the time...I have a freedom of choice.
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And also I am one woman team.

It s way too much overgeneralization of culturally egocentric hearing version. You were influeneced by audism. we all have a serious problem with ADA and our Deaf children that put them isolated or being separated from us Deaf people/Deaf community that seems it goes back to old days. You sit around and do nothing.. I cannot do it alone after all I m so sick of people s complaints about how they treat us deafies. So what can you do about it? I cannot do it alone and need to have more support to have our equal rights for all of us deafies. These Deaf children cannot even speak and they cant help it...They are smart. They shouldnt be left out and treated like failures due to no communication. That isnt fair! Also some Deaf children dont want to lipread because of the struggle no matter if they have devices...their choice...no more controlling! Deaf children have the right to use their hands and no one can stop them.


Thank you and, have a good life!
Sweetmind
 
Shame On You, Moderator!!!

Roadrunner said:
Please knock off the 'audist' attitude, 'audist' this and that....obviously this construes an act of not really wanting to 'bridge the gap' with hearing ppls. and deaf ppls. (even HoH as well) and not trying to help make the world a better place, it can't be done when coming down a bit harsh toward certain 'audist' folks, afterall, not all audist ppls. hold the same sort of attitude or have a degree of ignorance.

You have every right to express your feelings, yet, please leave the term 'audist' out, it really has no bearings whatsoever here in AD, we have quite a few 'hearing' members here in AD as well and bringing up that doesn't serve in the best interest for all our members here in AD. Surely you can bring up issues without having to have a 'put-down' on 'audist' this and that....it's tiring...I'm sure you're tired of many instances in your life, the experiences you've had along the way, but don't put a damper on 'others' who are hearing, who can speak, at least for the most part, a lot of them are willing to work along with one another to find that common ground we all can share and work together to make life a bit easier for everyone!

So please...reconsider how you bring such issues up here in AD!

Thank you and now, you have a nice day--!! :)


~RR
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SHAME ON YOU! IT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH! I WILL SAY "AUDIST" ONE MILLION TIMES. THE MORE IT IS SAID, IT WILL THEN ENTER IN DICTIONARY. :deaf:
 
Oralism Is Fake!

Audiofuzzy said:
As for learning oral and learning ASL - I believe it should be two way street, families with deaf peeps should absolutely learn alphabet and signing as best as they can.
The deaf peeps will have an additional tool - oralism, to communicate with those who hardly ever come upon deaf people out there.

Fuzzy
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Oralism is a false facade for audism! :deal:
 
Sweetmind: I am on your side - screw them!

Hey Sweetmind! I am on your side. Screw them!

Be bold and continue using that term - audism!

Smiles

:deaf:
 
Where's the BAN smiley?

I can spout off insults to Sweetmind but I don't because I respect and follow the AD member rules. I don't know how she's still a member here when she insults oralism and the hearing people.

Roadrunner, we support you.
 
My, my, my...what tempers and indignation!

What part of RR's statement about "no bashing, no flames and no harassing" did you not understand?

RR said it succinctly and straight to the point and as a moderator he has the right to point this out. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. There are stipulations (about what you can and can't do) that you agree to when joining AD and it specifically points out what RR warned against.

You can have your insular world that is a dead end. The rest of us are working on building better relationships.
 
Sweetmind said:
First of all I like to say all moderators should be neutral and have no right to attack me for my freedom of speech with respect. After all you dont do anything about those people who namecalled, used bigotry remarks, and try to stop me from what I strongly believe in for Deaf children and forget those Deaf chlidren s "alternative" needs in my own true feelings. I m not going to keep my mouth shut forever as you want me to stop saying those "audism. AUDISM is NOT the term of being dirty or nasty or disrespectful words. And If it is not an "audist attitude" then what is it?

It is your issue not mine.. I should not have to stop because you said so. I feel like I am being treated like a child...dont say this or that..etc...That's even reminds of influences by audism people. You should be moderating others that need to be straightened up with their nasty attitudes and off the topics. It would be the "christian" thing to do.

And you are destroying his topic that is very good to ask the question. I agree with someone and add my true experiences it doesnt seem wrong for me to say. Sighs, my apologies to Casperman about this action that I have stated in my strength to tell the truth.

Other thing is that I do not want to say HEARING ITSELF that doesnt mean all of them are audism people if you mind.. I m only saying those audism people (that could be deaf or hearing) who have had done it for years and years up to today.

It hasnt been changing much, it seems like you don't even see the truth in Deaf community that I was involved with two jobs that relate to Deaf children/adults with or without multiple disabilities. They are having a very low self esteem or miserable for not having any communication with their parents in their home or at group homes. They are so lonely because they dont sign or know very very little signs. JEEZ! It doesnt have to be this way since they build this "barrier" to disabled people. They created an illusion that we disabled people are incapable to do anything, it s so ironic because hearing and deaf people happens to be incapable in some ways, too.

Thats why there is always ignorance and arrogance running through their blood. Of course,they are nowhere near as fully openminded as they claimed to be.

I want hearing people and whoever reading to know that doesnt mean I pointed at them if you mind.. I want them to see the reason why I said it many times.. I can see one of them who said he/she couldnt believe that the parents dont sign to their Deaf children. This is person who opened his/her eyes and realized it.. Thats how people learn from their mistakes or ignore our true struggles by audism people. It is hard for the kid who cannot hear or talk.

I am so grateful that I took my responsibility to have a good communication with my HEARING children in ASL because I do not want them to go through what I went through if you mind. Also I am so grateful hearing people with a positive attitude who were prepared to learn ASL before their båby is born. This baby is not deaf but hearing so tell me why the parents learn ASL? Why cant we deaf children have that too?



And also I am one woman team.

It s way too much overgeneralization of culturally egocentric hearing version. You were influeneced by audism. we all have a serious problem with ADA and our Deaf children that put them isolated or being separated from us Deaf people/Deaf community that seems it goes back to old days. You sit around and do nothing.. I cannot do it alone after all I m so sick of people s complaints about how they treat us deafies. So what can you do about it? I cannot do it alone and need to have more support to have our equal rights for all of us deafies. These Deaf children cannot even speak and they cant help it...They are smart. They shouldnt be left out and treated like failures due to no communication. That isnt fair! Also some Deaf children dont want to lipread because of the struggle no matter if they have devices...their choice...no more controlling! Deaf children have the right to use their hands and no one can stop them.


Thank you and, have a good life!
Sweetmind
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I can see your point in that awareness will invoke change. I have said in other posts that I think the deaf community should have some leadership and a common goal. That goal IMO should be awareness and education about deaf issues. In order to succeed, that leadership has to be objective and open to all aspects of the deaf condition. Not just ASL, SE, HA, CI or oral but an openess to all including consideration for the psycological imipact that isolation has on a person. The leadership shouold promote education on all of these things and support freedom of choice as to which method an individual chooses. The goal is to reduce the audism through education and awareness. As far as parents making decisions for their children, I would imagine that this education and awareness would weigh into that. I agree that the medical community will be bias towards medical devices and technology and could sway a parents decision but general awareness will provide them more opportunities to factor in the deaf issues. I am not disagreeing with you Sweetmind, I'm just offering my take on this. As far as choosing words, as long as the discussion remains respectful you should be free to choose whatever word you like. I served this country for our freedoms. The last thing I want is someone trampling on my rights to freedom of speech.
 
AD is basically private property--Alex's website--and you are like guests in his home. The First Amendment doesn't really apply within the confines of somebody's home, nor does it apply in a forum, because both are private property and the government can't trample on the owner's right to control it. Alex can set whatever ground rules he wants and the mods have every right to enforce them whether or not you agree with them.

Example: if you grow up in a home where you don't take your shoes off when you enter, but you go over to the house of someone who DOES require everyone to take their shoes off, what do you do? You take off your shoes even if you think it's stupid. Same thing when it comes to following rules in a forum. Either you do it or if you think the rule is so stupid or improper that you won't compromise on it, you leave.
 
Rose Immortal said:
AD is basically private property--Alex's website--and you are like guests in his home. The First Amendment doesn't really apply within the confines of somebody's home, nor does it apply in a forum, because both are private property and the government can't trample on the owner's right to control it. Alex can set whatever ground rules he wants and the mods have every right to enforce them whether or not you agree with them.

Example: if you grow up in a home where you don't take your shoes off when you enter, but you go over to the house of someone who DOES require everyone to take their shoes off, what do you do? You take off your shoes even if you think it's stupid. Same thing when it comes to following rules in a forum. Either you do it or if you think the rule is so stupid or improper that you won't compromise on it, you leave.
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I'm sorry, but I don't agree that this is like someone's home... You are right in that the owners can set the rules. But in a true open forum you don't want to take away that openness. Otherwise you will lose membership to sites that allow for freedome of speach. IMO. Being disrespectful and threatening or harrassing others is a completly different issue. I am talking about the freedom to choose your words as long as you remain respectful to others. And if someone is lashing back at another for their not being respectful, then there should be consideration for that. After we are humans and our knee jerk response to insults would be to fire back. If you want a site that limits your freedoms and your ability to react as a human, then you really don't have an open forum.
 
I hope my post make sense. Please answer if you agree to disagree with me...


Deaf parents send their deaf children to oral school because deaf parents expose their children with sign language.

Hearing parents send their deaf children to deaf school because deaf children need to learn where they come from and hearing parents need to learn sign and train their deaf children with speak sometimes.

If I have deaf children then I would send my deaf children to deaf school including speech therapy. I know what I'm saying because my hubby went to oral school. He told me that it's stress for him to consider teacher's lip all the time to "neglect" his education. If I want to learn something, it's easy for me to understand and learn quickly what my teacher sign to us.

The same school, my hubby went turn into deaf school. They are able sign now. The hearing parents of deaf children protest. We have separate school for deaf and hard of hearing here in Germany. It's parent's decision if they want oral school then put them to hard of hearing school.
 
rockdrummer said:
I'm sorry, but I don't agree that this is like someone's home... You are right in that the owners can set the rules. But in a true open forum you don't want to take away that openness. Otherwise you will lose membership to sites that allow for freedome of speach. IMO. Being disrespectful and threatening or harrassing others is a completly different issue. I am talking about the freedom to choose your words as long as you remain respectful to others. And if someone is lashing back at another for their not being respectful, then there should be consideration for that. After we are humans and our knee jerk response to insults would be to fire back. If you want a site that limits your freedoms and your ability to react as a human, then you really don't have an open forum.
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And in that case there's the choice to go somewhere else. I'm not saying what policies I do and don't disagree with, but simply that the admin has the right to decide and it's the choice of a person posting to either deal with the rules or leave. I've left forums both for being too restrictive AND for being too open, but I recognized that it was my own value judgment and I had no right to tell the admin what to do, nor to insult or harass the posters who liked things the way they were. I have my ideas about how I like things, but I don't want to push them on anybody. If I do hit my limits, I just leave quietly.
 
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